Panny E-80 and Pioneer 510H-Best Reliability Over Last Year.

[HoustonGuy]

I own 2 E-80s and one Pioneer 510H. These two models have proven their reliability over the last year. They were among the first Hard drive DVD recorders. The Panny E-80 is the #1 seller of all time. When you sell as many as they did ,you will have a lemon or two. These Hard drive units give one the best recording PQ and flexibility on editing through High speed dubbing and editing- They are far ahead of a non hard drive DVDR. There are certain posters on this board that do not own these units ,yet degrade them. Those people are full of it. They talk about new models being better,yet those models have not been through the extreme scrutiny that Panny and Pio have experienced. They are talking heads you should not trust. They post crap with no hands on experience. The new JVC DVDR may be good but it is so unproven and you should know it- watch out for the mendacious proselytizers of this unit. Does it have a hard drive which is absolutely necessary in the realm of recording? It has no reliability track record as well.

[kabanero]

hey guy,

go back to your AVS forum and troll there.

[gshelley61]

I own 2 E-80s and one Pioneer 510H. These two models have proven their reliability over the last year. They were among the first Hard drive DVD recorders. The Panny E-80 is the #1 seller of all time. When you sell as many as they did ,you will have a lemon or two. These Hard drive units give one the best recording PQ and flexibility on editing through High speed dubbing and editing- They are far ahead of a non hard drive DVDR....

...The new JVC DVDR may be good but it is so unproven and you should know it- watch out for the mendacious proselytizers of this unit. Does it have a hard drive which is absolutely necessary in the realm of recording? It has no reliability track record as well.

Hard drives are certainly not "absolutely necessary" and do not in any way make a DVD recorder superior to models that don't have one (other than the ability to record off the TV for longer periods of time than you can with a writeable DVD). I record to -RW's or -RAM's and then use my computer to edit the resulting MPEG2 much more accurately and with less effort than is possible with a HDD DVD recorder. Plus, if I want to, I can create a customized menu and add in other features during the authoring process that are much nicer than what any DVD recorder can do.

The cost of a non-HDD DVD recorder combined with the software to edit and author final DVD-R's on the computer is usually less than what HDD DVD recorders go for. Plus, I've got two 120GB hard drives in my PC, so I can store way more MPEG2 data than any HDD recorder I know of.

I happen to own a Panny E50 (basically identical to the E80 without the HDD) and a new JVC DR-M10SL. There is no comparison as far as PQ goes. The JVC records a better looking, less noisy DVD. Period.

Don't get me wrong - I like my Panasonic and it has served me well. The JVC is just better at recording MPEG2 video, there's simply no doubt about it as far as I'm concerned.

As far as reliability goes, I've had zero problems with either machine.

My point is that HDD DVD recorders are not any "better" than non-HDD models and do not offer the accuracy and flexibility of editing and authoring on the computer. For me, the HDD is actually an unnecessary and costly extra feature.

[Capmaster]

I own 2 E-80s and one Pioneer 510H. These two models have proven their reliability over the last year. They were among the first Hard drive DVD recorders. The Panny E-80 is the #1 seller of all time. When you sell as many as they did ,you will have a lemon or two. These Hard drive units give one the best recording PQ and flexibility on editing through High speed dubbing and editing- They are far ahead of a non hard drive DVDR. There are certain posters on this board that do not own these units ,yet degrade them. Those people are full of it. They talk about new models being better,yet those models have not been through the extreme scrutiny that Panny and Pio have experienced. They are talking heads you should not trust. They post crap with no hands on experience. The new JVC DVDR may be good but it is so unproven and you should know it- watch out for the mendacious proselytizers of this unit. Does it have a hard drive which is absolutely necessary in the realm of recording? It has no reliability track record as well.

Unlikely. The HD and non-HD units (like the E80/E50) use common parts like the drive, the circuit boards, the laser, the logic, etc. Companies use common parts whenever possible to cut costs. Chances are an E50 and an E80 have identical quality.

[HoustonGuy]

Kabanero- good as usual no info reply- your best shot is so bad it's not worth a plug nickel. Pitiful. Actually hilarious.

[bugster]

Please do not post the same thing multiple times, even if you word it differently.

