Verbatim Double Layer at Newegg

[jrsdsl]

Sorry if already posted.

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=17-130-948&DEPA=0

[DVDeeZ]

The Verbatim DL disks work even better then I would of anticipated. I've burned 12 of them so far and my results have been excellent. Burned various ways, mainly as an .ISO image created by DVD Decrypter and burned with Nero Express, as Nero supports .ISO, and then burned in a VIDEO_TS folder automatically created by Nero Express.

Both methods put the layer break on the copy in the exact same places as the original. And as far as compatibilty goes, all 12 have played in every single standalone player i've tested them in, except an Apex model. The first layer plays great in the Apex model, but freezes as soon as it gets to the second layer. None of the other players i've tested this in had that issue, the layer transition was as smooth as the original.

Just did two more today, LOTR: ROTK, and Star Wars Episode II, same results, excellent playback and seek compatibility, full functionability on all players tested except for the Apex. Had to do ROTK as even using CCE to encode had an average bitrate of somewhere around 2400.

I knew DL was gonna be excellent, just didn't expect it to be so great with initial firmware and 1st generation DL disks. Very impressive results to say the least.

[tommyoz]

I agree, I have only burned 2 of them so far and have had no problems. I keep seeing some post saying that the compatibilty is not great even though they haven't even tried it. The real problem is the price of these discs. It's pretty steep.

[yoda313]

Hello,
Why do they call them DOUBLE LAYER when they are actually DUAL LAYER? I guess maybe it's since they have DUAL FORMAT drives (+ and - r). I think that's pretty bad for new comers, they should have named the drives double format. Oh well, just a minor annoyance for me. Happy burning!!
Kevin

[hiptune]

Hello,
Why do they call them DOUBLE LAYER when they are actually DUAL LAYER? I guess maybe it's since they have DUAL FORMAT drives (+ and - r). I think that's pretty bad for new comers, they should have named the drives double format. Oh well, just a minor annoyance for me. Happy burning!!
Kevin

Because they are Double Layer discs. Double layer means that they can hold double the data.

Dual implies that they play two programs at once, or do something "dual". They do not do 2 things at once.

I have not noticed that the burners are called dual layer burners, but I can see that would make some sense, as they can burn both layers in one session.

I am glad threy came up with Double Layer as the way to describe it. Much easier to explain to a client what it is.

[tag]

An attempt to distinguish the stuff from commercially produced (i.e. pressed) DVDs. ????

Every single movie I've purchased on DVD says "DUAL LAYER", not "Double Layer".

[yoda313]

Hello,
I called them "DUAL FORMAT" drives, which is what they are (I have one called that). I just meant that pro discs are specifically called "dual layer" (when they are over 4.7gb) and the consumer recordables SHOULD also be called "dual layer" (I just dislike the inconsistency is all - DOUBLE is less tech sounding also).
Kevin

[Vejita-sama]

Where you can one buy DL media? I can't seem to find it anywhere?

[DVDeeZ]

Where you can one buy DL media? I can't seem to find it anywhere?

The link at the top of this page will allow you to buy a single DL disk from Newegg, but the price is $17.99. The price will drop significantly in the months to come. More production, more manufacturer's and more competition. I didn't pay for the disks I got fortunatley, but Verbatim is coming out with a DOUBLE LAYER 5 pack shortly. The price will probably be around $60 for the 5 pack though initially.

[Vejita-sama]

$60 for a 5 pack?!? I can wait I know that people are down on Princo but I've been using Princo 4x DVD-R discs for ~2yrs w/o any problems. And a just got a 50 pack of those for $20. Of couse when I bought the burner discs were nearly $2/ea (whcih I thought was high, but $12/ea is way to much).

I mean the burner is only $80. Thanks for the links/info...

[DVDeeZ]

I know that people are down on Princo but I've been using Princo 4x DVD-R discs for ~2yrs w/o any problems. And a just got a 50 pack of those for $20. Of couse when I bought the burner discs were nearly $2/ea (whcih I thought was high, but $12/ea is way to much).

i've read alot of people say Princo work great for them. If they work great for you, hey, use them. I'd bet the Kprobe results are higher on avg on those Princos, but they play perfectly, right, so who cares?

