Pioneer 520H can't record NHL Network?

[dcook]

I got home, grabbed a beer and sat down to enjoy a hockey game recorded earlier that evening. To my surprise nothing had been recorded and there was a message about copy protection. I turned to the NHL Network and hit record and sure enough the whole channel is somehow protected. How do I get around this? I am not looking to sell my recordings I just want to watch them and delete them.

[simpledisc]

This is exactly the reason why I don't buy a DVD-recorder. I am very surprised that not many more people are facing this problem. I don't know how it is in the USA, but here in Europe more and more programs have copy protection. Especially soccer games, series and films are involved.
I solved this problem as follows: I bought a capture card for my PC and I use this as a VCR. This is by far the best and the cheapest solution. This capture card does not "look" to the copy protection bit, so therefore it will not bother you.

If there is someone else with experiences on this matter, I also would be very pleased to know it.
But I'm afraid when you are a big Icehockey fan, your DVD-recorder will be rather useless for you.

Jan van der Straaten
Wageningen - NL

[archaeo]

It appears that most models of dvd recorders now incorporate a chip that detect a 'copy protection' signal from the broadcast.
Have any of you out there had models (older models I presume) that do not have this chip? I'd like to see a list of those that DO NOT have this chip built in.

[gshelley61]

Most of the copy boxes out there (Google "Sima GoDVD") will take care of this problem.

As will a full frame TBC like the AVT-8710.

[Brent G.]

Try taping curling instead. It's a lot less violent and the participants usually have all their teeth.

Brent

[InXess]

Most of the copy boxes out there (Google "Sima GoDVD") will take care of this problem.

As will a full frame TBC like the AVT-8710.

Not according to this...
https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=1634547#1634547 if I read it correctly.
TBC will not strip a broadcast flag which triggers built in protection scheme.

I have tested my LG LRH-780 in order to find some pattern and the only broadcasts which were triggering BF were late-night porn (on TMN). It gave me (at the end of copying process PVR to DVD-RW) a message "Uncopyable item. Cannot save" and yet both 15 min clips copied fine to DVD-RW in video-mode regardless. I'm still a a bit (actually: totally) confused as to BF/protection limitations for TV recording. haven't tried sports yet... but as posted above curling seems to be a safe bet
Btw. on-demand (TMN) stuff seems OK so far, haven't tried PPV yet (and have no plans for now...).

[Epicurus8a]

https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=1598450#1598450

[cocopugg]

Try taping curling instead.

Brent

I didn't know hairdressers had their own sport!

[Headbanger's Ball]

Seems a bit odd since the NHL has games available for download on Google. It's not a piracy thing, NHL as oked it.

[InXess]

You just can't expect any logic or consistency in applying BF...

[ACLUguy]

Hello,
I was thinking, perhaps the NHL network was a PPV package, like "NFL Sunday Ticket," where you can watch every NFL game on several channels.

It appears that this Canadian channel is indeed like an ESPN, VS, Fox Sports, etc.

A report from the states on Hockey recording:

State: Minnesota
Cable Provider: Comcast
box: Motorola DCT2244 (i believe)
recorder: Panny ES25
Disk used: Computer Essentials Silver 8xDVD-R (didn't want to use a good disk)
cables: both coax (w/ splitter pre-box) and rca's from box to recorder.

Results:
1- Local Channel: KSCT 45, recorded Wild at Flames Jan 10-2006 just fine (too bad we lost):
2- National Channel: VS (formerly OLN), recorded Detroit at Colorado Jan 10-2006 just fine.

I suspect the same can be said for FSN a regional channel; I have yet to try it.

Sorry to hear of the trouble in Canada and the EU. I recorded some various EPSN and ESPN Classic earlier in the day for the heck of it, didn't finalize the disk, but it seemed to record just fine.

My best for solving your hockey problems,
ACLU Guy
Postscript: No problems recording HBO, Sho or Encore channels, as well as their "On Demand" programming either.

[VegasBud]

dcook,

Since your dvd recorder only has analog video connections, the "copy protect" signal/flag would have to be in the VBI (Video Blanking Interval). That means a full frame tbc would let you record whatever you want. Currently (on the bhphoto site), an avt-8710 costs $215, and a TBC-1000 costs $475 (when did that happen???). You'd have to really love hockey for a tbc to be a reasonable choice.

I did a quick google of "video stabilizer", and some of those may (or may not) work. One that caught my eye was this one. It claims to remove:

...all kinds of video protections including Macrovision Level I, Macrovision Level II ( Color stripe x 2 ), Macrovision Level III ( Color stripe x 4 ), CGMS, CGMS-A, Digital Broadcasting Flags.

If that's accurate, the device would work for you, and at $90 is much more reasonable. I have no experience with the device, so I can't tell you if it really does what they claim, and can't even find a review of the unit on google. However, it does have a 60 day money back offer, so if it doesn't work, you could return it.

It that unit exists, there are almost certainly other "video stabilizers" that might do the job, maybe even for less money. You'd have to spend some time on google to find out. You would need the unit to remove all analog protections (just to make sure you take out the one that's causing you trouble), and having a money back guarantee (in case it doesn't work) is a necessity.

If you decide to try one of these devices, please post back with your results. I'm sure others would like to hear about your results, good or bad.