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    Is there any reason why I can't create an HD DVD-9 disk right now? I can encode video using H.264/AVC and I have a dual-layer burner (red laser). The authoring part seems to be where I lack knowledge. Apple's DVD Studio Pro will author HD DVD, but are there any cheaper options? For playback, I'd use Apple's DVD Player (which supports HD DVD).
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    This would be outside the DVD spec and would only be playable on a computer. Authored menus would also be non-standard.

    I'd just burn the h.264 file to the DVD and play it directly in a h.264 player. I'd also archive the HDV tape for the future.
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    rack,

    YES, you can create HD DVD-9 right now.
    You will need Ulead DVD Movie Factory 5 to author HD-DVD, Nero to burn, Toshiba HD-DVD player to play.
    Look at this thread:

    http://www.sonyhdvinfo.com/showthread.php?s=dbbca50a850bb3499e20aa70f4009ed7&t=4727
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    Great to know these players will work for 20/40min HDV to DVD-R.
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    Originally Posted by edDV
    This would be outside the DVD spec and would only be playable on a computer.
    Isn't HD DVD-9 part of the spec?
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    Authored menus would also be non-standard.
    Well, what I was asking about was how to author to the spec.
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    I'd also archive the HDV tape for the future.
    I have no HDV tape...I have HDTV recordings.
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    Originally Posted by MozartMan
    You will need Ulead DVD Movie Factory 5 to author HD-DVD, Nero to burn, Toshiba HD-DVD player to play.
    Hmm. It appears that Movie Factory 5 only allows one to author discs using MPEG2, not H.264:

    http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/86272/ulead-dvd-moviefactory-5.html

    I plan on playing the HD DVD-9 discs on a software DVD player such as Apple's DVD Player (though I want to have the ability to play them on any HD DVD player in the future).

    Again, Apple's DVD Studio Pro claims "scalable H.264 encoding allows you to fit HD content on DVDs using existing drives and media" but I was looking for a less expensive solution.
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    Originally Posted by rack
    Originally Posted by edDV
    This would be outside the DVD spec and would only be playable on a computer.
    Isn't HD DVD-9 part of the spec?
    DVD is fixed 720x480/576 or 352x240/288 resolution. There is no HD spec for DVD-9.
    https://www.videohelp.com/dvd

    HD DVD and BD DVD use a new media, not DVD-5 or DVD-9.
    Although MPeg2 is the primary format, H.264 and VC-1 are approved advanced codecs under HD/BD but only on HD/BD media.
    https://www.videohelp.com/hd

    It is possible to use HD/BD spec H.264 and bak it to a DVD-9 but it will only play on the computer. In the future you could author the file to a HD/BD disc.

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    Originally Posted by edDV
    Authored menus would also be non-standard.
    Well, what I was asking about was how to author to the spec.
    To author to the spec, you would be using HD/BD media.

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    I'd also archive the HDV tape for the future.
    I have no HDV tape...I have HDTV recordings.
    If these are original recordings, you should back them to tape or MPeg2. The H.264 encoder will be in revision for awhile and quality will not be optimal without hardware assist. Or at least most users won't invest the encoding time for top archive quality.

    For now consider H.264 as a distribution codec.

    Originally Posted by rack
    Hmm. It appears that Movie Factory 5 only allows one to author discs using MPEG2, not H.264.
    I'm not sure H.264/VC-1 authoring specs are yet fully released.

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    I plan on playing the HD DVD-9 discs on a software DVD player such as Apple's DVD Player (though I want to have the ability to play them on any HD DVD player in the future).

    Again, Apple's DVD Studio Pro claims "scalable H.264 encoding allows you to fit HD content on DVDs using existing drives and media" but I was looking for a less expensive solution.
    Authoring H.264/VC-1 to DVD-5 or DVD-9 is outside the spec but I bet it will become an informal hack technique similar to the miniDVD on CD media. It is possible to get 2+ hours of high quality H.264 HD on a DVD-9.

    For now you can just back up the H.264 to DVD-9 and play it on the computer. Maybe it will play on the HD/BD players as a file.
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    Originally Posted by edDV
    DVD is fixed 720x480/576 or 352x240/288 resolution. There is no HD spec for DVD-9.
    I'm not referring to DVD-9. I'm refering to "HD DVD-9".

    See this DVD Forum white paper.
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    I took a look at the white paper that rack provided a link to (WARNING - it's a large PDF file) and it appears that HD DVD-9 is a hypothetical format that burns HD DVD content video to standard dual layer DVD-9 discs. It provides almost no details on how to make such discs outside of one chart listing a few specs on this "format".

    I am dubious that such discs will be supported by current HD DVD standalone players. I'd say that rack's questions are a little too early in the game and maybe after a few more months someone might have better ideas. Perhaps I am wrong, but to me HD DVD-9 appears to be the HD DVD version of "miniDVD", where DVD format was burned to CD-R discs, only this time they are using regular DVD-9 discs for it and burning HD DVD format to it.
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    Originally Posted by jman98
    I took a look at the white paper that rack provided a link to (WARNING - it's a large PDF file) and it appears that HD DVD-9 is a hypothetical format that burns HD DVD content video to standard dual layer DVD-9 discs..
    Well, again, Apple's DVD Studio Pro does it (see this thread). I guess that's the only option right now.

    I guess HD DVD-9 is also referred to as "3X DVD-ROM":

    "3X DVD-ROM Brings the higher data rate of HD DVD to the conventional format, enabling 135 minutes of HD content to be placed on a DVD-ROM, using AVC or VC-1 codecs."

    I just thought it would nice to start making HD DVDs now (from HDTV recordings) that will continue to work into the future.
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    Just so you realize you are outside standard and well into "hackland". Also H.264 encoders are very immature at present.
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    The licensing requirement for HD-DVD states:

    3.2.2 Required functions
    Standalone HD DVD-Video Player for consumer use shall comply with the following functions:
    1) Playback disc
    The player shall play HD DVD-ROM discs and 3x-speed DVD-ROM discs containing HD
    DVD-Video content specified in DVD Specifications for High Definition VIDEO.

    http://www.dvdfllc.co.jp/HDDVD-Video_Req_Guide_V102.pdf

    So any player sporting an HD-DVD logo will playback HD DVD-9 discs, it is NOT a hack.
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