NTSC TO PAL (guides already looked at)

[newcomers]

Hi guys,

I have searched through these forums and noticed the same question asked many times, but there seems to be a lot of unfinished ways of doing this.

I have some ntsc dvd's that id like to convert to pal. I have tried using dvd santa, nero, patch methods etc but they all result in a jerky dvd and messes up menus.

What is the best way to convert an ntsc dvd to pal (without any jerkyness, and without messing up menu's etc..I dont even mind if I have to lose the menu's, as long as the dvd is functional and plays correctly). I know there is no easy way of doing this, so what Im looking for (if possible) is a step by step guide to do this.

Also, how will I know if the original dvd is progressive or interlaced?

I have also heard of a program called procoder2, and many people say this will do what im looking for, but it comes at a price. Does anyone know if this will do the conversion without jerkyness etc?

Many thanks for your time

P.S My tv does not support ntsc, thats why I need to convert them

[Baldrick]

dvd2svcd(dvd2dvd) can convert ntsc to pal. click on it for guides.

[rhegedus]

You don't need to convert NTSC to PAL.

Your PAL spec DVD player will handle it just fine and probably convert to PAL anyway.

If you don't have a region crack your DVD player, you just need to RIP the DVD to temove the region protection and then re-burn to DVDR.

[Baldrick]

P.S My tv does not support ntsc, thats why I need to convert them

many dvd players can't convert ntsc to pal.

[Gurm]

1. You can't keep the menus. Sorry about this. It's a requested feature for DVD-Rebuilder, so it might happen in the future, but for now plan on doing a movie-only encode.

2. Here are the rough steps:

a. Rip just the movie.
b. Demux
c. Convert
d. Mux
e. Burn

The complex part is the "convert" phase. I imagine that you've tried all the 'simple converters' and found them lacking, eh? Well, pretty much all you need is TMPGEnc, or something similar, but you'll need to twiddle with the settings.

Of course your source is 720x480 and your destination will be 704x536 or whatever. That's a given. But also your source will be 30fps and your destination will be 25fps - that's a source of a lot of the 'jitters' you spoke of. That's where those guides will become very helpful.

[newcomers]

I have tried every guide on here and they all produce the stuttery/judder thing....do you know if procoder or dvd2svcd have the same results or do they produce judder free copies?

Thanks again guys

[guns1inger]

If you have 30fps footage, you need to go through 2 steps. First, apply an inverse 3:2 pull down to return the original 24 fps. Then speed the footage up slightly to 25 fps. If you simply try to slow the frame rate down, you will get 'judder'.

If you have 24 fps footage, skip the first step and simply speed up the footage to 25 fps.

Procoder has a pulldown filter, but not an inverse pulldown.

I don't know what this is like, but it claims to do what you want - http://converter.stratopoint.com/

[junkmalle]

If the NTSC video is 23.997 fps:

1) Use VirtualDubMPEG to convert the video to AVI at the same frame rate and resize to 720x480. Don't bother including the audio.

2) Then use AVIFrate to change the frame rate to 25. AVIFrate only changes the value in the header of the AVI file so all frames from the original will still be in the AVI file -- it will just play 4 percent faster.

3) Now that the video is running faster you have to make the audio run 4 percent faster. Demux the audio from the DVD and Use an editor like CoolEditPro to make it run 4 percent faster.

4) Convert the new AVI and WAV back to MPEG 2.

If the NTSC video is 29.97 fps and originally shot on film you may be able to inverse telecine to 23.997 fps. This can be done in the first step with VirtualDubMPEG.

[newcomers]

How will I know if the ntsc dvd is 29.97 or 29.977?

Cheers

[Baldrick]

I have tried dvd2svcd and it worked fine. It does everything for you. Changes the framerate and changes the audio speeeeeed.

[Gurm]

If the NTSC video is 23.997 fps:

1) Use VirtualDubMPEG to convert the video to AVI at the same frame rate and resize to 720x480. Don't bother including the audio.

2) Then use AVIFrate to change the frame rate to 25. AVIFrate only changes the value in the header of the AVI file so all frames from the original will still be in the AVI file -- it will just play 4 percent faster.

3) Now that the video is running faster you have to make the audio run 4 percent faster. Demux the audio from the DVD and Use an editor like CoolEditPro to make it run 4 percent faster.

4) Convert the new AVI and WAV back to MPEG 2.

If the NTSC video is 29.97 fps and originally shot on film you may be able to inverse telecine to 23.997 fps. This can be done in the first step with VirtualDubMPEG.

ARGH! So basically you're advocating going from MPG2->AVI->MPG2? YUUUUUUUUK.

[lordsmurf]

xesdeeni's guides

[newcomers]

Ok, I used procoder2 (standalone) to convert from ntsc to pal and the video is superb and does not stutter (not that ive noticed so far) but.........the audio is very quiet and it sounds like there is hissing and background noise....is there a way to make the audio louder and remove the hissing in procoder2 like some sort of setting?