/Moderator bugster

[flaninacupboard]

Kabanero- good as usual no info reply- your best shot is so bad it's not worth a plug nickel. Pitiful. Actually hilarious.

Is that even English? what a pointless thread, an erroneous and non-confirmable statement about how yours is better than ours. great.

I record Digital TV broadcasts, which use encoders probably more expensive than my house. my recordings are better than your panasonic, or your jvc.

[jobedo1]

WOW HoustonGuy even the moderater flames you i guess panosonic must be something we are not supposed to talk about ,so much for sharing our opinions and experence.
jo

[kabanero]

WOW HoustonGuy even the moderater flames you i guess panosonic must be something we are not supposed to talk about ,so much for sharing our opinions and experence.
jo

jobedo1,

It is not about Panasonic or our opinions and experence. It is about HoustonGuy. You probably don't visit AVS forum DVD recorders section.

HoustonGuy is the famous troll on AVS forum. Every (or almost every) weekend he opnes new thread with different wording but with the same content, similar to this:

"My Panasonic E-80 is the best recorder in the world. The rest is shit!!!"

His posts are completely pointless and useless. If you don't trust me, got to this section and search for posts made by HoustonGuy.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?s=b01ea0ea9e7c9f53cb5dadee3c1c7a00&forumid=106

PS.

And HoustonGuy doesn't pay for the storage space on this server, Baldrick does.

[flaninacupboard]

WOW HoustonGuy even the moderater flames you i guess panosonic must be something we are not supposed to talk about ,so much for sharing our opinions and experence.
jo

uh................ i think you made that one up. the only mod here is Bugster and he just said don't cross post.

[hech54]

HoustonIdiot posts the same stupidity on dvdplusrw.org as well.

[flaninacupboard]

Houstonguy=palpatine=joe89=naked geek=GINA?!

[Sam Ontario]

....... The new JVC DVDR may be good but it is so unproven and you should know it- watch out for the mendacious proselytizers of this unit. Does it have a hard drive which is absolutely necessary in the realm of recording? It has no reliability track record as well.

Though I do not own this JVC DVDR, as a consumer with over 30 years of using JVC products, I can tell you, its not going to fail you with this DVDR product. I trust JVC products better than Sony, Philips products and the rest, though I am now owning a Philips DVDR75 - no hardware problem for over 4 weeks now.

HDD is preferable but not a must. If you do not record TV shows, with that extra money pay for, you can buy at least 100 DVD+RW discs!

[waltchan]

I am considering getting the Pioneer DVR-210-S DVD recorder very soon from Costco. Can anybody tell me if the Pioneer DVR-210-S also qualify as the best reliability, like the Pioneer DVR-510-S? I will buy the Pioneer DVR-210-S only if Costco is willing to give me a full refund of my 6 year old broken Philips Magnavox VCR (made by Funai), valued at $169.99 excluding tax that I also bought from Costco. So, I actually get a $180 discount of the $279.99 Pioneer DVR-210-S at Costco. Thanks for your help.




Walter Chan

[flaninacupboard]

I am considering getting the Pioneer DVR-210-S DVD recorder very soon from Costco. Can anybody tell me if the Pioneer DVR-210-S also qualifies as the best reliability, like the Pioneer DVR-510-S? I will buy the Pioneer DVR-210-S only if Costco give me a full refund of my 6 year old broken VCR, valued at $169.99 excluding tax that I also bought from Costco. So, I actually get a $180 discount of the $279.99 Pioneer DVR-210-S at Costco. Thanks for your help.




Walter Chan

Indo?

[JSquare]

I am considering getting the Pioneer DVR-210-S DVD recorder very soon from Costco. Can anybody tell me if the Pioneer DVR-210-S also qualifies as the best reliability, like the Pioneer DVR-510-S? I will buy the Pioneer DVR-210-S only if Costco give me a full refund of my 6 year old broken VCR, valued at $169.99 excluding tax that I also bought from Costco. So, I actually get a $180 discount of the $279.99 Pioneer DVR-210-S at Costco. Thanks for your help. Walter Chan

The Pioneer DVR-210 from Costco seems like a very good, solid and reliable unit. I had the chance to test one this past weekend and most recordings up to 4hrs looked very good to me on a 36" HDTV.
Already own the JVC, paid $306 for it last week but with a deal like the one you getting I wouldn't think twice about the Pioneer, specially with that type of warranty from Costco.

