Perfect Xvid Bitrate.

[oldschool]

I"m almost sure this has been asked before but after doing a search I couldn't find anything on the subject.
Lets say I had a ton of hard drive space and I wanted to ripp all of the movies that I legally bought to my hard drive.
Useing Xvid if I didn't want to lose any detail but I also didn't want to waste a drop of hard drive space, what would be the perfect xvid bitrate?

Also would this perfect bitrate work the same way for ripping a vhs or a cable tv show useing a audio/video to DV converter?

Also are their any flaws in xvid that would make it not worth ripping dvd's to it. The goal to have a perfect rip.

Thank you for your time and insite.

[monzie]

OK, lets start with 'losing detail'...please define what you mean....Or to put it another way..how GOOD are your eyes? You will ALWAYS lose some 'detail' but wether or not you can see it is a different matter.

You dont mention what resolution you are going to make your Xvids..so please enlighten us...and are your source NTSC or PAL?

You have not mentioned pixel ratios which of course comes into play in mpg to avi conversions....why not?

Are you doing a single or multipass?

The only real flaws in XVID are the users who dont know what to do.......and ask silly questions WITHOUT understanding the basics...........

TYPICAL QUESTIONS> what is the best codec/encoder/single click answer/fastest/easiest BUT best results....blah blah blah

ANSWER: BUY the ******* DVD.


Was this sort of tone necessary? Direct swearing in main topics is not
acceptable. Those that bash newbies may find themselves BANNED
without warning.

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[oldschool]

Holy freaken cow.
Maybe i'm not as smart as you. I"m sorry to insalt you with my dumbness.
If anyone who is not as mean as this guy wants to give me any hints or tips I would be more then willing to learn. I came to learn even if that means learning a whole lot. It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I didn't understand how big the subject it.

As far as "buy the dvd" goes. I don't copy movies that I dont' legal own. I merly enjoy having my movies on my hard drive for easy viewing.
Are you always this rude monzie?

[mats.hogberg]

I'm no expert on the subject, but usually DVD rips (be they DivX or XviD) weigh in at around 700 MB/1.5 hrs (meaning most movies fit one CD). Of cource, it's not as good as the real thing, but good enough. I think the fora at doom9 is a better place to get expert help with DivX/XviD settings.

/Mats

[offline]

If your new to Divx/Xvid encoding or you just
want a simple method of producing AVI, you
might want to try Fairuse - it does excellent Xvid
or Divx encodes from DVD's with just a few
mouse clicks.

It is free (Donation preferred) but bandwidth expenses have forced
the authors to charge a small fee if downloading
from their website. You can get a older copy to
evaluate for a limited time from

https://www.videohelp.com/~offline/Files/

or get the latest demo from:

http://fairuse.free.fr/Release/FU-Setup_demo.exe

[CaseyComb]

AutoGK is quite good as well...better in my opinion.

[junkmalle]

I"m almost sure this has been asked before but after doing a search I couldn't find anything on the subject.
Lets say I had a ton of hard drive space and I wanted to ripp all of the movies that I legally bought to my hard drive.
Useing Xvid if I didn't want to lose any detail but I also didn't want to waste a drop of hard drive space, what would be the perfect xvid bitrate?

Also would this perfect bitrate work the same way for ripping a vhs or a cable tv show useing a audio/video to DV converter?

Also are their any flaws in xvid that would make it not worth ripping dvd's to it. The goal to have a perfect rip.

Thank you for your time and insite.

If you don't need to make files of a specific size (ie, to fit on a CD) Don't bother with bitrates. Use single pass quantization mode -- essentially constant quality. Pick the quality you're happy with (1 to 31, lower value is higher quality) and encode. I usually use 3. The results are as good as two-pass variable bitrate but with only one pass.

[jntaylor63]

If sapce is not an issue:

Set your size to 3.9 gigs in AutoGK. That will give the max size for a Xvid @ AC3 audio in an AVI file. If its overkill, AutoGK will make the file smaller. You can look at the log, it will say the the compression level will be in the 100's. At that point, I think AutoGK knows it doesn't need all the space. the only issue is that most DVD / DivX players can't play files over 2 gigs due to the disk format issue. (ISO Only Discs)

I LOVE AutoGK. I am starting to look at it to back-up movies to a single DVD-R that would take to much transcode / re encoding.

I can only play them on my PC for now.

[monzie]

I"m almost sure this has been asked before but after doing a search I couldn't find anything on the subject.
Lets say I had a ton of hard drive space and I wanted to ripp all of the movies that I legally bought to my hard drive.
Useing Xvid if I didn't want to lose any detail but I also didn't want to waste a drop of hard drive space, what would be the perfect xvid bitrate?

Also would this perfect bitrate work the same way for ripping a vhs or a cable tv show useing a audio/video to DV converter?

Also are their any flaws in xvid that would make it not worth ripping dvd's to it. The goal to have a perfect rip.

Thank you for your time and insite.

Hold on a minute, if my answer seemed 'off' then lets have a look at your ORIGINAL questions.

