Trying to find a cheap TBC..Is this any good

[richdvd]

It looks pretty basic to me, but might do the trick for some old shaky videos I have....thoughts anyone

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21166&item=3823275701&rd=1

thanks

[fmctm1sw]

A lot of people are using those. I'm not certain about the "audio video sync" thing though...

[lordsmurf]

Awesome

... but like said, "audio video sync" ?? .... no. Just picture control. Audio passes through it.

[richdvd]

is $290 a good price for it?

[lordsmurf]

is $290 a good price for it?

Average

[richdvd]

where could i find one cheaper?

[budz]

is $290 a good price for it?

that price is reasonable. i've seen it for over $370.00 with shipping.

B&H PHOTO had that model but for some reason I can't find it on their
website.

EDIT: I found it on their site it sells for $289.95

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=185957&is=REG

[richdvd]

ok..thanks Budz and Lord Smurf.
I am new to this aspect of video.
I just have one more question for you Pros.

So when I get the TBC..

1. I connect the source VCR to it
2. Then connect the TBC to my AIW card on my PC
3. Capture

Is this right?

[lordsmurf]

ok..thanks Budz and Lord Smurf.
I am new to this aspect of video.
I just have one more question for you Pros.

So when I get the TBC..

1. I connect the source VCR to it
2. Then connect the TBC to my AIW card on my PC
3. Capture

Is this right?

yes

[budz]

richdvd wrote:

So when I get the TBC..

1. I connect the source VCR to it
2. Then connect the TBC to my AIW card on my PC
3. Capture

Is this right?

lordsmurf wrote:

yes

When I eventually get one of those I'd connect the source VCR to it, then connect the TBC to my ADVC-100 & capture? is that correct?

[lordsmurf]

SOURCE TAPE IN VCR -> TBC -> CAPTURE CARD/DEVICE

That's it. Simple chain.

[budz]

thanks lordsmurf!

[mazinz]

would using that particular model wipe out css on older video tapes?

[hiptune]

would using that particular model wipe out css on older video tapes?

You mean pre-recorded factory released video tapes, old and newer ones? They have "macrovision" copy protection in them, not sure about css. But anyway, the Data 100 TBC will NOT remove copy protection from video tapes.

You need a "video stablizer" for that trick. Or use a ADVC-100 which has (or had) one built into its analog to DV converter made by Canopus.

Jeff

[lordsmurf]

the Data 100 TBC will NOT remove copy protection from video tapes.

What on earth are you talking about? It absolutely does. It removes ALL errors, including the fake ones (Macrovision Level 1-3, etc). This is a true full-field TBC.

[hiptune]

the Data 100 TBC will NOT remove copy protection from video tapes.

What on earth are you talking about? It absolutely does. It removes ALL errors, including the fake ones (Macrovision Level 1-3, etc). This is a true full-field TBC.

It did not work for me. I tried the Data 100, for both some dvd and vhs captures, and my screen went dark green and back, but mostly dark green. Thanks god I have the stablizer, I'd have been f'd.

But it does smooth out any flicker or excessive grain. Will try again.

[lordsmurf]

Which one of these are you talking about:
- DAC-100 converter
- TBC-100 PCI TBC
- TBC-1000 standalone TBC

[budz]

Or use a ADVC-100 which has (or had) one built into its analog to DV converter made by Canopus.

I tried that macrovision trick with my ADVC-100 and it didn't work.

[richdvd]

Doesn't the TBC work for stabilizing the video?

[fmctm1sw]

Doesn't the TBC work for stabilizing the video?

Yes, and the one built into my Toshiba VCR has made non-capturable tapes (dropped frames) capturable. It replaces timing signals that degrade over time on the tape (in a nutshell). This also may be a good time to mention that macrovision thread Foo started...

[hiptune]

Which one of these are you talking about:
- DAC-100 converter
- TBC-100 PCI TBC
- TBC-1000 standalone TBC

Sorry, it was late and I was not real clear on model.

Datavideo TBC - 1000

And I did not have any luck removing macrovision from tape or DVD with it.

Jeff

[hiptune]

Or use a ADVC-100 which has (or had) one built into its analog to DV converter made by Canopus.

I tried that macrovision trick with my ADVC-100 and it didn't work.

I still need to find out if my ADVC-100 has this feature, as someone said they removed it from later models.

But anyway, Datavideo TBC-1000 will not removed macrovision.

Jeff

[lordsmurf]

Any TBC will remove Macrovision. Yours seems to be defective.

[Capmaster]

Which one of these are you talking about:
- DAC-100 converter
- TBC-100 PCI TBC
- TBC-1000 standalone TBC

Sorry, it was late and I was not real clear on model.

