for all the people in arizona!!! Learn to read

[glockjs]

gas line near tucson broke again. go fill up your tanks! just a friendly head up

[budz]

hey long time no see glockjs.....what happened to your car?

[Roundabout]

Thx for the info, glock...

The last time that happened in AZ, the price here in CA went up $0.15 overnight. Time to go fill up...

[glockjs]

yeah i know, i was in vegas and the prices went sky high. stupid gas companys.


wut up budz...im rollin the saturn now. sold the recovered civic for what i baught the saturn for. now im workin for 18" niche bella's and a hydrolic setup for the saturn. try to steal my car now when it's layin the ground f'ers!

[Roundabout]

They got us by the short hairs and there's nothing we can do about it, there's not enough competition anymore. Back when I was a kid, there were plenty of 'off price' no-name stations selling gas cheaper than the majors, and in the past 20 yrs or so, they've almost all been driven out of business or bought out by the major oil cos.

Most of the time when I was growing up, gas was around 25c a gallon, no one worried about the price. Kinda sucks, now that we're old enough to enjoy driving, it costs an arm and a leg. Our parents had it easy, at least for this particular issue.

Anyway, the price here (So.Cal) today hasn't gone up yet, the lowest in this area is $1.77/gal. at a few stations. That's still the lowest it's been in months. The oil cos. must be looking for a way to get the price back up over $2.00 again, maybe this is the excuse they need

Here's the article you referred to:

Gas pipeline feeding state forced to shut down
Jan. 10, 2005 05:43 PM

Operators of two pipelines that bring gasoline from California refineries to neighboring Western states have shut down the lines as a safety precaution because of record rainfall in California.

Houston-based pipeline operator Kinder Morgan Energy Partners shut the line down Sunday. In a fax sent Monday, the company cited "pipeline washouts and other related difficulties."

The pipelines - including one that supplies Arizona with about 70 percent of its gasoline, diesel and jet fuel - transports gasoline to Arizona and Nevada as well as military bases and airports.

Kinder Morgan said there were no immediate supply issues and no known leaks. The company said the pipelines would turned back on after they could be inspected and deemed safe.

Because it has no gasoline refineries, Arizona must import all its gas; all the demand is filled by Kinder Morgan. What isn't piped in through Southern California is delivered through another line from El Paso that goes through Tucson to Phoenix.

Last summer, the El Paso-to-Phoenix pipeline had shut down because of a rupture in Tucson. The closure forced some gas stations to close, led to long lines and sent prices skyrocketing.

[glockjs]

yeah they got us. its all b.s. nothin we can do though. but im not complainin too much. the satty gets over 30 mpg. 10 gallon fill dont hurt too much all these suv drivin slobs are fun to point and laugh at when this type of stuff happens. we could always get electric or natural gas cars but the gas companys are trying to keep those technologys at bay. or we could just not buy gas for a week or two to show the gas companys that we're not playin around. but that wont happen. it's almost worth blaming society for our own downfalls

[budz]

glockjs wrote

im rollin the saturn now. sold the recovered civic for what i baught the saturn for. now im workin for 18" niche bella's and a hydrolic setup for the saturn. try to steal my car now when it's layin the ground f'ers!

good to see you're back and that you sold your recovered civic for another car....hydrolic's eh you're pumping....you should have had MTV PIMP YOUR RIDE! dammit i wish they could PIMP my RIDE.....

[HatchetMan]

Haven't noticed an increase yet, just paid $1.759

[Capmaster]

I wonder if Indo was in a pursuit and accidenally shot up the gas pipe?

[budz]

Haven't noticed an increase yet, just paid $1.759

hah $1.75 is nothing, in hawaii we pay $2.33 for regular gas and preminum is like almost $2.50.....i gas up at costco since reg. gas is only $2.18......we have the highest cost of gasoline in the nation...

[bugster]

Haven't noticed an increase yet, just paid $1.759

hah $1.75 is nothing, in hawaii we pay $2.33 for regular gas and preminum is like almost $2.50.....i gas up at costco since reg. gas is only $2.18......we have the highest cost of gasoline in the nation...

Stop your whining until you start paying UK type prices for Petrol, you lucky beggars!!!!! :P

(BTW, regular unleaded is ~80pence per litre at the mo, and its just come down. I can't be bothered to do an accurate conversion but that is around £3.50 or a little over $6.00 per US gallon, so think yourselves VERY lucky!)

