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    ive been thinking of getting into a buisness school in uk (im from US) (aston) but what does a buinsness school really teach you? when buisness school is over, do you gotta work in a cubicle? :P im just hazy on the subject and was looking for more info.

    also the reason i chose that school is because a bunch of my cousins live near , and thats cool. not many relitives in US :P
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    Undergrad or postgrad?

    If you don't know what the course has to offer you, are you sure you are chosing the right course? Also what do you want to 'do' when you've finished? (Other than NOT be in a cubicle - which isn't actually that common in the UK, we tend to be more open plan)

    I've never actually studied at Aston Uni, but I have been for quite a few conferences and meetings in the business school, and it has an excellent campus and great food (how I always judge a university :P ) You could do far worse.

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    What does it do for you?
    It frees you of your money problem.
    Meaning you have money, they take it all away.
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    Originally Posted by lordsmurf
    Meaning you have money, they take it all away.
    Especially as an international student
    University funding is quite different in the UK compared to the US (although we are moving in that direction). Students have only just starting paying fees which are means tested (i think) and 'top up' fees are being introduced - so Universitys have historically loved international students as they could charge them whatever they want.
    Not wanting to get too nostalgic but when I was at uni in the mid-90's there were no fees to be paid and I lived almost exclusively on a my student grant - happy days

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  5. Originally Posted by e404pnf
    ot wanting to get too nostalgic but when I was at uni in the mid-90's there were no fees to be paid and I lived almost exclusively on a my student grant - happy days
    Lucky. We must now pay £1,150 per year tuition out of a £2,750 student loan. That leaves £1600 to pay accommodation, books, food and all the rest of it. I'm just lucky to have the support of my parents. Plus, I'd saved money since I was 14 for it and I work whenever possible...

    I wish they'd bring back the grant and keep fees in check. They're aiming to have 50% of the population go through university, aren't they? What's the point, when they're offering "Football studies" and "Celebrity studies"... Not enough of the subjects that actually matter.
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    Originally Posted by Cobra
    I wish they'd bring back the grant and keep fees in check. They're aiming to have 50% of the population go through university, aren't they? What's the point, when they're offering "Football studies" and "Celebrity studies"... Not enough of the subjects that actually matter.
    Couldn't agree with you more I did my undergrad degree from 96-99, before the start of fee's, loans were just being phased in but you still got a student grant so I actually had a pretty go standard of living (that said used to live $hitty student houses). My sisters is younger and has been hit by the fees etc and as you mentions is pretty much reliant on help from our parents.

    What we need are more guys like gooberguy willing to come over here, pay really high fees and so subsidise the home students :P

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  7. It's not getting political, I don't think. As long as it stays away from politics, I'll allow it.
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    Originally Posted by Cobra
    Lucky. We must now pay £1,150 per year tuition out of a £2,750 student loan.
    1,150? Its easily double (or maybe even triple) that for the universty here. I look forward to it!
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    What kind of a man are you? The guy is unconscious in a coma and you don't have the guts to kiss his girlfriend?
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    1150 GBP is about 2100USD. I wish mine and my brothers college tuitions were that cheap. One year, when my older brother was a senior in college, I was a sophomore, and my younger brother a freshman, my dad paid out over $60,000 (33000 GBP) in tuition alone, not including room/board, books, spending cash, etc,. Why is tuition so cheap in the UK, or am I missing something about your education system?
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    Originally Posted by e404pnf
    Undergrad or postgrad?

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    whats the differance?
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    Undergraduate are for people doing their first degree, eg BSC, BA, BEng etc..

    Postgraduate are for people whom have already completed their first degree and are undertaking further study, eg Masters degree or a PHD.
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    Originally Posted by thevoelk
    1150 GBP is about 2100USD.
    Oh, so its triple. And that was their tuition four years ago. I got to see what it is now.
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    o ok then im a undergrad :P
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    Originally Posted by thevoelk
    1150 GBP is about 2100USD. I wish mine and my brothers college tuitions were that cheap. One year, when my older brother was a senior in college, I was a sophomore, and my younger brother a freshman, my dad paid out over $60,000 (33000 GBP) in tuition alone, not including room/board, books, spending cash, etc,. Why is tuition so cheap in the UK, or am I missing something about your education system?
    As I said the way education is funded in the UK is very different to that in the US. When I did my first degree (1996-99, so not that long ago) there were no tuition fees - I didn't pay a penny to the University. The fees came from my Local Education Authority (LEA) which is funded by local taxation. And like pretty much every student I got a grant. Unfortunately grants were being phased out and loans phased in. But these loans were provided by the student loans company (originally underwritten by the Government) and were fixed at the rate of inflation I think - about 3.5% APR - so that they did not go up in real terms. Also, you did not start paying off your loans until you were earning the National Average Wage - about £21,000. This has meant that although I took the first loan out 9 years ago, because I did a Masters Degree and PhD followed by an education fellowship (yes I am a perpetual student ) I've only just started paying the loans off at a massive £98 per month.

    Because increasing financial pressures on universities this has all changed - now all students pay fees (about £1000 per year) and "top up" fees are being introduced. I think this is happening next year or the year after and this is up to £3000 per year depending on the University - am not sure how the loan system has changed to cope with this.

