Authoring a Serie ...

[ToW]

Hey , I have a serie , I used DVDShrink to cut it to 7 pieces (7 epsisods) And I've add my subtitles .

Now I want to re-join all those espisods into 1 DVD with the original menus ..

I tried with Vob-Blanker, but without success ...

I'll be rally happy if someone could help me :]


Thanks !

[manono]

Hi-

If all the episodes are in the same PGC in the same VTS in the original DVD, then your mistake was splitting the episodes. What you should have done instead was join the subtitle files into one, and then add that into the video. I don't know if it's too late for you or not. I suspect you can import the various episodes using PGCEdit, but you'll need to make an awful lot of menu navigation changes to get the menus to work again. Better, I think, will be to start over after joining the separate subtitle files into one.

[ToW]

Ok , Thanks for the advise ,

But , joining 7 subtitles ? why?

Until now , with normal movies , I used Vob-Blanker at the end to keep the original menus (Replaced the main movie with the authored)

I thought it might work here also ..but replacing each episode with the reauthored one ...

It's like a normal DVD-R movie , But with DVD-Shrink I can split each movie to another folder , where I demux , adding subs , and remux...

I think I can burn with nero vision or something , and recreating a lame menu , but it's my last option (also because I think I would have to select the correct subtitle with the remote control)

Thanks !

[manono]

But , joining 7 subtitles ? why?

Well, obviously because you can't stick the individual episodes back into the DVD using VobBlanker.

I don't have the DVD; you do. I'm assuming, on pretty good evidence, that you have all the episodes in one big PGC in the same VTS. Tell me if I'm wrong. So, you can replace the PGC (all episodes together), or in the Cells section, you can replace the individual cells (chapters). Nowhere can you replace episodes. Therefore, it stands to reason if you want to do any replacing, you had better keep the episodes all together.

[ToW]

Yes...all the episods are on the same VTS , And when I'm using DVD-Shrink , I can split it to 7 different "movies" , one per episode ...

I was wondering if DVD-Shrink don't had an option for "un-split" after I have all the episods with subtitles...

If I can't do it that way , how can I do it in another way , with keeping menus ?

Many thanks !

[ToW]

Little bump...still need help to keep menus and add subtitles :S

[guns1inger]

Why are you splitting it ?

[lordsmurf]

Just re-author it. Make your own menus that are similar.

[manono]

Why are you splitting it ?

He's splitting it because he got the subs from somewhere, and they are for each episode. As I mentioned, the only possible way to use VobBlanker for the replacing job is to get everything back to the way it is on the original DVD, and that's to have all the episodes joined together as one. Which means joining the subs. It'll take some time to do, but in principle it's not very hard. You just have to know the length of each episode (which shouldn't be hard to find out, since he already has each episode separately), so he can adjust the timings of all the subs after the ones for the first episode.

Otherwise the only option that I can see is to take lordsmurf's advice and reauthor it, perhaps using screenshots of the current menus in the new menus.

[Bjs]

I wouldn't rely on dvdshrink when it comes to "clipping" , it causes problems for audio when joining .

Simple :

Do the "vobedit" join trick
Followed by the ifoedits "create ifo's" ... and fix issues
Then load up original in vobblanker , and zap replace main title with new title.
Pgcedit to fix pointers and nav commands related to added subtitles .

The question finally comes down to how the ??? are you going control the subtitle display .

A: Via remote = ok (default dvd nav = no display)
B: Added menu = more work required .

[ToW]

Ok...

lordsmurf - Ok , but how ? :P

manono - If I do it in your way , I would have to serch each episode start time and play it like that ? (making all of this to one big "movie" ?)

Bjs - Thanks for the advise , but I failed to do the first step :P I'd like to know how to do it :]


I think via remote it's still ok , only if plan B is very hard to do .
I just want a menu where I can select the episode I want , with subtitles , it's only a little bonus I guess....

Thanks !

[manono]

manono - If I do it in your way , I would have to serch each episode start time and play it like that ? (making all of this to one big "movie" ?)

You haven't said what format the subs are in (SRT?), or what format you want them in ultimately (SUP?). But you should already have the information you need, the length of each episode. If each episode is 25 minutes long, add 25 minutes to the start time of the 2nd episode, 50 minutes to the start time of the 3rd episode, 75 minutes ...

When all done adjusting the start times, join all the subs. I would do the whole thing in SubStation Alpha, using subs in SSA format, but I suppose there are other ways. For more precise time adjustments, I might make a quick AVI of the entire video and play it with the subs to check the timings, and see if they needed further adjusting. There are other ways to do that as well. When satisfied that the joined subs were good, I would load them into MaestroSBT to make an SST sub file, which I can load into Muxman. When done authoring, I would replace the old DVD with the new one with subs using VobBlanker.

That's just one way to accomplish what you want. There are others as well.

[guns1inger]

Subtitle workshop can also join subtitles and add the offsets. I have used this to join subs from 2-disc movies.

[ToW]

OK , I can join the subs , and make them as one SUP file .

The question is - I could select episods or all the episods would be stick like one big movie ?

I think I'll do it with Subtitle Workshop , because I did it in the past there so it's not too complicated :P

Thanks :]

[guns1inger]

I could select episods (sic) or all the episods (sic) would be stick like one big movie

It's all in how oyu author. Chapter playlists and careful chaptering will let you play these as you want to.

