DVD Edge9 Copy Protection

[lumis]

A new DVD copy protection has been created, which stops software such as DVD-Decrypter and DVDfab from making a copy of the disc. The company Asian Media has made it so that the new Edge9 copy protection hangs DVD-decrypter when it tries to decrypt the CSS encryption from the DVD.

The development of the technology originally came from a protection they had developed for VCD's, though initial results weren’t very good on the DVD format. A breakthrough came during February where they found a balance between protection and playability. DvD's protected with this may not play on first generation dvd players or the PS2. More info can be found HERE

In 1999, DVD Jon has broken the CSS (Content Scrambling System) code that made DVD's easier to copy. Since then "illegal" DVD-copying became casual. Foreign shows became dominant, distribution are by means of VCDs and DVDs. The street price of a pirated pressed DVD is only $1.15 (US) with only 15 cents as a capital per disc. In 2002, Asian Media developed a copy-protection for VCDs but this format is becoming obsolete.

The following year they experimented DVDs that is unreadable on DVD-ROM just like what they did in VCDs. These past three years, DVD Edge-9 project became on and off because of unsatisfactory results. They also noticed the behavior of some traders, they tend to avoid copy-protected VCDs. They want to share or perhaps trade it again to another person. The last week of February made satisfying results. The experimental disc is unreadable on DVDDecrypter by LightningUK. Edge-9 will prevent DVD/FAB Decrypter to defeat the CSS code

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/13326

Would they still technically be a "DVD disc" if they won't play in older DVD players or a Playstation 2?

[Xylob the Destroyer]

they were clearly targeting DVDDecrypter and DVDFab, but make no mention of DVDShrink or programs like AnyDVD.
I've backed up most of the movies that I've purhased, and some just won't work with DVDShrink or DVDDecrypter on their own, but simply running AnyDVD first has always solved the problem (for me at least).
They also don't mention whether or not any studio has expressed interest in thier product...

[lordsmurf]

Would they still technically be a "DVD disc" if they won't play in older DVD players or a Playstation 2?

Nope. It would not be allowed to use the DVD-Video logo, nor would it be sanctioned by the DVD Forum, who oversees the specifications of DVD-Video.

So this protection is futile and worthless. Much like VCD protections that do nothing more than render the disc unviewable in players. They're no longer VCDs or DVDs at that point, they're just discs full of data.

[Rich86]

A dvd that does not play flawlessly in my computer and dvd players (including my older Pioneer players - DVL-909 and DV-505) - is defective - and it gets returned as defective. If the store insists on gving me another copy of the same title, I warn them that if it behaves the same, it is coming back also.

[VegasBud]

I'm a little leery of this story. The referenced story on cdfreaks was based on news submitted by kamuixtv, and in that article, where it says "More info can be found HERE" it leads to this webpage on geocities, also written by kamuixtv.

On the page at geocities, he says "Asian Media developed a copy-protection..." in the first paragraph, and at the end of the page he says that he's the co-founder of Asian Media. While it certainly is possible that kamuixtv is trying to get free advertising for a new product, why would a serious company use geocities, and not their company website.

Also, google can't find anything about "Edge-9", or basically anything else referenced on the geocities webpage that is at the core of this story.

[lordsmurf]

That about figures. No company would be that dumb, to release soemthing that is not to-spec.

[lumis]

I'm a little leery of this story. The referenced story on cdfreaks was based on news submitted by kamuixtv, and in that article, where it says "More info can be found HERE" it leads to this webpage on geocities, also written by kamuixtv.

On the page at geocities, he says "Asian Media developed a copy-protection..." in the first paragraph, and at the end of the page he says that he's the co-founder of Asian Media. While it certainly is possible that kamuixtv is trying to get free advertising for a new product, why would a serious company use geocities, and not their company website.

Also, google can't find anything about "Edge-9", or basically anything else referenced on the geocities webpage that is at the core of this story.

Nice catch, I didn't notice that. It does seem quite a bit more fishy now.

[dragon_1]

That about figures. No company would be that dumb, to release soemthing that is not to-spec.

Yeah good point ^^^

yeah i'd say there targeting DVDDecrypter, DVDFab, DVDShrink, but i think AnyDVD will update with a work around, if it's true.

[MOVIEGEEK]

This story sounds like BS to me but if it's true our good friend fengtao will break it.

[Xylob the Destroyer]

the fact that the entire "article" is in Engrish also kinda made question it's credibility.
not only does this "company" not have a 'real' web-site, but they don't even bother to make a decent attempt at translation...

