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[taimoorshah]

Hi, I have a 60" Hitachi LCD TV

http://www.hitachi.us/tv/browse/lcd/lcd/60V710.shtml

i have bought a dvd player that can play pal dvds and ntsc dvds, now my problem is that i need to use this tv to watch analog cable. can u recommend any pal to ntsc converters or pal to ntsc tuners without losing picture quality.

Thanks in advance.

[BJ_M]

you just need a cable box or cable card - you dont need a pal to ntsc converter .. dont understand why you would want a pal tuner in canada as there are no pal broadcasts ...

[BJ_M]

i see you are in canada - no cable card ... so you just need a rogers cable box ....

[taimoorshah]

im planning to take this tv with me to pakistan. so i wanted to know how i could use it there. is there anyway to receive analog tv channels (pal) on this tv.

[BJ_M]

oh - i see ..

you cant - the voltage is wrong for one thing , you have to get it changed (the power supply), unless it is marked 100-220V 50/60 hz (which it may or may not be)

as for recieving pal broadcast - this tv doesnt have a hd tuner built in - so you would still need a cable card or external box - and in the specs , it doesnt mention it can do PAL (but it prob. can - maybe) ..

it would need an external tuner anyway for over the air also ... best to get those local - nothing in canada may work ...
there are shops in toronto that specialize in such conversions - of course it voids the warrenties and is not cheap ..

seems a pain in the ass to do really - easier to get a TV there ...

[taimoorshah]

thank you for the reply. power conversion is not going to be a big prob, i can get a local 220 to 110v power supply from there. the same tv is twice as much in pak, i got this one for $3000. i guess ill try one of those tv signal converters available online.

[BJ_M]

220 to 110v power supply converter doesnt change the HZ - you should know

[taimoorshah]

i didnt know that, do u think i can get one made there?

[BJ_M]

no -- you need either a electric generator (how we do it here for testing) or a special power invertor - both are expensive ..

best to change the power supply in the tv ....

IF you need to -- a lot of power supplies now days will run from most anything (switching power supplies) , BUT only if it is so marked right on the set ...

[taimoorshah]

yes thats a good idea, but do u think ill be able to find a powersupply with 220v for this tv?

[BJ_M]

no idea

[Richard_G]

It's all pretty academic really. By the time something that size and weight has been subjected to a few freight handlers, it will be in so many pieces it'll never work again anyway!

[edDV]

You can buy electronic power frequency converters that convert 50Hz 220VAC to 60Hz 120VAC. Search Google. Make sure the wattage is adequate for that TV.

Talk to Hitachi about whether that set can handle 720x576 on the component YPbPr analog inputs. If you have a true PAL DVD player you can test this yourself by playing a PAL DVD in 720x576i or 720x576p mode. My bet is this will work. My US model Philips HD sets do.

For PAL SD reception you will need an external PAL tuner (over the air, cable or sat model) that has YPbPr analog component outputs.

The internal NTSC tuner will be useless. S-Video in will result in monochrome with lots of chroma noise.


PS: talk to Hitachi support about the power requirements. If that set has a switching power supply, it may work OK on 50hz. 220VAC power.

[taimoorshah]

thank you for the reply. i emailes hitachi and according to them they dont have a power supply that can be fitted in the tv for 220 v and this unit is only designed for usa market and wont work anywhere else. i played a few dvds (pal) without any prob, i think my dvd player can play both discs, pal and ntsc and outputs ntsc. i guess ill try to use the tv with analog pal signal otherwise ill just keep it for movies.

[edDV]

thank you for the reply. i emailes hitachi and according to them they dont have a power supply that can be fitted in the tv for 220 v and this unit is only designed for usa market and wont work anywhere else. i played a few dvds (pal) without any prob, i think my dvd player can play both discs, pal and ntsc and outputs ntsc. i guess ill try to use the tv with analog pal signal otherwise ill just keep it for movies.

If the power supply needs 60Hz. 120VAC, look for an electronic power converter as described above.

The key issue is whether the TV works with true PAL SD resolution and frame rates over YPbPr (aka analog component). This is the critical issue to make it work in Pakistan.

If Hitachi won't tell you, buy a true PAL DVD player and test the TV with PAL 576i and 576p analog component settings. If that works and the power issue can be solved, then the TV can be used for PAL reception.

[BJ_M]

voltage converters dont convert cycles - though in many cases , you dont need to ... it really depends on the built in power supply ..

some switching power supplies dont like it ...

a lot dont care ...

see here for converters http://www.220-electronics.com/

[taimoorshah]

do u know of any other lcd rear projection tvs available in canada that have ntsc tuners but can support pal signals aswell?

[guns1inger]

If you want quality multi-format TVs, look at German brands such a Loewe. I have a Loewe tube, although they also make plasma and LCD. My Pioneer player plays both NTSC and PAL, and outputs native signals based on source (i.e. NTSC is NTSC, PAL is PAL). The TV switches between formats as required. It also has a variety of PAL and NTSC settings for the tuner as well. All of this wonderful tech, and a damn fine picture. I would never buy a Japanese (or sub-Japanese) television again.

[edDV]

do u know of any other lcd rear projection tvs available in canada that have ntsc tuners but can support pal signals aswell?

Multi standard models, if they exist, are usually very expensive and found only through mail order.

The diagram below shows how your current TV would be hooked up for PAL reception. The manual and spec sheet don't indicate whether the analog component inputs support PAL frame sizes and frame rates (50 Hz, 720x576). The way to test it before you go is to connect a true PAL DVD Player over the red green and blue analog component cables.

You would have to get a cable box that outputs analog components over there. Composite (yellow) and S-video won't work for PAL.



The power issue would also need to be solved. Hitachi should be able to tell you if the power supply supports 50Hz. Voltage conversion is easy with a transformer.

[sorinicu]

All the switched power supplys (as the ones in TV's, computers, DVD's) can handle 50 or 60Hz with no problems. The voltage form the mains is first rectified and filtered - the difference between 50 or 60Hz is non-esential to this process.
Only the voltage is important.