USA NTSC DVD release of THE DAVINCI CODE is a nightmare to back-up!

[FulciLives]

I'm trying to back-up the USA NTSC DVD release of THE DAVINCI CODE and it is proving to be a bit of a nightmare.

First I used RipIt4Me which I thought was considered a great ripper (although I've never used it before). It seemed to work (I also ran FixVTS when prompted by RipIt4Me although it seemed to suggest this was optional) but I had all kinds of issues.

1.) DGIndex reported something about GOP being messed up at the start and the first few frames might not be decoded correctly.
2.) The audio files that DGIndex demuxed had this insane audio delay value and when I tried to load the 5.1 AC-3 into AC3 Delay Corrector the program crashed.

So I ripped again using DVDFab Decrypter in FULL MOVIE mode (same mode I used with RipIt4Me) and again I got the same error as above (the first one) but the audio had a "normal" delay value (was -133ms) which AC3 Delay Corrector allowed me to fix.

But it gets worse.

I ripped the subtitles with VobSub and loaded the IDX into my AviSynth script (yes I tend to burn my subtitles in as I don't like "dealing" with selectable subs ... too much work for me).

But the subs were WAY off. They were starting MUCH too late. I'm talking minutes off not just a few seconds.

That is the first time I ever encountered that kind of subtitle error.

I was able to sync them manually by using a delay value in the IDX file and just kinda manually played around with the delay setting until it looked like it synced up to the original DVD (which was my reference point for the timing of the subs). The problem was that the timing was off in the start. Once I got the start timing delay "correct" the subs stayed in sync through-out the course of the movie.

In the end it all worked and I got my MPEG-2 video file (with subs burned in) and 5.1 AC-3 and it is all in sync and works well.

However I had to use a lower bitrate than I would have liked to make the movie fit onto a single layer DVD disc.

I recently got a Philips DVP-5140 and have always played around with MPEG-4 so I thought it would be nice to try a XviD back-up using autoGK since I think a high bitrate MPE-4 of this movie might look better than the MPEG-2 since I had to use a low bitrate (although surprising the MPEG-2 didn't really look all that bad).

However I have a feeling that autoGK will shit all over this movie ... at least with the DVDFab Decrypter rip I have now.

So I am guessing I need to use another ripper or use the rippers I have but in a somehow "better" way?

SONY and their crap ass ARccOS shit can piss off!!!

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[manono]

Hi John,

However I have a feeling that autoGK will shit all over this movie ... at least with the DVDFab Decrypter rip I have now.

The unedited subs will have the same problem of being out of synch.

I was able to sync them manually by using a delay value in the IDX file

Meaning they look something like this:

# Vob/Cell ID: 1, 1 (PTS: 0)
delay: -00:03:48:37
timestamp: 00:00:17:690, filepos: 000000000
timestamp: 00:00:30:370, filepos: 000001000
timestamp: 00:00:32:530, filepos: 000002000

You'll need to get rid of that written in delay first. Open it in Sub Resynch. It comes in the VobSub package. If you have Gordian Knot installed, you'll find it in the Subtitle Tab. Open the IDX, and save the IDX as another IDX. When done, open the new IDX and you should see that all the timestamps have moved forward 3 minutes and 48+ seconds (just an example) and that line with the delay written in should be gone. Test it out to make sure the new subs are OK. Get rid of the one where you wrote in the delay and from now on use the one with the adjusted timestamps. That's the one you'll use in AutoGK for your next encode. By the way, that delay value is probably the same as, or nearly the same as, the value in ms you got for the delay after using DGIndex the first time.

Now, encode in AutoGK. Instead of getting the subs the usual way, after the DVD is open, press CTRL-F8 and a new line will show up just below "Input File". Scroll to the fixed IDX (use the drop-down box to allow you to choose VobSubs instead of Text Subs), and proceed normally. When done, everything should be OK. Oh, if your IDX has all the sub languages, you might want to get rid of all but the one you want, using VobSubStrip.

