With Nero, can I burn Hr&Half .avi on 1 CD?

[rinscewind]

I just bought a new DVD burner, and it came with Nero 6.0.0.21B, I have not updated yet. I have quite a few episodes of MST3K as .avi, and can only watch them on my computer as such. I made a few coasters in trying to figure out how to use Nero, and now I have only one problem (at the moment, anyway). A 701 meg, 1 hour 32 minute movie shows as needing over 800 megs space on a CD in order to burn in Nero, and the CDs I want to use (I have >100, so I won't get DVDs yet) have ~702 megs.

I've used VDub to change the file sizes, getting them down to ~575 megs (from 640x480 to 600x450, and almost no keyframes), and STILL the ~575 meg files show in Nero as needing over 800 megs. Nero shows the space needed is the exact same for the 701 meg movie as it is for one I'd edited down to ~575 megs - both show as needing 775 megs! I cropped off the credits and intro, and it seems shortening the duration of the movie is what makes Nero use less space when burning. I edited the time from 1 hour 28 min down to 1 hour 20 min, and the space needed went from 775 megs down to 711 - about 8 megs per minute.

:boggle:

Can someone help me figure how to get Nero to burn my 700 meg movies onto a single CD? I did not see a guide for this using Nero in the guide list here (long list, too), and I did not see what I needed with Google.

Also, does Nero convert the files to MPEG? And I have read both good and bad things about re-encoding with TMPEGEnc before burning with Nero, vs. letting Nero do it. Can someone give more details? Thanks!

[pfh]

The avi to vcd guides don't help?

[mats.hogberg]

You haven't read a word about how to do a proper AVI to (S)VCD conversion/authoring have you?
You'd soon have found that AVI file size has nothing to do with the space it occupies after being converted to mpeg. Bitrate used when encoding to mpg, and length (in time) of the video is what determines resulting file size.
Since the video length is fixed (if you want the whole movie in one piece) the remaining variable is bitrate. So, lower the bitrate, smaller output and lower video quality.
The next thing you'd have found is that VCD uses a fixed bitrate of 1150 kbps (some claim this is max bitrate, but all tools use 1150 as the VCD bitrate), leaving us with no variables at all - a certain length of video will always occupy a certain amount of space. A 700 MB (80 min) CD will hold close to 80 min of video. Period. End of VCD story. If that's not enough, you have to encode the source to several CD sized mpgs and use >1 CD/movie.
Now, Nero, being made for people who really don't know/care to know what they are doing, don't cater for these circumstances. Ahead can still put on the box and in their ads that they handle VCD creation.
My suggestion is that you start reading here, and try a few methods out. Don't expect immediate success, but after some experimenting you'll soon (within a couple of years) be churning out nice (S)VCD conversions of your AVIs with your hands tied behind your back! Until then, you could try EazyVCD, that, even tho my rule of thumb is to shy every app that has "Easy" or similar in its name, as it's mostly stands for "Crap", comes recommended from usually trustworthy sources.

/Mats

[rinscewind]

You haven't read a word about how to do a proper AVI to (S)VCD conversion/authoring have you?

I have read 4 or 5 guides, not counting a few of the ones I read that are listed at VideoHelp. The guides I read all show how to use programs to convert files, with a 'Click Here, Change This Setting' process. I had not read one that gave details about what I had asked. Here at VideoHelp, there are prolly a hundred guides listed, I am on dial-up, and the ones I found were really the exact same that I had read elsewhere. As I have dial-up, and each guide takes awhile to load, and I was not wanting to sit thru loading dozens just to find more of the same thing.

You answered what I asked, so thanks for taking time to.

[Abond]

If you have read them carefuly you should know that (S)VCD 800 MB can fit in 700 MB CD (80 min).

[mikesbytes]

90 minutes on one CD.....

To put more than 80mins on a VCD, you need to create a non standard VCD, known as SVCD, or you need to use a 90 or 99min CD.

Either way, you may find it difficult to get Nero to produce the disk. To create the file, look for some of the guides on video encoding and then use VCDEasy 1.5.2 to create the disk.

BTW there is someone who specialised in non standard VCD's but his solutions are not liked by many of this sites followers so I won't mention the 'K' word.

[GeorgeW]

90 minutes on one CD.....

To put more than 80mins on a VCD, you need to create a non standard VCD, known as SVCD, or you need to use a 90 or 99min CD.

I wouldn't call a non-standard VCD as SVCD. SVCD is just a different type of disc (Super VCD), as you can see in the link on the top left under "What Is". And with SVCD, you get less time per CD-R because it uses higher bitrates than VCD.

[mats.hogberg]

Some call it XVCD, just to indicate that it's out of specs VCD. But some argue that it's OK within the VCD specs to lower video bitrate, as long as you don't mind the decreased video quality.

/Mats

[drjtech]

I just bought a new DVD burner...

I'm surprised no one has suggested using DVD rather than CD.

-drj

[pfh]

He has over 100 cd's he wants to use 1st.

[drjtech]

OK, I'll suggest that he set aside his 100 CD's for other purposes and splurge on a stack of DVD's for this video project.

Why pull your hair out trying to make poor quality videos on CD just because you have $20 worth of CD's and don't want to spend $50 for 100 DVD's (equivalent to 700 CD's).

-drj

[RabidDog]

how about increase the bit rate and use two CD's ? best quality or spring for DVd's (drjtech) . Dont use nero to encode to mpeg .. it used to be badly implemented in version 5.5 and there are better programs out there to do that job with better output quality. FYI VCD is CBR MPEG1 whilst SVCD is VBR MPEG2. ALso check out CVD for later xfr to DVD (i hope all those terms are hyperlinked). Be sensible .. gift the CDrs to oxfam / spasmo shop/ younger bro and buy some DVD

[mikesbytes]

90 minutes on one CD.....

To put more than 80mins on a VCD, you need to create a non standard VCD, known as SVCD, or you need to use a 90 or 99min CD.

I wouldn't call a non-standard VCD as SVCD. SVCD is just a different type of disc (Super VCD), as you can see in the link on the top left under "What Is". And with SVCD, you get less time per CD-R because it uses higher bitrates than VCD.

Dam typo. is it because 'S' is so close to 'X' on the keyboard, or is posting after midnight just way too dangerous. Apoligies for the typo, should of read XVCD....