"Lets say I had a ton of hard drive space and I wanted to ripp all of the movies that I legally bought to my hard drive."

Well why not just use DVDDecrypter? Why use xvid at all???????????

"Also are their any flaws in xvid that would make it not worth ripping dvd's to it. The goal to have a perfect rip."

I'll ask again, what res are you going to use for the xvid? And secondary what audio?

And what about your title question? Perfect Bitrate?

How can that be answered when you wont give the information I asked for?

How about laying off slagging me off and helping yourself?

Everything I said is 100% true..so stop being 'hard done to' and grow up a little eh? (are you a baby?). I cant give you the answers if you wont give out the info can I?????????????

Grow up.

As for the mod...OK my last line was harsh..but honest, as was my complete post.

You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning. Drop the attitude, and stop being rude to other users.
/ Moderator Cobra

***Warning expired***

[oldschool]

Thank you junkmalle. I will give that a try.
Right now I use DVDX. I've made some good rips, but I think I used to high of a bitrate and waisted space needlessly. I have alot of space (500 gigs) but I don't have endless space.
Thank you again to everyone who was helpful.
~Oldschool

[junkmalle]

Thank you junkmalle. I will give that a try.
Right now I use DVDX. I've made some good rips, but I think I used to high of a bitrate and waisted space needlessly. I have alot of space (500 gigs) but I don't have endless space.
Thank you again to everyone who was helpful.
~Oldschool

You're welcome, Oldschool. Let me know what you end up using. I find that Q=2 is almost identical to the original DVD (comparing still frames), Q=3 will show a little macroblocking in fast action scenes but you don't really notice at normal playback speed. I usually reduce the image size to 640x480 (or whatever it takes to keep aspect ratio with widescreen). At Q=3 average bitrates can be anywhere from about 800 to 4000 kbps depending on the material.

[oldschool]

awesome thank you.
I'll keep you updated

[jimmalenko]

How about laying off slagging me off and helping yourself?

Everything I said is 100% true..so stop being 'hard done to' and grow up a little eh? (are you a baby?). I cant give you the answers if you wont give out the info can I?????????????

Grow up.

As for the mod...OK my last line was harsh..but honest, as was my complete post.

You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning. Drop the attitude, and stop being rude to other users.
/ Moderator Cobra

Not everyone's a f**kin' rocket scientist like you, monzie. Be a bit more considerate - recommend reading certain areas of the site etc etc etc, but "Buy the ******* DVD" ? I think he already did that Pay someone out if they are ignorant and/or deserve it - but give them a chance to learn first

[monzie]

Point taken, Jim.."I'm a doctor not a magician" (McCoy).

[Sabro]

I've since moved to burning DVDs, but for the longest time did vcds (xvid) and had great results using Easy VCD.

I never found a perfect 1 for all bitrate since it varies alot depending on the length of the movie and etc. So the bitrate for one movie might be great, but use it for a longer movie and the quality is terrible.

Try Easy VCD with these options and let it calc the bitrate for you :

Encoding Quality : Normal
Ecoding Type : XVCD
X(S)VCD CD Type : 80 Min 700MB CD-R
X(S)VCD CD Amount : 1

Even if you don't want to use this app for the actual process you can get a good idea of a decent bitrate for video and audio based on the number of CDs and encoding quality you want.

Sabro

[sammie]

Actually, there is a non-newbie side to this question. 250 Gig hard drives are pretty cheap and widely available these days. Seems like it is getting close to the time where you can have a video jukebox with a big chunk of your video library always at your fingertips, even a complete back up disk for under $200.

I think I understand what the original poster was intending to ask, so phrasing it a bit better. Let's assume two video sources; DVD rips and VHS captures. You want to keep them pretty much at full resolution so you can play them on your media center PC directly to your HD plasma monitor . Most XVID/DiVX/Whatever encodes are aimed at fitting something that is ok or good enough on to 1 or 2 CDs. Throw out that limitation and assume anything up to say <4G (otherwise as mentioned just use the ripped MPEG2 file) is reasonable. What would you do to make the best quality encode?

I hate resizing so I would probably stick with 720x480 for DVDs and whatever the native capture resolution is for my capture chipset. Now what bitrate? I'm not aware of any good utilities to determine the most efficient or "best" bitrate for MPEG4, everything is aimed at fit to disk, and minimal acceptable....... jntaylor63's idea is interesting, but I just hate CQ encodeing. I'm an old VCD guy and I just cringe at wasting bitrate. Is there a rate at wich VBR MPEG4s' "saturate"? Is a very high bitrate MPEG4 of a video capture better than say the equivalent MPEG2 bitrate? Some good questions that with huge hard drives and HD/Blu disks coming out are worth discussing.

[sammie]

..... as Sanbro noted there is really no such thing as the perfect bitrate. So ideally you would want something like the Q level with CCE, or maybe a multipass CQ (is there such a beast already that I've missed? I don't do a lot of MPEG4).