1st DIVX, then EZ-D--Here we go again with M$!

[Cornucopia]

One more stab (pun intended) at trying to convince consumers to go with DRM-full and Value-less media--One-play-only media from Micro$oft!

See the article here.

Once again we must send a unified, clear message that consumers want to be the ones in control of their viewing habits, not "content providers"!

Scott

[waheed]

When will MS ever learn?

Cant they see previous attempts (Divx, Disposable DVDs etc) failed.

[Xylob the Destroyer]

"The revolutionary product could be on the market as early as next year, with the new DVD players needed to view them."
Oh yeah, I'm gonna go right out and drop $$$ on another player just to watch these 'throw-away'...

"Hollywood’s movie moguls are said to be excited at the prospect of having a piracy-proof means of distribution."
There isn't, nor will there ever be, any such thing...

[somebodeez]

[Ironballs]

Rip once, watch many times over

[SilverBlade]

Rip once, watch many times over

Exactly. Oh, look at that, its not piracy proof.

Stop wasting your time hollywood. There is no such thing as piracy-proof. Someone, somewhere will find out how.

[CaptainVideo]

This reminds me of the pizza scenario.

Pizza parlor opens up, lasts maybe a year or two, then goes out of business. Then another pizza parlor opens up in the same spot. Then, it too goes out of business, then another opens up. When you ask why they open up a pizza parlor in the exact same spot as two previously failed ones, the reply is "Oh my pizza is better"...

Not the lack of demand, not the amount of competition, not that its a bad locale, it's because the other two owners must not have known what they were doing but I do. Idiots.

[MozartMan]

It was a hoax:

http://bink.nu/Article4981.bink

[ROF]

It was kinda funny to read though. There would be no market for these things. It's been proven that consumers do not want or need "throw aways". Hollywood and the industry should be investing money in network based DRM, so they can unobtrusively control their content, keep tabs on our viewing habits, and shut down networked devices known to be playing illegal media.

The best prevention for piracy of entertainment is to force a thief to have to buy new equipment after their previous equipment was shutdown due to their illegal habits.

[Cornucopia]

It was kinda funny to read though. There would be no market for these things. It's been proven that consumers do not want or need "throw aways". Hollywood and the industry should be investing money in network based DRM, so they can unobtrusively control their content, keep tabs on our viewing habits, and shut down networked devices known to be playing illegal media.

The best prevention for piracy of entertainment is to force a thief to have to buy new equipment after their previous equipment was shutdown due to their illegal habits.

I think their money is better spent giving customers what they really want, not what M$ wants them to want.

#1: I personally will probably NEVER get VOD/PPV/etc. for Movies/Music/Books/Anything with the possible exception of when I'm out-of-town at a hotel. Main reason: Not that suckered into the Pavlovian, Consumerist, Impulse-buying craze. 2nd reason: I don't want anybody "tracking" my habits, except God (and Santa Claus).

#2: Real "pirates" are going to get around this whole "authentication" rigmarole fairly easily. If they are already making money at it, they'll find a way to continue. I can guess at one way right off the bat, but don't want to adversely influence anyone.


Scott

[ROF]

#1: I personally will probably NEVER get VOD/PPV/etc. for Movies/Music/Books/Anything with the possible exception of when I'm out-of-town at a hotel. Main reason: Not that suckered into the Pavlovian, Consumerist, Impulse-buying craze. 2nd reason: I don't want anybody "tracking" my habits, except God (and Santa Claus).

You will always have to buy your products with cash only, never use a check, bank card, debit card, credit card, or other forms of money. You must also never file your taxes with itemized deductions, plus a myraid of other situations where tracking of consumption is done.

#2: Real "pirates" are going to get around this whole "authentication" rigmarole fairly easily. If they are already making money at it, they'll find a way to continue. I can guess at one way right off the bat, but don't want to adversely influence anyone.

Sorry, there is no way to bypass a flag that's embedded in a transmission unless you intercept the transmission before the flag is inserted. I just hope the next generation set top devices are networked so pirates are forced to buy new equipment each time they are caught. Too much money is spent prosecuting them when it could be better to have them required to buy new functional equipment after being shut down because of their illegal tactics. That will benefit everyone who obeys these content laws.

[Cornucopia]

You will always have to buy your products with cash only, never use a check, bank card, debit card, credit card, or other forms of money. You must also never file your taxes with itemized deductions, plus a myraid of other situations where tracking of consumption is done.

Sorry, there is no way to bypass a flag that's embedded in a transmission unless you intercept the transmission before the flag is inserted. I just hope the next generation set top devices are networked so pirates are forced to buy new equipment each time they are caught. Too much money is spent prosecuting them when it could be better to have them required to buy new functional equipment after being shut down because of their illegal tactics. That will benefit everyone who obeys these content laws.

#1- I very often only buy via cash.
#2- Checks/BankCards/Debit/Credit Cards have very strict privacy laws already in place to protect the consumer. Laws regarding the BF and other internet processes are tenuous at best.

#3- If it's an actual "flag" (or even series of flags) and not an actual encryption, any smart, parsing packet sniffer can switch that flag off. Just like there are already devices (under litigation) that defeat Macrovision, CGMS, SCMS, etc.

#4- If they stopped throwing money away trying to plug every leak in the swiss cheese levee, and spent time on creating value-added, intelligent, and APPROPRIATELY PRICED content, there wouldn't even be much of a pirate market to begin with.