[guns1inger]

USA NTSC DVD release of THE DAVINCI CODE is a nightmare to back-up!

Frankly I found it somewhat of a chore to sit through as well.

[MJA]

did you try AnyDVD 6.0.8.5 or DVD43

[Noahtuck]

Holy $h!t dude!!!

I did it with just DVDFab Decrypter v3.0.3.5 & DVD Shrink, made an ISO with shrink
burned back with ImgBurn.
Me, my daughter & her BF watched it the day after it came out and it played fine.

[FulciLives]

did you try AnyDVD 6.0.8.5 or DVD43

I did not try AnyDVD as I do not have that program. My understanding is that it is not freeware. As for DVD43 I must say I have never heard of that program before!

Holy $h!t dude!!!

I did it with just DVDFab Decrypter v3.0.3.5 & DVD Shrink, made an ISO with shrink
burned back with ImgBurn.
Me, my daughter & her BF watched it the day after it came out and it played fine.

Well even if you do the movie only in DVDShrink with one audio track (and the subtitles) you still have to compress it more than I like to compress using DVDShrink. I admit I do use DVDShrink now and again but only if the level of compression is 90% or higher (or should I say 10% or less compression).

Otherwise I use CCE or in this instance I used HCenc which did a damn fine job considering an AVG bitrate of 3500kbps for Full D1 16x9 resolution. Maybe I lucked out in that most of this movie is rather dark and therefore easily compressible?

So ... How did you do it with DVDShrink? Movie only or? ... and did the subs turn out A-OK and in sync?

blah blah blah

Don't take that quote the wrong way ... I just saw no reason to repeat it all LOL

Anyways ... Yes that is exactly how I dealt with the subs (i.e., added that delay line to the IDX file).

I completely understand what you said so that is how I will tackle it with autoGK.

BTW any idea why that happened with the subs? And is there a better way to deal with getting the delay value i.e., if the subs where like that (why?) on the original DVD would a delay value for them be found someplace on the DVD such as the IFO file? I had to go "by eye" using the original DVD (playing back on PowerDVD) to figure out the delay value manually. I think it got it as close as I could but I hate to not be "exact" with it LOL

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

P.S.
For those that haven't seen the movie ... it is mostly in English but has moments when it slips into other languages so the DVD has forced English subs for those moments.

[A_51]

I backed up my copy the other day. Actually I backed up both disk. The bonus disk I made an ISO with ripit4me and burn it with image burn, no problems. The movie disk I backed up on the following way. First I rip in file mode with ripit4me, then I opened shrink and re-author with no compresion on movie only cutting away the creditst to save space. Then since it still needed over 72% compression I didn't use shrink I used rebuilder. It came out great....

I hope this help you.

[FulciLives]

I backed up my copy the other day. Actually I backed up both disk. The bonus disk I made an ISO with ripit4me and burn it with image burn, no problems. The movie disk I backed up on the following way. First I rip in file mode with ripit4me, then I opened shrink and re-author with no compresion on movie only cutting away the creditst to save space. Then since it still needed over 72% compression I didn't use shrink I used rebuilder. It came out great....

I hope this help you.

Well I understand that RipIt4Me uses DVD Decrypter but within RipIt4Me the only options are:

1.) Full DVD
2.) Movie + Menus
3.) Movie Only
4.) ISO

So saying "rip in file mode with RipIt4Me" is confusing. Although if I had to guess I would imagine you mean "Full DVD" mode but ... I don't like to guess LOL

But even those options aren't the end all be all of the program. For instance it gives you an option to use FixVTS. Did you use FixVTS during the ripping process? I did and the end result was a mess. Of course I don't know if that was a FixVTS issue or not but this is the 2nd post saying "yes I did a successful back-up" without being specific as to the RIPPING method used (note the word specific). I don't want to guess no more!