[BJ_M]

i was thinking the same thing - cost of gas in USA is very cheap still , we pay from 80-90 cents a liter here , about equal to $3.00 US

[shoozleboy]

WOW! Has it shot back up that much in Canada already? I was just in Toronto a month ago and it was 68 cents a litre.... 15% rise in 4 weeks?

I had seen it as low as $1.60 a gallon in Harrisburg, PA just a few weeks ago, and noticed that it has inched it's way back up again to $1.79 as of today.

Funny thing is when they announced large amounts of reserves because of the warmer than usual northeastern weather, the price shot up! In a supply and demand economy, it should have gone down. We have yet to see any real sustained cold weather yet and we are half way through January already! It's like they are raising the prices in anticipation and not because they are low on supply.... milking more money out of the consumer.

(this whole topic just reminded me - I have to go and call my LP supplier and get a delivery done this week.... tanks are down to 25%)

[BJ_M]

in Toronto - gas can go from 68cents to 86cents a liter in one hour ...

not unusual here

[BJ_M]

that is why when i see it is a news item in usa that gas changed by 5cents a GALLON - it seems kinda funny ..

gas prices here for a long time seem some kinda game .. everyone complains but nothing you can do about it ..

i saw gas in NY for 2.20 a gallon at christmas for reg .. that was pretty high ... i thought

[thecoalman]

One of the reasons fuel prices are a little more stable in the U.S. is....... http://www.fe.doe.gov/programs/reserves/

[BJ_M]

yea -- well not as much of a concern here, we have our own reserves :

Canada's Oil Reserves
2nd Only To Saudi Arabia

By Campion Walsh
Dow Jones Newswires
Petroleumworld.com



The U.S. government said Thursday Canada holds the world's second-largest oil reserves, taking into account Alberta oil sands previously considered too expensive to develop.

The Energy Information Administration, the statistical wing of the U.S. Department of Energy, has included recent private sector estimates that an additional 175 billion barrels of oil could be recovered from resources known to exist in Western Canada since the 19th Century.

At a briefing on this year's EIA International Energy Outlook, EIA Administrator Guy Caruso cited a December report in the Oil and Gas Journal that raised Canada's proven oil reserves to 180 billion bbls from 4.9 billion bbls, thanks to inclusion of the oil sands - also known as tar sands - now considered recoverable with existing technology and market conditions.

"Canada will be producing a lot of oil from the development of these tar sands, but the quality of those reserves differs substantially from the Saudi reserves in terms of cost and ability to bring...the productive capacity on in a meaningful way," Caruso said.

"There is a difference in the absolute amount versus the ability to turn that into productive capacity," he said.

The latest estimates put Canada ahead of war-torn Iraq, which the EIA estimates holds 112.5 billion bbls and is constrained from raising production for entirely different reasons. The U.S. agency estimates Saudi Arabia's recoverable oil reserves at 264 billion bbls.

The EIA projects Canadian oil sands could produce 2.2 million barrels a day by 2025 compared with the current level of about 700,000 b/d, which already represents more than a fourth of total Canadian output of 3.1 million b/d.

Canadian Industry Sees More Oil Sands Potential

The Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers estimates current projects will raise Alberta oil sands production to 1 million b/d this year, and continuing development will raise it further to 1.8 million b/d by 2010, according to CAPP Vice President Greg Stringham.

Current oil sands projects are economically viable at crude oil prices of $18-$20 a barrel, though the quality of oil produced can vary according to whether production comes from "in situ" reserves that require drilling assisted by steam-injection pressure or from simple mining, Stringham said.

CAPP's own estimate of Canada's recoverable oil sands is 315 billion bbls - 20% from mining and the rest from steam-assisted drilling.

"There's clearly a lot of the stuff in the ground," said David Pursell, oil-sector analyst with Houston-based investment bank Simmons & Co. But the commercial viability of the reserves is sensitive to oil prices, technology and public policy, Pursell said.

Among political complications are the additional carbon dioxide emissions from production and processing of the tarry substance. Stringham said despite Canada's ratification of the Kyoto Protocol limiting carbon dioxide emissions, the industry expects the international agreement to add only 25 cents to 30 cents a barrel to development costs through 2012.

Oil sands development, which relies heavily on natural gas, could benefit from development and pipeline transport of large Arctic gas reserves in Alaska's North Slope and Canada's Mackenzie Delta, which under current proposals could be on-stream by 2010, the CAPP official said.

