Pausing on Forgotten with Alternate Ending

[evt]

Hi guys,

I managed to backup the Forgotten using DVD Decrypter however I have a problem playing the version with the alternate ending it intermitently puases for a split second (at least about 15 times in the movie). I experienced no such problem with the theatrical cut.

Here's how I did it. I used Decrypter to rip it and opened up the file in Shrink. I left everything in and just removed unwanted audio tracks then I performed deep analysis and set it to sharp. After it was done I used Intervideo DVD Copy 2 to burn.

Also, I initially used Intervideo to compress but the end product seemed to skip to some point in the 2nd chapter (in either version theatrical or alternate ending). Does anyone have any idea why this happened?

Thanks in advance for the help guys.

[evt]

Update,

Rather than compressing with Shrink, I backed up the full disk of the Forgotten with no compression (minus other languages) and I used Intervideo DVD Copy 3 to compress and burn and my skipping problem was solved.

[jbelder]

Hi guys,

I managed to backup the Forgotten using DVD Decrypter however I have a problem playing the version with the alternate ending it intermitently puases for a split second (at least about 15 times in the movie). I experienced no such problem with the theatrical cut.

Here's how I did it. I used Decrypter to rip it and opened up the file in Shrink. I left everything in and just removed unwanted audio tracks then I performed deep analysis and set it to sharp. After it was done I used Intervideo DVD Copy 2 to burn.


Also, I initially used Intervideo to compress but the end product seemed to skip to some point in the 2nd chapter (in either version theatrical or alternate ending). Does anyone have any idea why this happened?

Thanks in advance for the help guys.

Thats that Sony ARcoOS Crap it puts read errors on the disc so you can't copy it but makes the movie crappy too.

[Gurm]

Ahrm.

Alternate ending is in extras. Extras are usually at the end of the disc. End of the disc is sometimes dodgy. Try it with better media maybe?

[louv68]

Hi guys,

I managed to backup the Forgotten using DVD Decrypter however I have a problem playing the version with the alternate ending it intermitently puases for a split second (at least about 15 times in the movie). I experienced no such problem with the theatrical cut.

Here's how I did it. I used Decrypter to rip it and opened up the file in Shrink. I left everything in and just removed unwanted audio tracks then I performed deep analysis and set it to sharp. After it was done I used Intervideo DVD Copy 2 to burn.

Also, I initially used Intervideo to compress but the end product seemed to skip to some point in the 2nd chapter (in either version theatrical or alternate ending). Does anyone have any idea why this happened?

Thanks in advance for the help guys.

The pauses you are getting on the alternate version are normal. Both the regular and the alternate versions use the same video stream, but the alternate version will "skip" back and forth to the extras for these scenes, causing the slight pauses. I verified that the pauses are there on my original. Now if only the movie was any good.

[louv68]

Not meaning to hijack this thread, but this brings an interesting question.
If on movies like "The Forgotten" where alternate versions skip elsewhere on the disc for those added scenes, how do you get rid of the slight pauses? I tested this by redoing the disc to include only the alternate version (no menus, extras, etc, just the movie) I thought this would cure the problem, but the pauses are still there even though it isn't "skipping" to other parts of the disc. It appears that DVDShrink sees the now imaginary "skip" and pauses in between those scenes.

Update,

Rather than compressing with Shrink, I backed up the full disk of the Forgotten with no compression (minus other languages) and I used Intervideo DVD Copy 3 to compress and burn and my skipping problem was solved.

evt,
You claim that this solved the problem. I'm a bit skeptical as the alternate version would have to skip to another part of the disc to access those scenes. This will cause a brief pause.

[Rich86]

The pauses in the alternate/extended version of "The Forgotten" appear to be in the original due to the poorly executed dynamic branching used to bounce around the dvd to insert alternate/extended scenes. This is a very poor quality original dvd movie and should be returned as defective. Don't buy it.

