best software to edit commercials from a football game

[Jacob Grenoble]

I would like to purchase some software that would allow me to remove commercials from a tivotogo mpeg file and eventually burn to disc. I realize many people have their own opinions with regards to software choice so here are my criteria

1. ease of use
2. quality of output
3. cost

I have never done any video editing so the software should definately be less complicated.

Thanks

[Forum Troll]

Videoredo

[Jacob Grenoble]

Thanks for the info forum troll, that software looks great.

Maybe you won't be able to read this, wonder why they banned you? I am sorry if answering my question led to you being banned. Thanks again.

[wwjd]

Videoredo!

[FulciLives]

Another popular program is MPEG-VCR by Womble Multimedia

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[rfielder]

I would like to purchase some software that would allow me to remove commercials from a tivotogo mpeg file and eventually burn to disc. I realize many people have their own opinions with regards to software choice so here are my criteria

I have both VideoReDo and the TMPGEnc mpeg editor. Most of the time, I use the TMPGEnc mpeg editor. The following are my personal opinions, based on using both to remove commercials from TV shows captured with Intervideo's WinDVR 3.

Both have their strong points. The TMPGEnc mpeg editor has a superior display of the audio waveform. This is useful when you wish to cut out the commercials, including any audio from either the show or the commercial.

VideoReDo is superior when the audio in the captured file is out of sync.

Both are fast, and both will save a chapter file in case you wish to get all fancy authoring a DVD.

[wwjd]

One important difference between TDA and Videoredo is that TDA only cuts at 'I' frames and Videoredo cuts at any frame. So, if you really want to cut at a particular frame then TDA will not work.

Videoredo has a number of other uses when doing HD or TS streams as well.

[winifreid]

I use TDA. I works fine and then you can just burn the output in one step. I don't have a problem with I frames. I can cut the commercials anywhere I want.

[wwjd]

winifreid wrote:

I use TDA. I works fine and then you can just burn the output in one step. I don't have a problem with I frames. I can cut the commercials anywhere I want.

No you can not. There are up to 15 frames between each 'I' frame. Do not get me wrong, TDA is a great app and I use it extensively but after having cut out hundreds of commercials I have found that some transitions occur in fewer frames that exist between 'I' frames and the result can be distracting.

In many instances TDA will suffice but it is not frame accurate, Videoredo is and that is an important distinction.

[trhouse]

From TDA's faq page,

[rfielder]

From TDA's faq page,

That is correct - but incomplete.

VideoReDo and the TMPGEnc mpeg editor get around this by creating a new I-frame at the edit point.

You end up with some short GOP's, which is perfectly legal. The GOP definition allows for a maximum number of other frames between I-frames, but it does not define a minimum. Dropping a new I-frame anyplace works well.

Since chapter points for DVD players must also be on an I-frame, this works well, it allows you to drop the chapter point exactly where you want it - since that is the point you cut out the commerical. Or whereever else, since one (or both, I don't remember and don't have them on this PC at work) allow you to mark ANY frame and create an I-frame at that point.

[winifreid]

Since TDA is trialware, just ry it and see if it works for you. I like it because I can load my capture, quickly cut the commercials, create a simple menu and burn in just a few minutes all with one program (the program will take a while to process).

[Stormin Norman]

Cuttermaran works great also.

[trhouse]

rfielder,

TMPGEnc mpeg editor and TMPGEnc DVD Author are different programs. Here is the edit screen from TDA,



As you can see, I choose a non-I frame for a cut and receive the message shown. I found no button or screen to create a new I frame at that point.

[winifreid]

Don't know what you are doing, but when I move the slider to a point and select start frame and then select the end point and cut, it just cuts the selection. Cool and easy.

[trhouse]

The boxes above are not frames, they are GOP's containing about 15 frames each. If the slider is at the beginning of a GOP everything works fine but do you notice the blue line is not at the beginning? Then it does not.

[Denvers Dawgs]

Jacob Grenoble why not just buy the tivo recommended software Sonic Mydvd 6.1. That is the official tivo software, and the only one that has the actual tivo mpeg codec. I tried out the 14day trail version and it worked fine. Was a little slow to convert a 4.9GB project to a compliant dvd (4.37GB)about 2 1/2 hours. Worked on 8 different dvd players i tried.


1 Easy to use (first time I ever edited a tv show with software was with this trial version)

2. output looked just like a recorded tivo show.

3 price is $60

Also has anyone even tried Videoredo, TDA or any of the other recommend apps on a tivo file? or are you just giving him exaples of software that does mpeg editing?

[BobK]

The TMPGEnc mpeg editor has a superior display of the audio waveform. This is useful when you wish to cut out the commercials, including any audio from either the show or the commercial.

I've been using TMPGEnc mpeg editor for about a year. I wasn't even aware that it would display the audio waveform. How do you get it to display?

[rfielder]

I've been using TMPGEnc mpeg editor for about a year. I wasn't even aware that it would display the audio waveform. How do you get it to display?

After a video file has been loaded, right click in the video area. The context menu shows "Display audio waveform" as the fourth option, of five options available.

[rfielder]

rfielder,

TMPGEnc mpeg editor and TMPGEnc DVD Author are different programs.

Yes, they are. What is your point?

I used VideoReDo and the TMPGEnc mpeg editors with captured TV shows I wish to save. I use Pure Motion's Editstudio 5.01 for editing videos I have taped.

For DVD authoring, I use DVD Lab Pro 1.53.

When I edit a TV show, I have the program save a list of cut points as a chapter index. This is then pulled into DVD Lab Pro to set chapter marks.

In the TMPGEnc mpeg editor, you can click on ANY frame, and tell it to be a key frame. You can set the editor to convert the key frames to I frames when it encodes the output file.

[trhouse]

I was confused by your comment.

"That is correct - but incomplete."

I thought you were saying that the quote about TMPGEnc DVD Author was incomplete and that it could also cut on I, P, and B frames or that you thought the quote was about TMPGEnc mpeg editor.

[Mister Flonk-Flonk]

Womble's MPEG-VCR is just absolutely fabulous at doing this.

[Captain315]

VideoRedo, Mpeg-VCR are great programs (haven't tried the others) but one that gives you a lot of extras that make the finished product shine is MPEG VIDEO WIZARD. It is made by Womble, the same as Mpeg-VCR. It cost more but is really a good piece of software for me.

[sigpop]

Jacob Grenoble why not just buy the tivo recommended software Sonic Mydvd 6.1. That is the official tivo software, and the only one that has the actual tivo mpeg codec. I tried out the 14day trail version and it worked fine. Was a little slow to convert a 4.9GB project to a compliant dvd (4.37GB)about 2 1/2 hours. Worked on 8 different dvd players i tried.

bleh, that sonic keeps crashing on my 2 month old dell. i wasn't even burning, just doing basic stuff.

i'm at the point now where i use the etivo dump util to convert .tivo to .mpeg and now want to cut commercials, too. i'm going to try the cutterman prog since its a freebie.