[waltchan]

I'm totally on my way to purchase the new Pioneer DVR-210-S DVD recorder from Costco. I took my broken 6 year old Philips Magnavox VCR, that my parents bought it new from Costco, back to Costco today, and the customer service was glad to give me a full refund. I was totally amazed that Costco fully refunded back my money, even if it was purchased six years ago. I then received a store credit refund that went into the Costco cash gift card value at $184.01. Including tax, the Pioneer DVR-210-S turns out to be $301.69. Subract $184.01, I only need to pay $117.68 for a brand new Pioneer DVR-210-S DVD video recorder. As a college student struggling with money, especially tuition costs, and on my way to become a new pop-star celebrity within 5 years, I'm probably one of the first students in my university to own a DVD video recorder, and the only person around who gets a famous-brand name DVD video recorder at a super low-cost. Why buy a new DVD player or a DVD player/VCR combo, when I can get this new Pioneer DVR-210-S at Costco at the same price after discount. What's more is that I can predict that the Pioneer DVR-220-S will give me many years of reliable service. After I'm done with it, if I accidentally become a celebrity, I may consider giving this away for free to one of my fans with an autograph signed by me. If not, I can always go back to Costco for a refund, even if it's five years later, unless I'm wealthy.



Walt(er) Chan

[tag]

If not, I can always go back to Costco for a refund, even if it's five years later.....

I sure do like that "complete satisfaction guarantee"!

I wonder how they'll handle customers buying those $7k plasma TVs today and returning them............................in 2009. Hmmmm.

[HoustonGuy]

Gshelly - you fail miserably.Panny E-80, Sony HDD and Pioneer 510 h drives give you much better flexibility, resolution on movies and inputting VHS. You can delete commercials, high speed burn for better PQ etc. RAM is great but for recording and editing you are in another world- HDD is so superior for movies that are 2 hours or so- We are talking recording,overlap, when cable or Sat misses the time- Non HDD recorders cannot account for that. I commiserate with your failure to comprehend. You are so uninformed about these hard drive video recorders and their superiority over non hard drive models. If you keep believing that your IQ will never increase.

[lordsmurf]

Pioneer 510 h drives give you much better ... resolution

Huh? The max resolution of a DVD recorder is 720x480. Period.

RAM is great ...- HDD is so superior

RAM is essentially an optical hard drive. It was designed that way.

Give it up. We don't need or want HDD recorders, especially with Sony (bad drives, bad handling of media) and Panasonic (AC3 errors, PTS errors, blocky quality).

[hech54]

I commiserate with your failure to comprehend

Yea...me too.
You'll LOVE this one....from this:

(A Philips DVDR985 - I KNOW how much you LOVE those)

I get this:


And NOTHING touched ANY hard drive....not even in my computer.

[flaninacupboard]

Gshelly - you fail miserably.Panny E-80, Sony HDD and Pioneer 510 h drives give you much better flexibility, resolution on movies and inputting VHS. You can delete commercials, high speed burn for better PQ etc. RAM is great but for recording and editing you are in another world- HDD is so superior for movies that are 2 hours or so- We are talking recording,overlap, when cable or Sat misses the time- Non HDD recorders cannot account for that. I commiserate with your failure to comprehend. You are so uninformed about these hard drive video recorders and their superiority over non hard drive models. If you keep believing that your IQ will never increase.

Neither will yours! i can't believe you're using such a lame setup!! why don't you record digital streams directly? the incoming digital streams have soooo much higher resolution than DVD. and then i can record streams non-stop for 40 hours. then i can burn at 16x, or make my own menus, or do ANYTHING i wish, none of this lame "set top box" bull shit, i mean, you expect to edit video and do titleing/menus on a TV screen?! what is this, the 1980's?!

Go read a book or something.

[gshelley61]

Panny E-80, Sony HDD and Pioneer 510 h drives give you much better... resolution on movies and inputting VHS.

DVD max resolution is 720x480 in NTSC land, 720x576 in PAL, dumbass. It can't go any higher than that no matter how hard you tongue-kiss your machine. It can't increase the resolution of any source it records. VHS is VHS. And I guess movies are movies. You have no f**cking clue. Go somewhere else to spread your bullshit.