Can you author a DVD like a DVD-R?

[timmus]

Is it possible to simply copy a /VIDEO_TS and /AUDIO_TS with vob content onto a DVD (like a DVD-R) and have it play in regular consumer players?

I'm having to go this route because I'm creating the DVD structure (vobs and all) with WinAVI, but it doesn't have a built-in burner. So I go to DVD Shrink to burn, and it wants to re-encode all the material yet -again- rather than burn as-is.

Last night I tried firing up DeepBurner (DVD-R authoring) and carefully copied the /VIDEO_TS and /AUDIO_TS folders to the DVD root. After burning I put the disc on my Panasonic player and it refused to play it, saying "NO PLAY". Since I had 35 .vob's I'm not sure whether it choked or it didn't like my DVD structure.

Tim

[ZippyP.]

Read on: https://www.videohelp.com/guides.php?howtoselect=3;25#3;25

[timmus]

There's nothing in there about the tool I'm using... I just want to know if there is a difference between DVD and DVD-R I need to be aware of.

[Denvers Dawgs]

dvd is a store bought dvd. dvd-r stands for dvd recordable. Just means that there is nothing on the dvd until you burn to it.

[lordsmurf]

DVD-Video is the format of video for a DVD player.

DVD-ROM is a pressed discs, read-only.

DVD-R is a recordable disc, official version.

DVD+R is a recordable disc, unofficial version.

DVD-RW is a re-usable (use, erase, use, erase)disc, official version.

DVD+RW is a re-usable (use, erase, use, erase)disc, unofficial version.

DVD-RAM is a re-usable disc, best for data, not video.

[timmus]

OK, I'll rephrase: there's no difference between video (1) burned as a DVD-Video and (2) burned as a DVD-R? Or there's no such difference?

[lordsmurf]

DVD-Video is the video.

Whether you put it on DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW ... there is no change to the data.

The only thing to worry about is if the player will read the DVD-R or DVD-RW. All players can (or should) read DVD-ROM.

[timmus]

[self-deleted, made an error in my diagnosis]

[timmus]

OK, this is making no sense... DVD Shrink keeps creating good DVD-Videos and Deep Burner keeps creating unplayable DVD-Videos (though it has written perfectly good DVD-Rs and I use them all the time). I'm not convinced that you can use any old DVD-R authoring program to make DVD-Videos.

Is there a possibility that WinAVI is creating bad .vob's and DVD Shrink is fixing it? I do notice that DVD Shrink re-encodes everything before burning (thus the slightly different files).

All the files seem to be there, and the structure looks good!


UNPLAYABLE DISC, created with WinAVI, burned with DeepBurner

 Volume in drive D is CDRoot
 Volume Serial Number is 6146-6200

 Directory of d:\

11/10/2005  11:45p      <DIR>          VIDEO_TS
11/10/2005  11:45p      <DIR>          AUDIO_TS
               0 File(s)              0 bytes

 Directory of d:\VIDEO_TS

11/10/2005  11:45p      <DIR>          .
11/10/2005  11:45p      <DIR>          ..
11/10/2005  11:31p               8,192 VIDEO_TS.BUP
11/10/2005  11:31p               8,192 VIDEO_TS.IFO
11/10/2005  11:23p              14,336 VTS_01_0.BUP
11/10/2005  11:23p              14,336 VTS_01_0.IFO
11/10/2005  11:23p           1,955,840 VTS_01_1.VOB
11/10/2005  11:31p             100,352 VTS_02_0.BUP
11/10/2005  11:31p             100,352 VTS_02_0.IFO
11/10/2005  11:31p       1,063,139,328 VTS_02_1.VOB
11/10/2005  11:31p       1,063,137,280 VTS_02_2.VOB
11/10/2005  11:31p       1,063,571,456 VTS_02_3.VOB
11/10/2005  11:31p         973,760,512 VTS_02_4.VOB
              11 File(s)  4,165,810,176 bytes

 Directory of d:\AUDIO_TS

11/10/2005  11:45p      <DIR>          .
11/10/2005  11:45p      <DIR>          ..
               0 File(s)              0 bytes

     Total Files Listed:
              11 File(s)  4,165,810,176 bytes
               6 Dir(s)               0 bytes free

PLAYABLE DISC, created with WinAVI, burned with DVD Shrink

 Volume in drive D is DVD_0
 Volume Serial Number is 4175-13DD

 Directory of d:\

11/11/2005  04:35p      <DIR>          VIDEO_TS
11/11/2005  04:35p      <DIR>          AUDIO_TS
               0 File(s)              0 bytes

 Directory of d:\VIDEO_TS

11/11/2005  04:35p      <DIR>          .
11/11/2005  04:38p      <DIR>          ..
11/11/2005  10:35a               6,144 VIDEO_TS.BUP
11/11/2005  10:35a               6,144 VIDEO_TS.IFO
11/11/2005  10:21a              12,288 VTS_01_0.BUP
11/11/2005  10:21a              12,288 VTS_01_0.IFO
11/11/2005  10:21a           1,955,840 VTS_01_1.VOB
11/11/2005  10:35a              12,288 VTS_02_0.BUP
11/11/2005  10:35a              98,304 VTS_02_0.IFO
11/11/2005  10:25a       1,073,739,776 VTS_02_1.VOB
11/11/2005  10:29a       1,073,739,776 VTS_02_2.VOB
11/11/2005  10:33a       1,073,739,776 VTS_02_3.VOB
11/11/2005  10:35a              98,304 VTS_02_4.VOB
              11 File(s)  4,165,795,840 bytes

 Directory of d:\AUDIO_TS

11/11/2005  04:35p      <DIR>          .
11/11/2005  04:38p      <DIR>          ..
               0 File(s)              0 bytes

     Total Files Listed:
              11 File(s)  4,165,795,840 bytes
               6 Dir(s)               0 bytes free

[lordsmurf]

The error is related to your equipment, or your methods. The discs are not a problem, assuming you're using good media.

Your problem is very liking DVD-Video compliance. Meaning the data is not in a correct format.

Or it could be the player doesn't want to cooperate.

Maybe the burner is acting badly with those discs.

Not enough info here to form a solid conclusion.

[MrMoody]

Video DVDs must be burned as DVD Video NOT Data. The free version of DeepBurner won't do this, you have to upgrade to the pay version.

Use ImgTool Classic to create an .iso and then burn that.

[lordsmurf]

Ah, nice catch, I didn't know that about DeepBurner. It is indeed a compliance issue, it must be burned as DVD-Video (ISO/UDF bridge set to DVD-Video specs).

[timmus]

Excellent... thanks! This situation makes a lot more sense now.