HD-DVD on BD Disk in an HD-DVD Player

[wulf109]

If you burn HD-DVD content on a BD disk using ImageBurn would it play in an HD-DVD player? Are the disks and lasers incompatible?

[festmaster]

No, it won't work. Blu-Ray disks and HD-DVD disks are substantially different. You can put HD-DVD content on a DVD-R (limit about 45 minutes) that will play fine. However, the only program I know that authors HD-DVD on DVD-R is Ulead, which only plays nice with MPEG-2 content. Most HD-DVD's were authored with VC-1. So you would need to find a VC-1 to MPEG-2 transcoder, which I don't think exists and I don't think anyone really wants as VC-1 does not seem to be a codec for the future.

I have future-proofed my HD-DVD collection with the WDTV and portable hard drives. It is a nice little device.

[Nelson37]

I have had limited and partial success using H264 on a DVD (both SL and DL) with AC3 audio, authored by the Ulead program.

It authored and played without re-conversion, however the audio showed a gradually increasing de-synch.

Further experiments showed I could play the EVO files directly, but I could not find a software player which would play the disks at all. H264 video file, pre-authoring, would play just fine.

I concluded that even if I solved the audio problem, the lack of a software player and the death of HD-DVD hardware made this a dead end.

XBOX360 or PS3-compatible h264 files would seem to be the way to go, or a blu-ray player.

[jman98]

It is possible to encode VC-1 rips to MPEG-2 with HCenc. I have made HD DVD discs on DVD-9 using this method and they played fine on my Toshiba HD DVD player.

I'm not enthused about Ulead's DVD MovieFactory 6 product. There's an old version of Scenarist not made any more that supported producing HD DVD content. It's very similar to their DVD authoring solution, so if you know how to use it then it provides an alternative to Ulead. HD DVD is a dead format and since I got a WDTV player like festmaster, I no longer have a need to create my own HD DVDs. The only reason I made some was that at the time it was the only solution I had to be able to watch high def content on my TV.

[ron spencer]

there are many guides to convert hd dvd to blu ray...even vc-1...they work

[MOVIEGEEK]

there are many guides to convert hd dvd to blu ray...even vc-1...they work

The OP wants to put the HD DVD structure on a Blu-ray disc which won't work.HD DVD and Blu-ray both support the same codecs(VC-1 and AVC) but they are authored differently.If you put a BD-R in a BD player it searches for files in BDMV,HD DVD puts files in HVDVD_TS.HD DVD players will give an error if you try to play a BD-R so your only option is reducing the movie and burning it on a DVDR or DL.

[wulf109]

I've been converting my HD-DVD to BlueRay with TSremuxer and Ripbot. Some HD-DVD movies come with two EVO files that are each less than 8GB's,Tremors and Robin Hood are examples of this. I converted each EVO to BD and to a DVD+DL and put the movie on two DL disks at full bitrate. Others I've converted with Ripbot or BD Rebuilder to DVD-DL,but they are both painfully slow,12-14 hours on a 3.6GHz C2D.
I guess there's no "easy" way to author HD-DVD,thanks for all the input.

[wulf109]

I burned an HD-DVD movie to BD-RE disk and it did not play in my HD-DVD player,Toshiba HD-A20,no surprise. It will play in my computer. PowerDVD 7.3 plays it like a normal HD-DVD. I guess compliance is not a problem on software players. FYI

[videopoo]

I burned an HD-DVD movie to BD-RE disk and it did play in my HD-DVD player,Toshiba HD-A20,no surprise. It will play in my computer. PowerDVD 7.3 plays it like a normal HD-DVD. I guess compliance is not a problem on software players. FYI

Really?...I find that hard to believe!

[[_chef_]]

It sometimes does work.

But BLUE ray does not exist!

[turk690]

I suppose, with enough panache, one can take an HD DVD movie, demux and get back the original streams, re-author a BD with them, and the result will play in a BD player. And vice-versa (for those still gaga over HD DVD for some reason) and play on an HD DVD player. But wulf109's original post did ask a fundamental question "are the disks and lasers compatible?". The disks are NOT physically compatible. The lasers are, up to a point. An original or correctly authored BD movie WILL NOT play in an HD DVD player and vice-versa, unless that player or drive is specifically designed to accept both.
To address a related dodah, it's possible to put a BD movie structure on a recordable HD DVD, or an HD DVD movie structure on a recordable BD, but none of the results will play in any set-top. Probably in the PC with an appropriate HD DVD or BD drive for the specific disc, where both can be treated as DVD-ROMs and folders accessed by PowerDVD, etc.

[jman98]

I burned an HD-DVD movie to BD-RE disk and it did play in my HD-DVD player,Toshiba HD-A20,no surprise. It will play in my computer. PowerDVD 7.3 plays it like a normal HD-DVD. I guess compliance is not a problem on software players. FYI

Really?...I find that hard to believe!

I do too. I'm wondering if wulf109 made a typo, so to speak, and left out the word "not". The above makes sense if it says that the Toshiba HD-A20 would NOT play the disc, but PowerDVD would. I would completely expect that to be true.
The Toshiba should NOT recognize BD-RE media, but a software program might not be picky about the media and might simply go, "Hmm, here's a disc type I recognize and a format I recognize, so I will play it".

[wulf109]

Correct,typo I left out the word not.

[dtrell]

If you burn HD-DVD content on a BD disk using ImageBurn would it play in an HD-DVD player? Are the disks and lasers incompatible?

if you are only interested in the main movie, use TSMuxer and load in the main movie .evo files. then select "blu ray disc" in TsRemuxer to convert to bluray format. then burn it with imgburn. i did this using Apollo 13 HDDVD. i ripped it to the HD, and picked the two obvious main movie files, used "append"in tsremuxer, then it converted it. everything worked fine and i can play apollo 13 on my bluray player. the only thing is, i think the latest tsremuxer still have problems with some HD audio formats, and the disc has DD+ on the original, it showed that it was decoding it as DD+, but when i play it on my buray player it only plays the core AC3. and my player supposedly will decode DD+.

[ocgw]

If you burn HD-DVD content on a BD disk using ImageBurn would it play in an HD-DVD player? Are the disks and lasers incompatible?

if you are only interested in the main movie, use TSMuxer and load in the main movie .evo files. then select "blu ray disc" in TsRemuxer to convert to bluray format. then burn it with imgburn. i did this using Apollo 13 HDDVD. i ripped it to the HD, and picked the two obvious main movie files, used "append"in tsremuxer, then it converted it. everything worked fine and i can play apollo 13 on my bluray player. the only thing is, i think the latest tsremuxer still have problems with some HD audio formats, and the disc has DD+ on the original, it showed that it was decoding it as DD+, but when i play it on my buray player it only plays the core AC3. and my player supposedly will decode DD+.

The HD audio issue is fixed in TsRemux version 1.8.18

ocgw

peace