Hello people, I am lately trying to convert some *.mov files to *.avi. I tried few convert programs like Xilisoft MOV converter, MOVconverter, WinAVI Video converter and that's all I think. Right now I am using WinAVI one... I do all the stuff like enter the location of the file wanted for conversion, leave the "advanced" settings intact. After a while the file is converted but with NO AUDIO. I tried it about zillion times - also with the other programs - but the result is still same.
Do you guys have any idea why there is no audio? I also tried all kinds of options in the WinAVI audio settings panel but there was still no audio.
Cheers,
Daniel
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On it... btw there is not "%" or "time left" on the status bar. And when the status bar was at the end it went again from the beginning. How will I know then when the encoding will finish when I have no reference to it.
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Hmm... just finished encoding and there's still no sound; maybe I am just missing some codec perhaps? And also there are flashing grey frames through the whole playback of the rendered file.
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You will be surprised what MPEG Streamclip can do, even with unregistered Quicktime!
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Originally Posted by Forum Troll
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Originally Posted by prof_unto
Exucse my newb questions. -
I call it a Quicktime's alternative frontend, very easy to use
If you dont have Quicktime installed you can install Quicktime Alternative. -
So, I am now in like 50% of the exporting the *.mov to *.avi via the export option in my QuickTime Pro. The settings are following:
AVI Settings:
Compression: none (set it to this as I understood it meant "uncompressed")
Depth: million of colours
Quality: best
Sound:
Format: uncompressed
Sample rate: 44.1 Khz
Sample size: 16
Channels: 2
...and so far the output file has about 3 gigs (!?). And I am exporting only *.mov clip that is in high definition and is long about 1.5 minutes. Before that I tried some "Cinepak" compression and the output file was large cca 60mb, but the quality was crap. And also before all this when I tried the WinAVI Video Converter the output file had about 50mb and the quality was almost as good as in the HD *.mov file... but as stated before with no audio. What do I have to set it to, to gain THAT good quality and not ending up with a 6gig file? -
Originally Posted by prof_unto
Will try it out, thanks.
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All I wanted was just to convert from one format to another and thought how easy it would be. And now I am stuck on it for second day and don't know how much it will take further lol. -
So I've tried MPEG Streamclip. The output file has this time audio but no video.
Can I perhaps separate the audio layer from video in the *.mov file and then agian merge it (audio) with the final output *.avi (that has no audio in this case) into one file?
Please, any ideas on this? -
Hmm... that's weird may be you forgot to set the audio codec. What kind of .mov file do you have? Is it using H.264, Apple MPEG-4 or Sorenson video codec?
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This could clear things up:
#1 Find out what kind of *.MOV file it is (Video compression=Cinepak, DV, h.264, Animation, MJPEG, MP4, etc; Audio compression=None/LPCM, MP3, ADPCM, ulaw,etc)?? Get QT Pro ($29) it'll tell you what kind ([CTRL+I]=Movie Info).
#2 Realize that you probably ought to create an intermediate, uncompressed AVI (and then create the final kind of AVI you want using familiar AVI tools). This means you'll have HUGE files. You'll need lots of drive space available (uncompressed NTSC-SD=>35GB/hour, HD=>400GB/hour)
#3 Since you'll now have QTPro, use it to convert to the intermediate AVI. Should have no problem with Sync, recognizing codecs, etc.
#4 Use Virtualdub, etc to convert to the final AVI type you want.
Scott -
Originally Posted by prof_unto
Perhaps this will clear it up a bit:
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Originally Posted by Cornucopia
#2 Realize that you probably ought to create an intermediate, uncompressed AVI (and then create the final kind of AVI you want using familiar AVI tools). This means you'll have HUGE files. You'll need lots of drive space available (uncompressed NTSC-SD=>35GB/hour, HD=>400GB/hour)
That's about right as I gained, from encoding the 1.5 min *.mov clip a 6Gb huge file.
#3 Since you'll now have QTPro, use it to convert to the intermediate AVI. Should have no problem with Sync, recognizing codecs, etc.
#4 Use Virtualdub, etc to convert to the final AVI type you want.
End of essay lol. -
Originally Posted by prof_unto
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Originally Posted by daniel123
However, my guess is you probably are doing all this so that you can have a moderately sized AVI file with DivX/Xvid file to be used on you settop DVD/DivX player...
So, first you'll need to see if your player can support AAC 5.1. If yes, then you can leave the audio alone (just remux at the end of the video processing). If no, then you'll want to use an audio app that can decode AAC 5.1 and save to 6 WAV's, then encode that to something your player can use (like 5.1 AC3, Multichannel MPEG). BeSweet, Affen, and Hypercube transcoder are good for those things. If you don't care about the 5.1, you could use lots of things and just go to 2ch mp3, etc.