Cheers guys, I appreciate your help

[Gurm]

My biggest gripe with Procoder 2 is its horrible audio. In fact, I can't find a way to get it to use an external wave file as an audio source - I don't think it can do it (please tell me how if it can!).

What I do, when using Procoder, is to demux the source, run the conversion, and remux the results.

- Gurm

[newcomers]

Gurm I know this may sounds cheeky but would it be possible to give me a step by step guide on how you do it?

No worries if you cant

Thanks

[Gurm]

Uhh... yeah...

You take the source video and demux it (you may need to use AVISynth's DMPEGDEC for this if it's a DVD image). Save the audio off somewhere.

Then let Procoder do the conversion on the video, but tell it to just throw away the audio. Best if you can just rip the audio off entirely and save the project without any audio.

Then at the end, use an authoring program to add the audio back in.

Pain in the ass, isn't it? I wish someone would make a good NTSC->PAL DVD tool once and for all.

[newcomers]

ok sorry to sound stupid, but could you please tell me:

1) how to demux it (what programs I need to use and how to use it to demux)

2) how to get procoder to throw away the audio and only convert the video

3) I think I know how to author it, I just use tmgenc to add the 2 files right??

Also, when demuxing the audio, will the program slow the audio down to be in perfect sync with the video?

Thanks again

[guns1inger]

Alternative Audio in Procoder 2

Add a video using the Add button (OK, obvious)
Under Source Parameters (Window on the right), scroll down until you find the Audio section. The first line should be a drop down currently set at Original Audio. Either Click on this, and select Alternate Audio from the list or click on the ... icon at the end of the line below it, and select a new audio track. This should now be used.

[newcomers]

excellent!!

so firstly, how do i go about demuxing the audio and video, and also adjusting the audio from ntsc to pal so it syncs up?

If I add the newly made audio source to procoder, wont it then try and modify the audio again or will it just leave it as it is?

Cheers

[Gurm]

Alternative Audio in Procoder 2

Add a video using the Add button (OK, obvious)
Under Source Parameters (Window on the right), scroll down until you find the Audio section. The first line should be a drop down currently set at Original Audio. Either Click on this, and select Alternate Audio from the list or click on the ... icon at the end of the line below it, and select a new audio track. This should now be used.

Nope, the first line of audio for me is "channels: stereo". No pulldown. Maybe my version of Procoder 2 isn't complete?

[Noahtuck]

I have tried dvd2svcd and it worked fine. It does everything for you. Changes the framerate and changes the audio speeeeeed.

Will this work for PAL To NTSC Conversion also ??
Thanks

[Baldrick]

noahtuck: Nope.

[Noahtuck]

noahtuck: Nope.

We need a program like DVD Shrink That would do it
Why would they make a program that converts NTSC to PAL but not vice versa

Are there any programs that will do PAL To NTSC, even if it's just the movie without the menus ?? In one step, audio & video, that is good quality ?
Thanks Again

[newcomers]

Baldrick, thank you so much for telling me about dvd2svcd!!!

I just converted from ntsc to pal using that it has worked brilliantly....the picture quality is superb and so is the sound....kinf of hoped it would work, it took 22 hours to convert it!!!!

Thanks a lot for the input tho guys, I really really appreciate it


1 more quick question tho....say I have a ready made dvd ready for burning, and it contains vts_01_0.* vts_01_1.* vts_02_0.* etc etc..if I wanted to remove one of the those vts_* because it had like a tralier before the film, how would I go about doing it...I take it its not as simple as just deleting the vts_* files is it?

Cheers guys

[MOVIEGEEK]

@newcomers,
You can use DVDFab or DVDRebuilder.

[Gurm]

Did DVD Rebuilder finally add this functionality? I remember it being talked about as a "wishlist" feature about 6 months back...

[jyn999]

Baldrick, thank you so much for telling me about dvd2svcd!!!

I just converted from ntsc to pal using that it has worked brilliantly....the picture quality is superb and so is the sound....kinf of hoped it would work, it took 22 hours to convert it!!!!

Thanks a lot for the input tho guys, I really really appreciate it


1 more quick question tho....say I have a ready made dvd ready for burning, and it contains vts_01_0.* vts_01_1.* vts_02_0.* etc etc..if I wanted to remove one of the those vts_* because it had like a tralier before the film, how would I go about doing it...I take it its not as simple as just deleting the vts_* files is it?

Cheers guys

DVD Shrink (in Re-author mode) will allow you to selectively remove trailers and other extras
but you lose all menus.

[guns1inger]

To Gurm,

If I load up Procoder 2.0 and click add, and select a file, I now have the following under Source Parameters

Video - select video stream
Source - basic details about file location, run time, type
Video - resolution, framerate, codec etc.
Audio - Select Audio Stream, Select Stream Source
Audio - channels, sample rate, codecs etc

It is the first audio section that allows you to change the stream. I don't know why you dont have access to this.