Copy-protected CDs turning music fans off record buying: ret

[Teutatis]

Copy-protected CDs turning music fans off record buying: retailers

Angela Pacienza
Canadian Press

Sunday, November 20, 2005

TORONTO (CP) - It's becoming a regular occurrence in CD shops across the country: an irate customer comes in complaining the CD they bought won't play on their computer, and worse yet, they can't transfer the tunes to their IPod.

The culprit is copy-protected or copy-controlled CDs - something many Canadian music retailers say they would like to see pulled from store shelves.

"This is just another really, really ridiculous way of telling our customers, 'We don't want your business,' " said Tim Baker of Sunrise Records, which has 31 shops in southern Ontario.

"It's so stupid."

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=9682a973-f0e4-4610-819f-f96bf087ec43

[Noahtuck]

Needless to say, the technology irked consumers. Thousands flocked to the web to vent, using blogs and online petitions to encourage people to boycott Sony products altogether.

Hell, i've been doing that for 15+ years

Labels say they need the technology in order to stop people from sharing music with those who haven't paid for it.

What's next ?? wanting to try and charge you for letting other people sit in your car or living room listening to a cd when they did not pay for it ?
Or start inserting ad's into cd's like it was a radio station

[paulw]

What's next ?? wanting to try and charge you for letting other people sit in your car or living room listening to a cd when they did not pay for it ?

That's called Alzhimers DRM

[Sillyname]

Lift and seperate.

[RottenFoxBreath]

[quote="Noahtuck"]

What's next ?? wanting to try and charge you for letting other people sit in your car or living room listening to a cd when they did not pay for it ?
Or start inserting ad's into cd's like it was a radio station

actually thats not too far from the truth,its been proposed before,and may well be again.

[mats.hogberg]

..and in the end, they'll blame the decreased sales on piracy.

/Mats

[ROF]

Boycotts only further support the industry. What boytcotts of media or different companies products have provided is two measures which counter the boycott.

1) Boycotts support the industry plea that record sales are down because of piracy. This may be false but boycotts of products still provide trackable data that shows a drop in sales which can be blamed on anything.

2) Boycotts support a higher price tag. The lost money must be recouped somehow and what better way then to raise your prices. There will always be someone willing to buy even under a boycott. How many people cross picket lines each day to work at one of the picketers jobs? Same here.

[mats.hogberg]

Hopefully there are more people with spines in their body than without.
I'm not dependant on Sony. Sony is dependant on me.

/Mats

[Sillyname]

Buy a guitar and a camcorder.

Make your own music and movies.

Problem solved.

[pdemondo]

ROF WROTE
Boycotts only further support the industry.


What kind of logic is this? Can you name any previous boycotts
that have empowered the intended target?
If we don't buy their copy-protected CD's,
they will be FORCED to remove the protection.
Not even the music
companies believe boycotts help their industry. Why else would
the record companies fight a proposal in congress to require
record companies to put a copy protection notice on CD's?

The news article mentioned was not even about a boycott, it was
about the reaction of many individual consumers reacting
independently to something they don't like. The only vote we
have is with our dollars.

[ROF]

ROF WROTE
Boycotts only further support the industry.


What kind of logic is this? Can you name any previous boycotts
that have empowered the intended target?

The Sunnis boycotted an election in Iraq in January and because of this they are now a minority in this government. Gasoline boycotts in the past have been partly used to justify raises in prices. A boycott of Microsoft in 1997 caused Microsoft to inflate the prices temporarily across the board for it's higher end products. A boycott against Nike in 2002 partially helped cause a rise in sales for the quarter.

There are many cases not exclusive to corporations where boycotts have worked in reverse.

[MackemX]

Buy a guitar and a camcorder.

Make your own music and movies.

Problem solved.

LMAO , that's it exactly

[BJ_M]

ROF WROTE
Boycotts only further support the industry.


What kind of logic is this? Can you name any previous boycotts
that have empowered the intended target?

The Sunnis boycotted an election in Iraq in January and because of this they are now a minority in this government. Gasoline boycotts in the past have been partly used to justify raises in prices. A boycott of Microsoft in 1997 caused Microsoft to inflate the prices temporarily across the board for it's higher end products. A boycott against Nike in 2002 partially helped cause a rise in sales for the quarter.

There are many cases not exclusive to corporations where boycotts have worked in reverse.

there are many many more where they worked -- i'm not going to get into which ones , because it would get into politics and differening points of view outside this thread (and anyway i think some are not justified - but they did work) ..

as for nike - a quick search on google showed it did seem to work to a degree

[Teutatis]

I keep thinking that the brilliant, well compensated executive minds of the music industry are going to come up with an idea to survive and profit in the digital age. However, as each day goes by, I grow more and more convinced that the best idea those dumb edited for content by bjm - see note below>

[BJ_M]

that is a little rough and over the top ... please no comments more like that ...

[pdemondo]

A boycott, as I am using the term, means not spending your dollars.
So boycotting an election would not be the same.

If one group buys more in response to another groups' boycott, then
THAT could defeat the boycott, true enough.

Ultimately if sales go down, that will alter the record companies' behavior.
They can't operate too long on little or no income.

At the risk of being political, we can all take note of the bus boycotts in the
South helping to end the whole "back of the bus" problem. That problem
was not solved poltically or legally. The busses were losing money and
gave in else they would have went under.

[gll99]

Copy-protected CDs turning music fans off record buying:

I don't know if this is related to an organised boycott.
If I don't like something because it has an undesirable feature then I am just making a consumer choice. Copy protected cd's is not something I want so will not buy them. I can only think of one or 2 artists that I might consider buying anyway but obviously the technology would seriously curtail my music purchases. The passing of time would not win me over or change my mind.
That is a personal consumer decision just like the fact I have yet to purchase an HDTV. It's not even financial at this time. I'm just waiting for the dust to settle on certain aspects of the technology and for more programming to be available on my local digital cable provider. Then I will make an informed decision. Yes being able to transfer HD material to my PC will play a role in my decision.
I haven't upgraded my P4 computer yet because some technology is in change and not mature enough and in this case what I want is too leading edge and expensive. It will also be affected by the HD decision.

To me it's all about consumer choices. I know for a fact that if I had not been able to backup my DVD's then I would have bought a lot less. I also would have bought less players, pc burners etc... That's not a boycott just a reality of one thing impacting on other purchases. I find the discs too fragile and I also like the flexibility to adjust my backups to stop the idiotic auto play of old movie lead-in trailers that can't be skipped on some discs.

When I boycott a company I will not buy anything under that brand or any subsidiary.