As far as $12 per DL disk goes, I also agree. I won't buy them until they're ~5 or less, and there's a lot of variables to determine when the price will be there, but it will. The Quality Control approval/success rate is very low right now with these DL disks. That will increase in time as well, so that's just another factor which will cut down production costs, and ultimately, lower the costs even more for DL disks.

As I said though, i'm just psyched the compatibility and playbackability is as great as its been. I even ripped all the disks as an .ISO with DVD Decrypter and each one has been perfect. Only thing is it takes about 24 minutes to rip a burned DL disk as my writers and Roms will only get up to about 5.5x on DL burned media max speed, while they'll get up to ~9x on Single layer burned DVDRs. But if that's the biggest concern, then i'll live with it. :P

[jaxxboss]

Hello,
I called them "DUAL FORMAT" drives, which is what they are (I have one called that). I just meant that pro discs are specifically called "dual layer" (when they are over 4.7gb) and the consumer recordables SHOULD also be called "dual layer" (I just dislike the inconsistency is all - DOUBLE is less tech sounding also).
Kevin

yoda313 , The +R alliance decided to call their discs "DOUBLE LAYER" and the -R people decided on "DUAL LAYER". This is a fact and not open for interpretation. Get ur ducks in a row.
Double layer is "more"correct anyway, as that is what is on the disc.. a layer on top of each other.
Ur appologies for misleading the videohelp public is accepted.

[Thorn]

I was under the impression that the DVD+R alliance couldn't actually use the dual-layer name because the DVD consortium wouldn't allow the term. Something to do with +R DL having a different design than the commercially pressed dual-layer discs. Or maybe they just didn't pay their dues

[yoda313]

Hello,

jaxxboss-Double layer is "more"correct anyway, as that is what is on the disc.. a layer on top of each other.
Ur appologies for misleading the videohelp public is accepted.

Well, I don't think so. If you look at many professional movies they will say "dual layer" on them. That's all I was getting at. It would seem to me to be logical to keep the naming convention the same. Besides, to be perfectly honest DOUBLE and DUAL essentially do mean the same thing "TWO". So there, I guess I'm complaining about nothing. If you take that as an apology so be it
Kevin

[tommyoz]

I have the solution. Why don't we just call them DL discs and that would keep both sides happy.

[yoda313]

Hello,

tommyoz- I have the solution. Why don't we just call them DL discs and that would keep both sides happy.

Good Idea! Actually I'm done with the argument, I've made my peace.

But your right, nobody really argues what DVD stands for any more (the old digital versatile disc vs digital video disc debate). That abreviation would be most welcome.
Kevin

[Supreme2k]

I'm staying out of this until they're under $2.

[DVDeeZ]

It would definitely be very nice to see $2 per disk. Hollywood would crap in their pants if that happened any time soon. It will happen, but probably not for a good 18 months or so. Nobody really knows for sure because there's too many variables right now regarding competition, production, Quality Control, consistency, burn speed, etc.

When those 5 pack Verbatims get shipped they may be as low as $8 per disk in a short amount of time, but it looks more like $12 per disk. There's actually an online site right now selling these very same Verbatim DL 2.4x disks for around $11. The sites based out of Australia though, so the currency is in Australian Dollars (AUD.) That's equates to a little less then $8 USD for one, so we'll see how quickly that price conforms into this market.

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=9041&osCsid=6246ae2b3...25f928c5e772fd

[vxphan]

Would you explain, why I should backup my movie on a $17 media, while I can buy the movie for $14?

[-jsl-]

No but there are other applications than backing up movies, believe it or not.
BTW it looks like Sony has reduced the price to $9.99 now: http://www.sonystyle.com/prodcompass?ProductSKU=DL94912

[yoda313]

Hello,

-jsl-there are other applications than backing up movies

RIGHT! If I was buying my first dvd burner (and didn't already have a single layer 4x) I'd buy the dual layer burner so I could capture at higher bitrates. Also, data backup is important. I would like to be able to backup 8.5 gigs of data. Less physical storage space would be needed (for those who don't have flash key chains or removable harddrives) .

Kevin
P.S. I still want the prices to drop!