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[manono]

Hi-

BTW any idea why that happened with the subs? And is there a better way to deal with getting the delay value i.e., if the subs where like that (why?) on the original DVD would a delay value for them be found someplace on the DVD such as the IFO file?

That's the second time I've heard of this problem with the subs (one was also The DaVinci Code). The people saying they didn't have problems were going DVD->DVD, weren't they? You're going DVD->AVI. I'm not positive, but I think that no matter how it's decrypted, there will be sub problems when making AVIs. I expect to see many more people reporting sub problems with Sony DVDs. I hope I'm wrong.

As for where to find the delay value, you saw it in the audio delay. It should also be in the Stream List.txt that DVD Decrypter gives you.

[FulciLives]

Hi-

BTW any idea why that happened with the subs? And is there a better way to deal with getting the delay value i.e., if the subs where like that (why?) on the original DVD would a delay value for them be found someplace on the DVD such as the IFO file?

That's the second time I've heard of this problem with the subs (one was also The DaVinci Code). The people saying they didn't have problems were going DVD->DVD, weren't they? You're going DVD->AVI. I'm not positive, but I think that no matter how it's decrypted, there will be sub problems when making AVIs. I expect to see many more people reporting sub problems with Sony DVDs. I hope I'm wrong.

As for where to find the delay value, you saw it in the audio delay. It should also be in the Stream List.txt that DVD Decrypter gives you.

Well the first time using RipIt4Me in "Full DVD" mode and running FixVTS: the reported delay value got was "insane". It was something like a 6 digit (maybe bigger) positive number.

When I did the 2nd rip (using DVDFab Decrypter in Full Quality Complete disc mode) I got an audio delay of -133ms in the 5.1 AC-3 track. Ironically the delay value in the other audio tracks were different but I forget now as I deleted them already (as I am only using the 5.1 AC-3 track) but they were all normal ... I think another was -133ms and one was -66ms etc.

However here is the line I used in the IDX file: delay: -00.01.16.300

As you can see that is a delay of 1 minute 16 seconds and 300 ms.

Anyways I got it to work finally and I have a nice DVD-R back-up but I want to try a MPEG-4 back-up. Now I haven't had a chance yet but I'm going to do as you suggested before when I get around to doing the MPEG-4 with autoGK.

I guess my point is this ... RipIt4Me didn't seem to work ... DVDFab Decrypter worked much better BUT I ripped the subs with VobSub as I have with many movies and yet I got a sync problem which I never have had before.

So it's confusing as to why it happened and more importantly how to avoid it without having to "fix" it afterwards.

I dunno ... I am assuming this is all the fault of Sony and their ARccOS copy protection etc.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[manono]

Well the first time using RipIt4Me in "Full DVD" mode and running FixVTS: the reported delay value got was "insane". It was something like a 6 digit (maybe bigger) positive number.

Yeah, you're right. If you had stuck with that decrypt, the delay for both the audio and the subs would have been the same. I don't know how your later decrypt using DVDFab Decrypter affects things.

The one I used as an example (and which fixed one person's problem) was originally:

0x21 - Subtitle - English - [SubPicture 02: Normal] / LBA: 1330 / PTS: 00:03:48.550 / Delay: 228367ms

which when converted to VobSub language becomes:

delay: -00:03:48:37

[hech54]

The only way I was able to rip Davinci Code (PAL - Region 2 - Germany) was "movie only" with an older version of DVDFabDecrypter. Everything else crapped out.

[classfour]

I must've gotten lucky: Both DaVinci Code discs ripped with RipIT4Me to HDD.

Compressed with DVD Rebuilder & ProCoder 2.0

Final DVD plays okay.

[Bald Dude]

I had to update my DVDFAB Decrypter to 3.0.4.0 and finally got it onto my computer. Just used DVD Shrink 3.2.0.15 and it is playing fine in the DVD player.

[SWBisbee]

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[handyguy]

It must be easy, I have seen it in so many places