Friends have told me the "Ray" dvd has the same problems if you select to play the extended version on the original dvd - it is loaded with pauses, etc. interrupting the viewing pleasure of the movie. I understand this is a very good movie, however, so it is a pity that the manufacturer has put out such a poor quality dvd version of it.

[WesleyHester]

Rich86, you friends are correct about the Ray extended version. It's made worse in that case because there is an icon that appears before each addition.

Furthermore, like The Forgotten, most of the 'added' scenes are of lesser quality - mainly video quality suffers as the additional scenes weren't handled and transfered to DVD with the same care as the original feature. With the Forgotten the quality loss isn't as bad a Ray which drops to non-anamorphic. Furthermore, I haven't seen much comment on The Forgotten's added scenes which are NOT of the same quality as the original feature and vary in quality themselves. Apparently they aren't bad enough for most people to notice. Of course it is a dark movie to boot.

[Gurm]

The original X-Men was like this - lousy quality "deleted scenes" added back into the movie with a little icon that popped up. At least you had the option of NOT watching it like that, since watching it like that was FAR from a smooth experience.

[evt]

Louv68,

You are correct, I was mistaken. I originally tried my first backup without trying out the original first. I tried my first backup on my standalone and experienced the pausing. Then, when I tried my next backup method I tried the backup on my computer and the pauses where not evident (I guess due to the higher speed) and I assummed that all was well. A few days later I tried it out on my standalone and the pausing was there again. This time I tried the original and did in fact notice the pausing is there too.

[jeanl]

Just my 2 cents: to create an alternate ending that will play in a seamless manner, you have to use angles (that's exactly what they're for!). I'm not sure how the DVDs mentioned above are authored, but my guess is that they put the alternate ending in another PGC, not in another angle in the same PGC. In that case, you can't have a seamless playback (simply because the player has to skip very far from where it is when the alternate scene begins). In multi-angle PGCs, the video from all the angles (all the endings in this case) are interleaved (i.e. about 1 second of angle 1, then 1 s of angle 2 etc) and the player seamlessly jumps over the other angles (which it can do because they're located nearby in the disc)...
So yes, it's probably bad authoring...
jeanl

[doppletwo]

That pause in the alternate ending happens on the real disc you are backing up.

Test it.

[Noahtuck]

It does not for me... in the original or the backup.... and if a few people here that have given their opinion had the dvd they would know the alt. ending is NOT in the "extras".....
There are 2 version's of the film on the dvd :P

[doppletwo]

The other two scenes from the "extended" version are on the extra features though.

Noah are you playing it on a standalone or a PC?

[Noahtuck]

The other two scenes from the "extended" version are on the extra features though.

Noah are you playing it on a standalone or a PC?

Why do you want to make me go put the damn dvd in!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL!!!!!! :P
Always a standalone!!!!!!!!!!! never the pc!!!!!!!!! why would i want to watch a dvd on my 19" monitor when i have a 54" in my living room ?!?!?!

Honestly, i hardly ever look at the extra's, but i know the alt. ending is the whole movie on the dvd which is diff. from the theatrical release, just the diff. ending which i thought was the title of this thread

OT: i like the new belt buckle

[Rich86]

"The Forgotten" and "Ray" DVDs:
Both of these dvd's use dynamic branching to provide studio cut and alternate/extended versions of the movie. Both of these dvd's do a very poor job of that, resulting in varying degrees of quality, repeated scenes, and numerous pauses.
I have found that watching the studio cut versions of these movies, and then looking at the extended/alternate scenes via the "special features" option provides a much more pleasurable viewing experience. This option is available on both of these DVD's (Region 1 USA).

If you are making backup copies of your dvd versions of these movies, I would suggest taking that path also when making your backup copy.
Dealing with the erroneous and flawed data structure the manufacturer seems to have recorded on "The Forgotten" in a misguided attempt at preventing making backup copies is discussed elsewhere in this forum.