    There are two conflicting arguments about fees and top up fees depending what side of the political spectrum you stand...
    Those right of centre would argue that for high quality universities with excellent research this costs money and as the students will reap the rewards they should pay.
    Those left of centre say that education is a right not a privilege that only the wealthy can afford, and everyone benefits from an educated nation.

    This is a very brief synopsis of the UK education system (and before those from north of the border shout at me, Yes I know things are different in Scotland, but I don't know as much about that system). One thing to take into account though before all you yanks come over here, this applies to Home students (UK and EU) only. You guys in the rest of the world have always been considered fair game and pay a hell of a lot more, especially for practically based degrees (BEng., BSc. etc).

    So thevoelk, you aren't missing anything. The education is just as good here as in the US (and right about patriotic pride makes every Brit say ours is better and every Yank claim theirs is ) but we fund it very differently.

    gooberguy, I go back to my original question....What do you want to do? Maybe, a business degree is right for you, or maybe a different degree. If you don't know what you want to do (and lets face it most people fall into their jobs by chance) pick a course you like to look off in a city you want to live in - while the specifics will alter, the transferable skills will always stand you well. I'm very biased though, I loved my time at Uni so much it took me over 9 years to leave and I now indirectly work for one :P .

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    Just to chime in...in the US school beyond highschool is a joke (I've learned more reading books and browsing the net than in any college classroom)...that said, it is a necessity if you want a chance at a decent job.

    edit: just thought I'd add that what you get out of business school also depends where you settle down...good-paying business jobs are pretty hard to come by in my small-city area...
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    Originally Posted by anitract
    it is a necessity if you want a chance at a decent job.
    Ditto. As Cobra said the government is pushing for 50% of all school leavers going to University. Without a degree you to tend to just fade into the background.

    I would defend most UK universities though. Yes, some of the post '92 universities (the poly-versities ) do offer some pretty crap degrees that leave you working in McD's, but for the most the education here is pretty good.

    The problem lies in getting a good job at the end of it - especially if you've collected a lot of debt on the way. I'm a biochemist by trade (please don't point and laugh), and the pay is terrible which is why I left the lab as soon as I could. If you want to make any real money we need to make the reverse trip and do a few years working in the USA . I guess they need to pay more as you have more debt. Considered it myself too, but had a friend who went to work somewhere in California. Good experience, but employers really work you guys in to the ground. He routinely worked 8-6 and got no paid annual leave. If he wanted time off he had to build up time in lieu. That's not for me I like my 9-5 and 32 days paid annual leave (24 + 8 discretionary - a perk for working at a university).

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    eek. buisness sounds like a major and hard pain

    im also looking into law from the birgamham (spelling ) uni
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    Originally Posted by gooberguy
    eek. buisness sounds like a major and hard pain

    im also looking into law from the birgamham (spelling ) uni
    Business Studies would be FAR easier than law Especially at Birmingham (FYI: Aston Uni is also in Birmingham). If you are tempted by Law though have a look at De Montfort Uni in Leicester. Its crap for pretty much everything else but great for law. I know you said you had family near Aston Uni/Birmingham but Leicester is only about 45 mins down the M69. If you want a big city though Leicester is not for you.
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    Um, yeah, agree here. I will even go so far as to say that business is one of the easier "professional" areas you can study. I did a Business Administration & Computer Science double major at a private college and found most of the business stuff very easy; I hadn't had any prior highschool expereince with it either.

    The thing is, you can't just *POOF* get a great general business job (at least in my area). It takes a strong personality & the will to start out at the very bottom (which you will undoubtedly do unless you have excellent prior work experience). Of course, this applies to a lot of other work areas...

    Anyway, if you are serious and like working with figures and numbers, I would suggest getting an accounting major over any other business major. It is more difficult, but there are ample job opportunities (that pay well) out there for accountants. For good measure, add studies in Economics & you will have knowledge that goes pretty far in the business world.
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    after reading a majoraty of these posts, i can see that buisness is not for me. Law may be harder but seems more apealing to me. Leicester is also a nice place as my cousin and her husband live there.

    Also 2 other questions.

    if i study law in england, are there complications in studying england law and coming back to US?

    and if i get a drivers license here (USA) what are the steps in getting one in Uk?

    Thanks for all the Help!
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    Originally Posted by gooberguy
    if i study law in england, are there complications in studying england law and coming back to US?
    You'd need to do a bit of research about this. I'm not sure how the system works here never mind in the US! I think its almost like studying medicine - just cos you've got the degree it doesn't mean you can practice only that you can sit higher professional qualifications to allow you to practice. You will probably find then that a UK law degree will allow you to take these professional qualifications in the US. Also, many UK courses have specialities. So you could just do Law or Law with European Law or Law with Americal Law etc etc, all would have the same core modules but with a different final year focus.

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    and if i get a drivers license here (USA) what are the steps in getting one in Uk?
    Not too sure.... Have a look here at the DVLA site (and before you ask the right handside is in Welsh) more specifically this pdf may help

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    Thanks for all the Help!
    Anytime fella
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    ack if my computer wasnt stolen i would prolly be looking at that PDF (as my current shit comp has about 10mb free out of 1gb) but thanks for the site.

    and once again thanks for the info! :P
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