Next, you could use QT pro and convert to uncompressed (QT calls it "None" compressed) AVI, but that would be huge (as was talked about). You can losslessly transcode (called "PASSTHROUGH" in the A/V settings) it to MP4 for the next step (or leave alone if it works as is).
Then, convert to Xvid (AVI container) with Super. It accepts MP4 files, possibly MOV files, and is a fairly straightforward GUI for converting.
Originally Posted by daniel123
Originally Posted by daniel123
Same FPS and Resolution as original. "None" compression.
(XVid)
Your choice, but probably 853x480 (1:1 PAR, Widescreen 16:9 DAR) or 640x360 (1:1 PAR, Widescreen 16:9 DAR-fits within 720x480 constraints so no resize), 24(23.976)fps or 29.97fps if NTSCS, 25fps is PAL.
Bitrate dependent upon Quality requirements (but 1000kbps-4000kbps is good range).
Originally Posted by daniel123
Scott -
Wow, thanks for such detailed answer... will surely put it into use.
Well let's get on with it.
Originally Posted by Cornucopia
Back to your post... if I understand it, you're suggesting that instead of doing all the encoding and remuxing (that is suggested further) I should just separate the audio layer from the video and then remux it into some container; MP4 or AVI in this case. So can this be done in QTPro alone? I looked up in the in the Window->Show movie properities... little window pops up and there are three different tracks (video track, audio track, timecode track) and above them there is "extract" button. Can I, hypotheticaly, extract the AAC 5.1, save it, and then save the remaining video track and remux it together into an MP4 container? (uh oh this is getting kinda compilcated lol)... you said in the upper post that "the best quality could be retained by not doing any re-encoding at all" ...but when I want to remux the AAC audio track with the MP4 container doesn't that mean that the video track itself is being re-encoded into the MP4 container?
However, my guess is you probably are doing all this so that you can have a moderately sized AVI file with DivX/Xvid file to be used on you settop DVD/DivX player...
So, first you'll need to see if your player can support AAC 5.1. If yes, then you can leave the audio alone (just remux at the end of the video processing). If no, then you'll want to use an audio app that can decode AAC 5.1 and save to 6 WAV's, then encode that to something your player can use (like 5.1 AC3, Multichannel MPEG). BeSweet, Affen, and Hypercube transcoder are good for those things. If you don't care about the 5.1, you could use lots of things and just go to 2ch mp3, etc.
Btw what do you mean when you say "use an audio app that can decode AAC 5.1 and save to 6 WAV's"... I don't understand that six wavs part. Why six of them? Does it mean like the AAC 5.1 a format supporting surround system with six sound sources... hence the six wavs?
Next, you could use QT pro and convert to uncompressed (QT calls it "None" compressed) AVI, but that would be huge (as was talked about). You can losslessly transcode (called "PASSTHROUGH" in the A/V settings) it to MP4 for the next step (or leave alone if it works as is).
There usually isn't any direct link, NO. And doing it the way I earlier suggested does have a Huge intermediate file. But if you've got the space, IT WORKS. Otherwise, try the other method....does it asures the video quality, or that there won't be any data losses?
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just one sidenote here:
When I re-encoded the mov file with WinAVI Video converter the quality was almost as good as in the HD mov file and the output file had only about 56mb (AVI container; no audio). The coded it used for video was "ZJMedia MPEG-4 Encoder" and for audio "ZJMedia Mp3 Encoder". So I guess this proves that the mov file can be converted without the "intermediate" file and with highly good quality... tho with no audio in this case.
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Thanks again for all the suggestions... will give it a try and report back later.
Daniel -
Originally Posted by prof_unto
Maan, this mov converting is almost a rocket science. -
I got busy at work
so I had to wait before resonding...
I went ahead and tried what I was suggesting to you.
Just a note before proceeding:
QT supports many codecs in it's container format, 2 important and recent ones being MP4 (MPEG4,Part1-SimpleProfile) and h.264(MPEG4,Part10). It unfortunately doesn't support MPEG4,Part2-AdvancedSimpleProfile...at least not out of the box. This of course is the most common, seen in DivX, Xvid, etc.
QT container format is ALSO the basis for the MP4 container format, so they're almost identical (but not quite). So one thing you can easily do with QT is take certain supported stream types (V-MP4,h.264;A-AAC,mp3) and copy to an MP4 container without re-encoding and losing quality. Sort of like an internal-demux-and-remux. To do this, when exporting to MP4, you have to select "PASSTHROUGH" or "TRANSCODE" in the stream options (once for each kind of stream, A+V).