Scott

>>>>>>>>
edit: I also DON'T itemize, as it's not worth it on my piss-poor salary. :P

[ROF]

#1- I very often only buy via cash.
#2- Checks/BankCards/Debit/Credit Cards have very strict privacy laws already in place to protect the consumer. Laws regarding the BF and other internet processes are tenuous at best.

Really? And you actually trust them? How many times have you read about networks being hacked and CC or other financial information being stolen? BTW, Do you trust the waiter with your credit card? Debit Card? Wireless technology is a beautiful thing and pocket PCs can attach card scanners. You could pay for a $30 meal and wind up also buying a new surf board and a complete line of swim apparel. It doesn't take much. That waiter could even tack on another customers bill and you wouldn't know until you checked, your bill was delivered to your house, or you are overdrawn. Sorry if I made you a little paranoid with this, but it has and does occur where a scam artist takes a job for a week or so and secretly rings up $1000's of dollars in transactions from his or her tipping customers. Try and prove that you only bought one meal at a restaurant when 8 of them were charged to your CC or DC. You were at the restaurant weren't you? Some people think internet transactions are the only insecure way to charge things. Restaurants have a much higher scamming rate and they've been doing it before the word internet was invented.

#3- If it's an actual "flag" (or even series of flags) and not an actual encryption, any smart, parsing packet sniffer can switch that flag off. Just like there are already devices (under litigation) that defeat Macrovision, CGMS, SCMS, etc.

Again, that's a violation of the law and can be punished by several years in jail and thousands of dollars in fines. If you live in the US and you buy such a device outside of your State of Residence it's not the local authorities who will be prosecuting you. You've commited inter-state fraud which is prosecuted in federal court. Is it really worth it to avoid paying a bill?

#4- If they stopped throwing money away trying to plug every leak in the swiss cheese levee, and spent time on creating value-added, intelligent, and APPROPRIATELY PRICED content, there wouldn't even be much of a pirate market to begin with.

I'd try to answer this but you make no sense. If it's unintelligent, no value added entertainment, why are people wasting hundreds of dollars on equipment and blank media to archive such content? Because it has value, it's good enough to copy and keep or sell. The price of DVDs is about $10 or $20 for new releases. You can even find them for only a few dollars if you shop around. The price is more than appropriate considering music CD are rarely below $10 even for used ones. The price of a movie ticket averages $7, while sporting/concert events tickets cost $30 or more. The price to own DVD media is cheap. The price for stealing media can be very costly. The cost to the industry for each thievery can not be calculated, but depending on the thieves intent it could cost the industry billions in lost revenue. Saying you weren't going to buy it to begin with is no excuse to steal it.

[Cornucopia]

Really? And you actually trust them? How many times have you read about networks being hacked and CC or other financial information being stolen? BTW, Do you trust the waiter with your credit card? Debit Card? Wireless technology is a beautiful thing and pocket PCs can attach card scanners. You could pay for a $30 meal and wind up also buying a new surf board and a complete line of swim apparel. It doesn't take much. That waiter could even tack on another customers bill and you wouldn't know until you checked, your bill was delivered to your house, or you are overdrawn. Sorry if I made you a little paranoid with this, but it has and does occur where a scam artist takes a job for a week or so and secretly rings up $1000's of dollars in transactions from his or her tipping customers. Try and prove that you only bought one meal at a restaurant when 8 of them were charged to your CC or DC. You were at the restaurant weren't you? Some people think internet transactions are the only insecure way to charge things. Restaurants have a much higher scamming rate and they've been doing it before the word internet was invented.
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Again, that's a violation of the law and can be punished by several years in jail and thousands of dollars in fines. If you live in the US and you buy such a device outside of your State of Residence it's not the local authorities who will be prosecuting you. You've commited inter-state fraud which is prosecuted in federal court. Is it really worth it to avoid paying a bill?
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I'd try to answer this but you make no sense. If it's unintelligent, no value added entertainment, why are people wasting hundreds of dollars on equipment and blank media to archive such content? Because it has value, it's good enough to copy and keep or sell. The price of DVDs is about $10 or $20 for new releases. You can even find them for only a few dollars if you shop around. The price is more than appropriate considering music CD are rarely below $10 even for used ones. The price of a movie ticket averages $7, while sporting/concert events tickets cost $30 or more. The price to own DVD media is cheap. The price for stealing media can be very costly. The cost to the industry for each thievery can not be calculated, but depending on the thieves intent it could cost the industry billions in lost revenue. Saying you weren't going to buy it to begin with is no excuse to steal it.

Credit cards have straightforward ways of redressing mistakes--And most CC companies give their client the benefit of the doubt. Plus, there's always a receipt that you keep that says you only had 1 meal. That doesn't really happen to me because I'm don't waste my credit limit on consumeables like dinner.

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It's not a violation of the law to buy a standard electronic device. If there is litigation that says it violates DCMA or similar, once that has been established/proven and judgement given, those devices would be removed from the market. And the courts don't go and trace back past customers.

"Fraud"? what are you talking about?

Originally, I was just commenting that it wasn't "impossible" to break the BF. And I would expect PC software to be the most likely place that would happen, not a hardware device, although that's possible.

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The whole value-added/piracy arguement has been done to death here before, so I'm not going to continue that line.



I notice that a number of your posts are word-for-word reprints of MPAA/RIAA postings I have seen on other sites. Clearly, you want to give Big Business the benefit of the doubt (even though they have proven many times to not be worthy of such trust), while I give Consumers the benefit of the doubt.

Scott

[Faustus]

Uhm... didn't I just read that the 1 play DVD thing was a fake?

[Faustus]

MOVE ALONG! NOthing to see here!

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/05/2344240&tid=109&tid=188&tid=97