While cautious about the new reserve estimates, Pursell said oil sands may be "a good contrarian investment" at a time most energy investors are focused on natural gas. "It's a good potential source of hydrocarbons in this hemisphere," he said.

The EIA report is availabe on the Internet at: www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/ieo/index.html


http://www.petroleumworld.com/story1129.htm

[thecoalman]

yea -- well not as much of a concern here, we have our own reserves :

That differs from the link I pointed too, that reserve is stockpiled and ready for use. At any point in time the government can dump it into the supply....

Another reason oil is cheaper is the unmined coal reserves. Using todays figures the US can power itself entirely with coal for something like 150 years.

U.S. coal reserves are equivalent to four times the oil of Saudi Arabia, 1.3 times the oil of OPEC and equal to all the world's proved oil reserves.

I've read that the worldwide reserves of oil will run out in as little as 30 years, I think the biggest figure I saw was 100 years but even the author pointed out that was very optimistic. Oil is going no where but
up.

[shoozleboy]

That's it!! I'm writing to our President - we need to invade Canada next!!

(just kidding - don't turn this into a taboo political debate! )

[glockjs]

who changed my title? i didnt say "Learn to read"

is a mod messin with me? or somebody got to my password that im changin right now

[offline]

T'was me glockjs. Just j/k

[glockjs]

T'was me glockjs. Just j/k

i knew it

[stiltman]

I noticed that too. Also noticed that there wasn't an edit time listed under your first post, so it had to be a mod....Thought it was Cap though

[bazooka]

Oh look,

Another run by water ballooning

[Roundabout]

glock,

Looks like you're o.k. after all:


Closed pipeline hasn’t affected Valley gas supplies

As long as motorists don’t panic and unnecessarily head to the pump, there should be plenty of gas to go around despite the closure of a Kinder Morgan Energy Partners pipeline that brings gasoline to the Valley, said David Cowley, spokesman for AAA Arizona.

A Kinder Morgan spokesman said the pipeline could be reopened as early as Friday.

Gas prices haven’t increased here as news of the closure spread; in fact, prices have continued heading downward, Cowley said.

Since Monday, the average price for regular unleaded in the East Valley has dropped from $1.80 per gallon to $1.79 per gallon, he said.

"People seem to be taking this one pretty much in stride from what we can tell," Cowley said. "We’ve told folks there is a lot of gas in storage at the tank. We were in pretty good shape because prices have been so low. So there has been plenty of gas."

Kinder Morgan closed its west line on Sunday after heavy rains in California made the earth around the line unstable. The line feeds gasoline from Los Angeles refineries to a storage barn in the West Valley.

Kinder Morgan said in a statement that improvements in the weather have allowed the company to make progress in assessing the closed pipelines. Inspection teams are working to determine the full effect of the washouts along the pipeline systems and to confirm the strength of the pipeline, said Kinder Morgan spokesman Rick Rainey.

There has been no release of product, he said. A line that runs to Las Vegas also was closed.

"At this point what we’re looking at is we’re expecting most of our lines to be back in service this Friday barring any unforeseen problems . . . ," Rainey said. "As the water recedes, we’re able to see a little bit more. We’re not anticipating any supply problems in any of the markets served by these lines, at least for the short term."

Crews will be working around the clock to restart service as soon as possible, he said.

"It’s mostly a matter of filling in under those pipes because it washed out," Cowley said. "They just don’t want to fill them up and then have them sag and break."

When Kinder Morgan first closed the pipeline, there was a supply for five to six days of regular unleaded gas already in the Valley and waiting to be trucked to various stations if needed, he said.

"There’s even more than that, almost two weeks of premium gas," Cowley said. "We have used up two days of that and we still have three or four days of fuel left out there and they’re estimating somewhere between one and two days to get a load of gas back through the pipe again. Under normal usage we’re good for three or four more days, and even longer if you want to put premium in your BMW."

In the meantime, it’s up to drivers not to create a shortage, he said.

"Most of the gas of the last shortage ended up just sitting in people’s tanks in their cars," he said. "They overfilled and that’s where it all went. There have been no spikes in usage at all, which we are very grateful for. It keeps us in good shape."

[glockjs]

i was just postin off word of mouth thats all. didnt read anything or see anything in the news before i posted. just an insiders heads up is all.

btw its rare that i use caps at all. im still wonderin who put Learn to read..a holio

[stiltman]

T'was me glockjs. Just j/k

[glockjs]

so it's been a long week