This isn't the same thing as Uncompressed or Losslessly compressed. It was compressed before (as h.264 in QT container) and is still compressed again (as h.264 in MP4 container), but at least you don't lose a generation of quality, AND it take a whole lot less time to do.
BTW, "losslessly" compressed is like ZIP compression, in that unzipping will give you back the complete original file.
So, back to the original talk...
I DL'd a QT trailer in 720p24 h.264, w/ 5.1AAC audio.
Passthrough export to MP4 (just like I mentioned above).
Took the original and extracted the Audio to it's own QT container, and then Passthrough export to MP4. Can't remember what I did next, but got a raw AAC 5.1 stream.
Opened Video MP4 in SUPER.
Converted to Xvid AVI 720p24 at ~2000kbps. Looks amazing. Now, you could remux. I would use AVIMuxGUI or BST's AVIMux http://www.cornucopiadm.com/goodies/avimux.exe.
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A regular DVD doesn't support AAC at all. And most DivX/Xvid capable players probably don't either. But you say your PC is your DVD player. So you should be able to play whatever your PC supports. This can be easily expanded to all the above, given some additional codec/player downloads.
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Think of uncompressed as a stream of multiple RGB BMP files. Each pixel has at least 8bits per color (24bit or 3bytes total). You could cheat your eyes and use YUV colorspace(where each pixel has 1 to 2 bytes total). But not count that as compression, you're still enumerating ALL the pixels.
Lossless compression is like that zip file. It'll be ~1/2 (2:1) the size of the uncompressed, but no less. At least you'll get back what you originally had.
Then you have all your lossy compressions...
MJPEG is ~2 1/2---10:1
DV is 5.5:1
All the others are a lot more compressed (think 20---100:1), with a somewhat concurrent loss in quality, depending on how efficient they are.
If you play your card right, there doesn't have to be an intermediate file, but if you don't know what you're doing real well, things could get difficult. The intermediate file is a failsafe fallback.
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BTW, not sure how good those codecs you used were...there are others that are more well known and often recommended.
HTH,
Scott -
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Originally Posted by daniel123
and about MOV to AVI, do you prefer re-encoding or without re-encoding?
AFAIK only a few hardware player that can play H.264 + AAC -
I am sorry for a little delay but I got hold up by some real life bizznis.
Originally Posted by Cornucopia
Oh and one question concerning this... what is that "MP4 (ISMA)" format? Is it same as MP4 or does it differ?
I DL'd a QT trailer in 720p24 h.264, w/ 5.1AAC audio.
Passthrough export to MP4 (just like I mentioned above).
Took the original and extracted the Audio to it's own QT container, and then Passthrough export to MP4. Can't remember what I did next, but got a raw AAC 5.1 stream.
Opened Video MP4 in SUPER.
Converted to Xvid AVI 720p24 at ~2000kbps. Looks amazing. Now, you could remux. I would use AVIMuxGUI or BST's AVIMux http://www.cornucopiadm.com/goodies/avimux.exe.
At first I tried the method with the "intermediate" file. I procceded in following steps:
1. Opened the trailer in QT and went to Window->Show movie properities
2. Selected the audio track and pressed the "extract" button. set it to:
- format: linear PCM
- channels: stereo L R
- rate: 48.000 Khz
- quality: best
- sample rate: 16
...and saved it as *.wav
3. Then I exported the video track to the "intermediate" AVI file w/ "none" selected on compression and w/ audio track unchecked (no need as I would just remux it later)
4. After the QT finished it exporting I opened it in Super (cca 6gb file) and adjusted the settings subsequently:
5. Started encoding... and here comes the catchy part. Super encoded only the first twenty seconds. I tried it few times over but it always saved only those first twenty seconds. Really dunno about this.
So I've tried the MP4 transcoding. The procedure was same as above except for that in the 3rd step I exported it into MP4 (only video; audio was un-checked). Was much faster and the output file had about the same size as the mov trailer.
//just a little diversion here:
Can I use at this point, of the whole procedure, other video format than "pass through"? I guess I am just curious in what way it will affect the outcome. Like better quality or other attributes. Here is a screen of what other options are there:
Wouldn't be better selecting the H.264 option as its the same as otput therefore the quality be less altered?
//back to the steps
5. So I at this point I have loaded up the MP4 transcoded file to Super, w/ the same settings as posted in the screenshot above, and started encoding. The final file had about 26mb
6. Downloaded one of those mux progs you suggested, AVIMux GUI, and fired it up. Added the video and audio stream and joined it.
7. Played the file... OMG finaly! Looks awesome... no audio async and the video quality is good. Will toy around with the settings a bit now, when I know how to get the result, to get more familiar with the whole process I guess.