[lordsmurf]

How?

VirtualDub for screen shots of menus.
DVD Decrypter in IFO mode for some audio/video pieces.
Maybe an NLE to re-assemble everything.
Photoshop for still images.
DVD authoring software for assembly of the aforementioned assets.

[manono]

The question is - I could select episods or all the episods would be stick like one big movie ?

If you are successful in using VobBlanker to do the replace, it'll work just like it did originally. Typically you'll have a "Play All" where they'll play one-after-the-other, like a movie. You'll also be able to choose one episode to play, returning to the menu after the episode. And you should also have a chapter menu for each episode, in case you want to start in the middle of an episode. Whatever it could do before, you should be able to do afterwards. I'm assuming you load the celltimes.txt (or have some other way of getting the original chapter points) when using Muxman (or some other authoring program), so you have all the cells (chapters).

[ToW]

When I play the last episod , the timeline will show 1:25:30 (exapmle) or it'll start from 0 and end at 25 (don't know exactly) .

When I select an episod from the menu , I'll get the subtitle as well ? or I'll see again the subtitles from the first episode ?

Thanks

[manono]

I've seen it both ways - where the last episode will start at 1:25:30 (to use your example), or start at 00:00. It doesn't make much difference, though, as long as it plays correctly and you get the subs.

If you choose to play an episode - any episode - and if you joined the subs together correctly, then you'll get the subs for that episode. You said you already joined the subs together, didn't you? So you could just go ahead and author the episodes and do the replace in VobBlanker and check it out.

[ToW]

Ok , I'll do it and come back with an answer , Thanks !

[ToW]

I'm an idiot :\

Just saw that the original subtitles are only 1 file with all the wpisods on it :\

I think I should have done what I always do with the movies...

I'll edit with the final answer...


Edit : I joined the subtitles , but it's not really syncronized...I think It'll be better if I do the re-joining of the subtitles I already have sybcronized for each episode(one by one) But I'm with 7 *.SUP files and I can't convert it with SubtitleCreator (don't know why I can't , But I can't :P ) any other way ? :\


Edit#2 : I tried again but in SubtitleCreator I selected a link on any start time of an episod and the end time of the episod...not working :\

Don't know how to do it right :\

Thanks for your help...

[manono]

Are you asking me? I had already retired from this thread, as I had already explained how I would do it. You never said in what format the original subs were, and I was assuming some sort of text format, such as SRT or SSA. Now for some reason you're saying all you have available is SUP format subs, so I don't know. SubtitleCreator can instantly convert SUP to IDX/SUB format subs. They can either be delayed directly, or OCR'd to some text based format. If you delay the IDX where they're out of synch, then IDX/SUB can be converted back to SUP either in SubtitleCreator, or with the use of Sub2SUP.

[ToW]

Well , I don't have the original subs in the language I need , But when I split it to 7 different episods , I syncronized each chapter separately and saved it as .SUP files (with SubtitleCreator) .

I managed to join the subtitles I already have , But it is not sybcronized well even after I select syncronizing link at the start&end of each episode...

We can say the problem now is syncronizing , But if I can't do it , the problem is now how to turn those SUP's to SRT , because I'm not able to comlete the proccess in SubtitleCreator ..

I hope you understand ,

Thanks a lot :]

[manono]

You can't OCR a SUP file. However, you can easily convert SUP to IDX/SUB in SubtitleCreator (Tools->Manipulate SUP or VobSub) and then OCR the resulting IDX/SUB. I still don't understand, though:

Well , I don't have the original subs in the language I need , But when I split it to 7 different episods , I syncronized each chapter separately and saved it as .SUP files (with SubtitleCreator) .

Are you saying the language you want is in the original DVD? If so, why split the thing in the first place (back to guns1inger's question a while back). And if you're not saying the subs were in the original retail DVD but that you got the subs from somewhere else, then they sure as heck weren't in SUP format.

[ToW]

No no , I have SRT subtitles , from somewhere else ...
But - when I did that split , I had each episode in a different "movie" so the syncronizing was good I guess...

Now I have 1 subtitle (SRT) file , with all 7 episods on it , and I can't sync it correctly , I don't know how ...I did with a link for syncronizing at strating and ending subtitles (as I said on a previus post) But it just don't syncronizing as I need...

I don't know what to do or how... :\

Cheers

[manono]

Well, I already told you I use SubStation Alpha for joining and synching, although there are other ways. You can open a Mono 8-bit 11,025 Hz WAV file in SSA to synch the dialog with the audio. I also said I sometimes make a quick AVI and play it with the subs, and resynch and test them against the AVI of the video. Again, there are other ways to do this. But the way I do it works for me. I've been doing a lot of synching recently, and it's just not that hard. Maybe someone else will come along and explain other methods of synching subtitles using SubtitleCreator, Subtitle Workshop, or something else.

[ToW]

I know to use SubtitleCreator and Subtitle Workshop , so I'll try it on one of them with a quick avi convert etc...

Will edit later..Thanks !

[ToW]

I did an AVI file ...I joined all 7 subtitles to 1 file , but it is still too hard ..

I can't syncronize it at all...

I have no idea how to do it rigt :'(