DRMA, Microsoft & Macrovision: Death Of Recording TV Sh

[Tom Saurus]

This is a link to what is planned for the future of TV:

http://news.com.com/Microsoft%2C+Macrovision+align+on+copy+protection/2100-1030_3-5557...tml?tag=cd.hed

Better not let your capture card tape your soaps to watch later, the files might self destruct before you watch them. This is depressing, at least for me. I think I will cancel all my TV Channels, when this happens and wait for everything that is possible to place on DVD to be released and then wait until I can afford to buy it. The way prices are already inflated, that could take years. I think no DVD should be allowed to cost more than 15 bucks. The older movies should all be under ten dollars. No CD should cost more than 12 bucks. That is just my oppinion. I hope prices drop, or I will have to wait decades to watch my favorite TV shows.

[bugster]

This is Copy protection at the analog level.
How long will it take for appropriate 'new macrovision' removers to be available?
If this takes off, not long would be my guess
Also not it says

The deal could make it harder for consumers to make permanent copies of TV shows and movies without permission, if they use computers running the Windows operating system.

[somebodeez]

For upcoming versions of its Microsoft's Media Center Edition operating systems, the computer will allow users to make a temporary copy that can be stored one day, but that cannot be used after that time.

In future versions of its Media software, including the version in its next Longhorn operating system, Microsoft plans to support an upcoming revision of Macrovision's technology that will allow content to be stored for just 90 minutes, or up to a week

Does that mean if someone were to not run this new Media Center Edition, they could still cap their TV shows and keep them?

[BJ_M]

kinda looks like it

[AlecWest]

This is Copy protection at the analog level.
How long will it take for appropriate 'new macrovision' removers to be available?
If this takes off, not long would be my guess
Also not it says

The deal could make it harder for consumers to make permanent copies of TV shows and movies without permission, if they use computers running the Windows operating system.

I suspect we'll see the technology defeated somehow, as you say. But, I suspect the grand rollout of this technology will not be so grand either. While film companies certainly like the idea, some media entities hate it. When people timeshift soaps or other typical shows for viewing later, especially if they use a scheduling service like Titan, it's a marketing tool that can be used by cable and broadcast networks to upgrade their ad fees.

Timeshifting has been around now for 20 years and is factored into the success or failure of a given show (and an advertiser's willingness to sponsor it). Take timeshifting away and 20 years of factoring gets flushed down the toilet of history ... forcing networks and advertisers to return to a more 70s kind of strategy. I don't think networks or advertisers want that ... and they'll do everything in their power to prevent it or, at least, slow down the process.

When this technology does roll out, I suspect its use will be limited to feature films.

[BobV]

Maybe it's time to think about an alteritive OS.

[BJ_M]

Maybe it's time to think about an alteritive OS.

long way to go

https://www.videohelp.com/awstatisticsjan2005/awstats.videohelp.com.osdetail.html

[Nilfennasion]

The Media Centre system is doomed to failure simply by the fact that it is a Microsoft product. VCRs and DVD-Video players (to a lesser extent) are products one can switch on and just expect to work. Microsoft products have proven to be demonstrably incapable of reaching anywhere near that kind of reliability. Many electronics devices that run on Microsoft technology have proven notoriously unreliable or overly consumptive of power. The Sega Dreamcast ran on Windows CE. UltimateTV was edged out by TiVo and other, more reliable competitors. Outside of the one industry that they virtually own, they are unable to compete. With the revenue from that industry beginning to dry up, it is only a matter of time.

[bazooka]

This is Copy protection at the analog level.
How long will it take for appropriate 'new macrovision' removers to be available?
If this takes off, not long would be my guess
Also not it says

The deal could make it harder for consumers to make permanent copies of TV shows and movies without permission, if they use computers running the Windows operating system.

My thoughts exactly....It will be bypassed.

[BJ_M]

well - you must have never used an embedded windows product -- there are 1000's of them and ive never seen one go down because of the OS ... super stable as anything else

windows has the problems you describe for two reasons ..

one. mismatch of hardware
two. people mucking around in the software



both of these reasons will bring any os to its knees at some point ..

[djelimon]

Time to alter the settings on my Windows update

[rkgibbons]

The anti-Microsoft rants get a little tired...

As indicated above, in almost every case where there's a problem, it's usually related to incompatible hardware or some moron mucking about with settings they don't understand.

I've been up and running on the Windows platform for many years (3d animation, video editing, networking...all stuff that pushes the limits) and I just haven't experienced all the crashing and problems that the Linux and Macintosh crowd seems to love talking about -- at least not after my hardware peripherals were installed correctly.

As for Microsoft being a one-trick pony, well, come on...that's just ridiculous. They dominate the operating system market (Windows). They dominate the office suite market (Office). They dominate the presentation market (PowerPoint). They dominate the instant messaging market (MSN Messenger). They dominate the application development market (Visual Studio .NET). The have a pretty strong offering in the application server market (IIS). They dominate the home gaming market...

Look at PlayStation...only two years ago they were at the top of the heap...but now they're getting towel-whipped in the shower by the X-Box.

[EvilWizardGlick]

The anti-Microsoft rants get a little tired...

As indicated above, in almost every case where there's a problem, it's usually related to incompatible hardware or some moron mucking about with settings they don't understand.

I've been up and running on the Windows platform for many years (3d animation, video editing, networking...all stuff that pushes the limits) and I just haven't experienced all the crashing and problems that the Linux and Macintosh crowd seems to love talking about -- at least not after my hardware peripherals were installed correctly.

As for Microsoft being a one-trick pony, well, come on...that's just ridiculous. They dominate the operating system market (Windows). They dominate the office suite market (Office). They dominate the presentation market (PowerPoint). They dominate the instant messaging market (MSN Messenger). They dominate the application development market (Visual Studio .NET). The have a pretty strong offering in the application server market (IIS). They dominate the home gaming market...

Look at PlayStation...only two years ago they were at the top of the heap...but now they're getting towel-whipped in the shower by the X-Box.

Say what about the XBox? The last five or so games we bought for my son were PS2. Because there were no good XBox games out there.
Sony will be releasing their handheld system that is rumored to be simply awesome.
Clearly Gates is running a windows os in your head. Hopefully your family will get together and reprogram you before the cult of Microsoft gains total control.
Microsoft sucks, but they have a current monopoly on software. Isn't that and sleazy business practices why they were sued by US attorney generals and foriegn countries?
People tend to forget recent history.

[Scooter_NJ]

This is why they can pry my SVHS and BETAMAX (yes, Betamax) multiple VCR's out of my cold, dead hands!!!! In Beta1S or SP SVHS or even Hi8 SP the recorded images look damn fine!!!

Now the only issue is, HDTV/Digital..well..then I'm screwed!

[bugster]

The anti-Microsoft rants get a little tired...

I see one post in this thread that is specific about being anti MS, and one that is pro. Lets leave it at that and keep this thread about Copy protection, where it started.