A regular DVD doesn't support AAC at all. And most DivX/Xvid capable players probably don't either. But you say your PC is your DVD player. So you should be able to play whatever your PC supports. This can be easily expanded to all the above, given some additional codec/player downloads.
Think of uncompressed as a stream of multiple RGB BMP files. Each pixel has at least 8bits per color (24bit or 3bytes total). You could cheat your eyes and use YUV colorspace(where each pixel has 1 to 2 bytes total). But not count that as compression, you're still enumerating ALL the pixels.
Lossless compression is like that zip file. It'll be ~1/2 (2:1) the size of the uncompressed, but no less. At least you'll get back what you originally had.
Then you have all your lossy compressions...
MJPEG is ~2 1/2---10:1
DV is 5.5:1
All the others are a lot more compressed (think 20---100:1), with a somewhat concurrent loss in quality, depending on how efficient they are.
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Originally Posted by prof_unto
[for XViD with AC3 audio]
[for MPEG-4]
A bit too technical for me I fear. If I knew what is what it would be something else. I gather there is some codec incompatibility or something.
and about MOV to AVI, do you prefer re-encoding or without re-encoding?
AFAIK only a few hardware player that can play H.264 + AAC -
To answer a couple of things:
#1 Transcoding vs. Passthrough
When in QT, if you are setting the Video codec properties (bitrate, etc), the "PASSTHROUGH" option means to pass along a clone copy of the original stream--without re-encoding. And, since we know that the less re-encoding the better, the best quality will be had by passing through. This is synonymous with the Virtualdub option "Direct Stream Copy"
Why didn't you see "transcoding"?
Because that only shows up when you access the video settings while using the DV or MJPEG codecs. In QT --AND ONLY IN QT--they mean the same thing (normal usage of the term in most other apps has transcoding mean to cross-encode from 1 format/bitrate to another--sometimes without having to fully decode first)
#2 h.264 option
Had you selected h.264 option, it would have decoded the h.264 and re-encoded to a new h.264 with 1 additional and unneeded generation of lossiness. Not the best idea.
#3 MP4 ISMA
Don't really know what this stands for, and I haven't seen this in my copy of QTPro. Maybe I do have a different version...
#4 Stopping short!
Don't know why you didn't get the whole uncompressed clip re-encoded correctly. Could have be the fault of QT or of Super or something whacky in the OS...
#5 Standards
There are standards, but they're getting more and more numerous (and probably will continue to, what with computer proliferation). Hopefully computers and consumer electr. devices will all get smart enough to be able to recognize and auto-reconfigure themselves to make the differences transparent to the end user...
#6 Errors
Those errors you're getting mainly have to do with the fact that the app that is "resampling" or converting the sample rate (from 44.1kHz to 48kHz, or vice-versa) can't work with files that have more than 2 channels (stereo) in them. This would include your 5.1ch AAC. That's why.
Better thing to do there (if you need to resample at all) would be to save to WAV/AIF/LPCM doing the SRC from within QT (although it seriously is NOT the best at this.
glad to see things are progressing better.
Scott -
Originally Posted by Cornucopia
#4 Stopping short!
Don't know why you didn't get the whole uncompressed clip re-encoded correctly. Could have be the fault of QT or of Super or something whacky in the OS...
glad to see things are progressing better.
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Just few last questions....what does "bitrate" mean? I gather its amount of data encoded per second... hence more data, better quality?
And how can I export to the 5.1 system (6 wavs) as you suggested earlier? I tried exporting just the audio in QT but it exports only to "Linear PCM" with two channels, then "AU" and "AIFF" from which AIFF supports as the only one the 5.1 export. Furthermore I am not able to load that AIFF file into BeSweet as its not supported. -
Yep, bitrate = rate of the bits = amount of data encoded per second. More data usually = better quality.
Re: audio
You can use the properties/streams panel of QT Pro 7 and select/deselect which audio channels will be "present" in the resulting exported file. (aka exporting 6 times) It's a bit of a pain and slow, but that way you can easily get 6 mono WAV's to input into BeSweet or HypercubeTranscoder.
Scott -
About the errors may be caused by resolution, 1280x544 too big for ffmpeg?
Originally Posted by daniel123
1. Searching Track ID with MP4Box:
Code:mp4box -info myvideo.mov
Code:mp4box -raw 1 myvideo.mov
Code:mp4box -raw 2 myvideo.mov
Code:avc2avi -i myvideo_track1.h264 -o myvideo.avi -f 23.976 -s 2000
5. Mux myvideo_track2.aac to myvideo.avi with AviMuxGUI
Hope it works
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