for Truman and everyone else who wants it

[sean madison]

The SVCD-x Guide will be what i will call for right now, pre-finished by tomorrow.

It will be done for u to encode anything, dvd-rip\ts\cam\scr\tc\dvd-scr\capture-- but one thing though-

Due to the small amount of time i have had to test this guide to encode dvd rips, as of right now, all movies if over either 80 or 90 min, wont find out til tomorrow, will be put on 2 cds.

Each cd will be able to hold approx 80-90 min in svcd standard compliancy for dvd players only.

The last resort though for me to finsih testing by tomorrow to put a whole movie from dvd rip(dvds are only thing right now that still needs testing;that is dvd rips, not dvd-scr or capture from dvd) is to rip to avi. I know u might think u will be losing quality, but actually of course u are but it still looks VERY good indeed.

The guide is right now made in 5 pgs, but since i gottta add some dvd rip part to it and some more later on, it might be around 7 pgs.

The guide is filled with information.

What is diff between vcd-x and svcd-x
How to encode in svcd-x
what are advantages of vcd-x vs svcd-x
FAQ and Troubleshooting
and a couple more topics.

Anyone who wants it, reply here and tell me how u want it, via email or via AIM or msn.

[sue denim]

Hi !

If you could send a copy to my email address, that would be great!

Well done and thanks from everyone for putting in the time to get this guide together .....

Laters,

Sue xxx

[adam]

sean I would just like to know how SVCD-X is any different from SVCD.

[mr_seth_enslow]

Could you email me one too?

Sounds like you're setting yourself up for a lot of work though... Why don't you just post it on the net somewhere?

[sean madison]

ITs finished!!!!!!!!!!!

Flood AIM my IMing me on aim at --- shizzzon and request it!!!

Adam, its different in this aspect-

The bitrate is of course lower than 2520 bt i know that doesnt take it out of standard.

The audio bitrate is lower but for some reason, nero only accepts it as standard if it was 224 before.
If it works for you, also, there are little tricks to use to help quality stay on its high at very low bitrates.

Truman is gonna be testin it out so let him or anyone else give feedback on this guide after using it

[vitualis]

The bitrate is of course lower than 2520 bt i know that doesnt take it out of standard.

The audio bitrate is lower but for some reason, nero only accepts it as standard if it was 224 before.

Sean, adam's question still stands. How exactly is your "SVCD-X" different from standard SVCD? The audio bitrate on a SVCD is flexible: http://www.vcdhelp.com/svcd.htm

Just because Nero doesn't know this does mean that a lower audio bitrate is "non-standard".

Regards.

[sean madison]

yea but look at it from my point of view
NTSC film is standard but nero rejects it u know

This is how i look at it.
Most people i believe use nero to burn.
If nero rejects, why waste the time?

I dont use any other prog than nero anyway so thats why i made the guide.

it also has tips and tricks to keep the quality lookin good at low bitrates cuz before, i was havin a hellacious time doin that.

[vitualis]

Why don't you call it "Sean's SVCD template" rather than SVCD-X then?

As I stated before many times, Nero is not a particular good S/VCD authoring proggy and as far as I can tell, your settings are just standard SVCD, regardless of what Nero thinks.

Regards.

[sean madison]

indeed, u are mostly correct but in this temp, u gotta remux, not for sure yet if thats necessary but as far as i can tell, it drops file size by around 12 mb in same quality by doin it this way.

I just dubbed in svcd-x cuz it plays as its standard(cuz standard only svcd dvd players play it and not my xsvcds) but its not non standard.

So i just moved the "x" to the end

[vitualis]

How is it "non-standard"??

If it is non-standard, then it will be an XSVCD.

However, nothing you have posted would suggest to me that your template/method is creating anything other than a standard SVCD.

Regards.

[sean madison]

this is confusing i know.

OK let me ask u this so i might be able to help u out here.

How would u be able to make an xsvcd if the res was 480x480?
What settings would have to change if res was 480x480?

[vitualis]

BTW, I hope you realise that Nero remuxes/pads video streams that aren't correctly muxed or have the wrong pack size.

Thus, if you get a reduction in file size (which would suggest to me that your pack size is now wrong), Nero will simply bump back up the file size (may be even more) when you import the file...

If your file is correctly muxed in the first place, there is no need to remux it. If you need to remux, I strongly recommend you using bbMPEG as it is probably one of the few that does it correctly.

Regards.

[sean madison]

ok, when i remux, it drops file size down 3 mb. if i used svcd mpeg2 stream all the way thru, the file size vs program vbr would be 9 mb larger

Yes, when i go to burn a file in nero, the file does bump up around 10 mb

[vitualis]

How would u be able to make an xsvcd if the res was 480x480?
What settings would have to change if res was 480x480?

Read this: http://www.vcdhelp.com/svcd.htm and change a setting other than framesize outside the standard (e.g., a bitrate of 3000 kbit/s would constitute an XSVCD).

Regards.

[sean madison]

so its anything above 2520 right? and anything lower than 2520 is still standard and not considered xsvcd? am i correct on that?

[vitualis]

so its anything above 2520 right? and anything lower than 2520 is still standard and not considered xsvcd? am i correct on that?

I'm not entirely sure of the exact number of the upper limit (for the combined video+audio rate) but if you go above it (i.e., > 2x CD speed), it is XSVCD.

Anything lower than that is not considered XSVCD and you are well within in realm of standard SVCD. Remember, SVCD can use VBR MPEG-2 and the average bitrate can be anything you want as long as it is less than the maximum.

Regards.

[sean madison]

OH ok. hmm, well then, in saying that, i'd say yes, it's still REAL standard but just holds more than mentioned 35-60 min of video.