[lordsmurf]

the fact that the entire "article" is in Engrish

Nice catch.

[zoobie]

also weird is the fact that Asia is one of the biggest copyright infringement places on the planet

[lumis]

A couple thoughts for you:

#1 - The article is written in poorly-translated Engrish.

#2 - The article was submitted by the "company" making the product, it's not actual news from any reliable news source.

#3 - The "company" is using geocities to host its site.

#4 - Anything that prevents a DVD from playing on certified DVD players means that it is NOT a DVD-Video, and therefore will not be adopted by the DVD Forum, nor any studios (or anybody else of importance, for that matter). This is precisely why the DVD specification exists.

[kamuixtv]

Sorry for the very late reply. First of all, we are just a small research organization, we're not as BIG as what you think. I would also like to remind you (especially you Xylob) that DVD Shrink is included in the list that's why it is "unshrinkable". All the current tools you have will think that the disc is broken or should I say the VOBs (now you have an idea). For the players, the "DVD only" player is obsolete and I can't find any, if you still have those players then its time to upgrade...if I still have those then I'll give it to my grandmother...geez what a boring person you are if you still have that player.

Incompatibility issues - this is just "theoretical" (based from what I said in the heading) with the old players. For the consoles...Oh Jesus! I'm living in the Philippines and I know that the standard of living in your country/countries is better than ours then you only have one player or a console at home to play DVDs???

I don't care if we succeed or not, for me this is just a challenge as a system developer. Besides everyone in the industry is "dancing" in the "Blue laser party". btw we still use Edge-9 with our self-authored DVDs just for selling

Our org:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAO_Team

Spamming members via PM, fake news, hacking advocate, false credentials etc. - You are in breach of the forum rules and are being BANNED
/ Moderator offline

[guns1inger]

If the laser hadn't started to die in my old (original) Pioneer player, I would still have it. Damned fine player.

So from what I'm reading, you haven't tried to get this great break through sanction by the DVD Forum, and use it to protect what ?

From what I read in the Wiki, you seem to be a bunch of (now) middle-aged script kiddies.

However, if your protection does work as you say, there may be a market here for you in the twice weekly request for a copy protection for someone's cousin's wedding video, that no-one actually wants to copy anyway.

[lordsmurf]

Stop PM'ing people about your crap protection. We don't care.

Our org:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAO_Team

How sad that wikipedia is now be using for self-promotion and ego stroking.

[Dv8ted2]

This "protection" would be broken by hackers pretty quick.

[RottenFoxBreath]

Sorry for the very late reply. First of all, we are just a small research organization, we're not as BIG as what you think. I would also like to remind you (especially you Xylob) that DVD Shrink is included in the list that's why it is "unshrinkable". All the current tools you have will think that the disc is broken or should I say the VOBs (now you have an idea). For the players, the "DVD only" player is obsolete and I can't find any, if you still have those players then its time to upgrade...if I still have those then I'll give it to my grandmother...geez what a boring person you are if you still have that player.

Incompatibility issues - this is just "theoretical" (based from what I said in the heading) with the old players. For the consoles...Oh Jesus! I'm living in the Philippines and I know that the standard of living in your country/countries is better than ours then you only have one player or a console at home to play DVDs???

I don't care if we succeed or not, for me this is just a challenge as a system developer. Besides everyone in the industry is "dancing" in the "Blue laser party". btw we still use Edge-9 with our self-authored DVDs just for selling

Our org:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAO_Team

if even my old player can play a dvd disc,then its of use to me...take your "protection",and shove it up your arse--noone heres interested.
and your last comment,sounds a bit like your ripping dvds,then copying them,but putting your piss protection on them so noone can copy them and sell them on..

[BJ_M]

what is true - however it came to be -- is there is VCD 's that are uncopyable ...

[mattypj]

Im am new to computers but couldnt you just copy one dvd to another without ripping it to the dard drive, just copy the 1's and 0's as they are straight to another disc of the same type?

[lumis]

mattypj,

In theory, yes you should be able to. But they're always coming out with new ways to make your computer/ripper/burner/etc choke while doing that.

I'm still waiting for someone to manually write down the 1's & 0's from a blu-ray or hd-dvd disc on to some paper so we can have them transcribed on to a BD-RE (blu-ray writable) disc.

Oh, and that "dard drive" sounds genius, I have a drive I call the "tard drive".

[AlecWest]

If worse came to worse, I'd just put the DVD in my player and send the output to my capture card in real-time. Not as great a backup as the usual way of doing things ... but within good quality limits.