I have successfully encoded an 84 min clip onto 1 cd in incredible quality and im sure it can be more.

well, thanks for info. Still in standard, thats for sure, hehe

[davidc78]

a guide would be great thanks man!!!
ericdraven@looksmartcomau

[Bud]

Ran your Templates on a 100 Min movie (Rangers) from original; DVD, it came out outstanding as far as I’m concerned, ONE 80 Min CD and a 100 min movie. I do a lot of traveling and now I only have to carry one CD, not two or three, I still had a lot of space for move movie, I used a Panasonic Portable LV55 to view and again it looks great for me, also tried a Capture AVI file and the same result. I just wish the other guy that brags about his format would put the templates out instead of just talking, you have proved your point the other guy has not...he keeps talking about tomorrow...have not seen anything yet...... great work.

Bud

[kitty]

2 things:

1) If you are hating nero then, as a test, try TSCV which uses VCDimager and CDRDAO - you can probably tell them not to touch the MPEG as far as padding/conversion

2) Have Baldrick post the template on VCDhelp or get a Geocities/freebie site to post on the web?

Da Kitty

[Bud]

Added note....I did not have to run the remux process, I just unclicked the Nero VCD calpliant and burned it our, played with NO PROBLEMS, CLEAN.......I would suggest that some of you try this set up, I would like to see some SVCD templates that would allow for more time per CD, until then I will use these.........sean madison would you post your Templates so we all can test them, you talked a lot about the process but have not produced anything yet, would very much like to test any and all templates to get good end results.

Bud

[d4n13l]

So, after all the chaos that has surrounded this so called SVCD-X, most movies over 80-90 mins will *still* be better of on two CDRs. And most people will even put an 80-90 minute movie on two CDRs because the quality would be so much better anyway. Using 2 CDRs will effectively allow you to double the bitrate.
~1000kbps Vs ~2000Kbps is a no contest in terms of quality, especially if you watch your films on a TV and standalone player.
All along the same can be still be said for SVCD-X - You can fit more video onto one CDR by sacrificing the overall quality.
Nothing new has been achieved.

[Bud]

I think sacrificing the overall quality as you put it is in the eye of the beholder; my only point was to state that FOR ME, let me repeat that FOR ME, viewing the movie on a POTABLE DVD PLAYER (UNDER 7" SCREEN, and I did say portable) is perfect for me. Traveling around the world as I do, I now have the option to view what I want when I want if the only way to go. We are all free to process our DVD/VCD/SVCD/VHS/DVHS/SVHS in any format that suits your taste you are not obligated to do it any other way but the way that fits your requirements.

Bud

[d4n13l]

Bud,
you misunderstood me. My point was, that sean first said his "new format" that would fit any movie onto one CDR with "great quality". Now he is changing what he intially said.
I realise that quality is subjective, I am not trying to argue that *everybody* should use a high bitrate. I am just pointing out the fact that all the fuss surrounding this SVCD-X, was totally pointless. What we are now being told is what most people have known all along.
If you find using a lower bitrate still gives you acceptable quality, thats your choice. However, when someone tries to sell a template (though not anymore I gladly can say ), promising that you can fit any movie onto one CDR and have identical or near identical quality to video using twice as much bitrate, that is totally misleading.
If sean didnt create that thread all those weeks ago and instead posted something similar to this thread, when he actually had sorted everything out, then all the fuss could have been avoided. In my opinion, what he is saying now is more believable and acceptable. However, what he initially said was total crap. I have no ill feelings towards the kid, he seems to have a better understanding of things now. It is just a shame that this whole debacle started out in the first place.

[Bud]

We are in agreement on the Sean thing, I am just glad someone put something up that we all could test, don’t worry about my statements, as with you whatever format is used is up to us, I do use the better SVCD formats for home use, the travel thing works great for me, that way I don’t have to carry around a box of CD’s, traveling is bad enough without more hassle of getting large amounts of CD through the check points…I am open to more suggestion on getting as much as possible on the CD without losing to much………

Bud

[sean madison]

hey d4n13l, if u wanna see the quality of a 32 sec clip i did of the making of x-men, feel free to IM me on AIM at -- shizzzon

I used min 700 max1200 quality 58, this clip was tested to fit an 84 min movie on 1 80 min cd in svcd.

Now for your eyes, if u wanna see it, just im me ok.
The file size is 5.05 mb upload is ave of 26 kb\sec

The only reason why anyone would want to put a movie onto 1 cd (under 110 min) is convenience.

Now, even svcd dvdrips online, i dont burn those as is. too many discs
I like the quality they are in after i encode em and thats just me, thats why i want other people to see this clip so they an decide whats good for them.

[d4n13l]

Thanks for the offer, but I rarely encode anything less than a bitrate of ~1500kbps. I dont mind having to use 2 CDRs, I would rather watch video with double the bitrate. However, I can see the benefits of having a movie on one CDR: I have South Park the Movie on one CDR, that is the only film that I have found acceptable quality on one CDR. The movie is only like 80 mins long though anyway.
I have tried getting 90min films on one CDR but the quality is no way near of that if I use two CDRs for it, so I just weigh up the pros and cons and always come to the conclusion that I would rather have 2CDRs and double the bitrate to watch .

[bigleen]

can u send me a guide please...i wanna see what kind of quality i can get with a 95min film...im not to bothered about the quality being to good...i just want to see if it will work on my dvd player without any hitches..thanks alot...

[dandydon]

May I have a copy of your guide please, relatively new to this and want to experiment with other formats, thanks

DD

[DrJ079]

I'd like the guide. My email address is jason079@mindspring.com.

Thanks!!