Datavideo TBC - 1000

And I did not have any luck removing macrovision from tape or DVD with it.

Jeff

No, the Datavideo TBC-1000 does not remove macrovision from the tape. You would need to feed it through the TBC-1000 and back to another deck that's recording to remove it from the tape.

What it does do is remove macrovision from the signal coming from the tape.

And Lordsmurf is partly correct in calling it a "full-field" TBC. The TBC-1000 is what's called a "Full-Frame" TBC, which means it buffers the entire frame, not just one field, or, in the case of camcorder TBCs, just one horizontal line. This unit also removes any funny business that could reside in the vertical retrace too, something your typical camcorder TBC won't do. This larger buffer is a big reason why the unit runs about $300.

It strips the timing from the video and inserts its own timing. Absolutely no macrovision remains after this process, since macrovision resides in the retrace portion of the signal and this is the portion that the TBC replaces.

The advantage of having a full-frame TBC is that it not only controls the timing between horizontal lines, but it controls it between fields, and between frames too. The resulting video is perfectly timed and clean. In fact, unless you are a professional with a studio that runs with a master gate sync for all the equipment, this model is all you should ever need for home use.

If yours doesn't strip MV, then return it ASAP for an exchange.

[lordsmurf]

And Lordsmurf is partly correct in calling it a "full-field" TBC. The TBC-1000 is what's called a "Full-Frame" TBC,

Oops. I meant that.

[hiptune]

Which one of these are you talking about:
- DAC-100 converter
- TBC-100 PCI TBC
- TBC-1000 standalone TBC

Sorry, it was late and I was not real clear on model.

Datavideo TBC - 1000

And I did not have any luck removing macrovision from tape or DVD with it.

Jeff

No, the Datavideo TBC-1000 does not remove macrovision from the tape. You would need to feed it through the TBC-1000 and back to another deck that's recording to remove it from the tape.

What it does do is remove macrovision from the signal coming from the tape.

And Lordsmurf is partly correct in calling it a "full-field" TBC. The TBC-1000 is what's called a "Full-Frame" TBC, which means it buffers the entire frame, not just one field, or, in the case of camcorder TBCs, just one horizontal line. This unit also removes any funny business that could reside in the vertical retrace too, something your typical camcorder TBC won't do. This larger buffer is a big reason why the unit runs about $300.

It strips the timing from the video and inserts its own timing. Absolutely no macrovision remains after this process, since macrovision resides in the retrace portion of the signal and this is the portion that the TBC replaces.

The advantage of having a full-frame TBC is that it not only controls the timing between horizontal lines, but it controls it between fields, and between frames too. The resulting video is perfectly timed and clean. In fact, unless you are a professional with a studio that runs with a master gate sync for all the equipment, this model is all you should ever need for home use.

If yours doesn't strip MV, then return it ASAP for an exchange.

Thanks, just got off the phone with Data Video. Even they would not confirm that the TBC - 1000 will remove macrovision. But they acted like is could, and did agree to test my unit and repair it if needed.

Thanks for the info. I must have a bad unit. I'm sending it in tomorow.

Jeff

[FOO]

I wish one of you guys was next door. I need to borrow a TBC.
Who lives in Austin ,Tx ?
I have copied all of my tapes through my new gadget. Except one.
Disneys Mulan. It get horizontal tearing 25% of the time.
( Does it without the gadget too )
I have looked at the signal all day and can't find anything wrong with it.
horizontal timing is perfect. I have a fancy scope that triggers on
video lines. Even it gets confused.
The sync separator on my gadget does not get confused. It's solid, so
the sync problem is happening in the ATI card. I have seen this
happen when the DC level moves too fast.
Strange thing is I got a PM from some guy who was having trouble with
the very same movie. Anybody out there capture it OK ?

[FOO]

I wonder why a TBC would remove ALL kinds of MV.
It's a TIME BASE corrector. MV screws up things other than
timing. What about the high luma and the spikes in the
color burst. It really shouldn't unless they deliberately targeted
MV.

[lordsmurf]

I wonder why a TBC would remove ALL kinds of MV.
It's a TIME BASE corrector. MV screws up things other than
timing. What about the high luma and the spikes in the
color burst. It really shouldn't unless they deliberately targeted
MV.

I'm under the impression it limits such things. The TBC-1000 does play with luma/chroma ... and sometimes that's a bad thing (but not often).

[Capmaster]

I wonder why a TBC would remove ALL kinds of MV.
It's a TIME BASE corrector. MV screws up things other than
timing. What about the high luma and the spikes in the
color burst. It really shouldn't unless they deliberately targeted
MV.

I'm under the impression it limits such things. The TBC-1000 does play with luma/chroma ... and sometimes that's a bad thing (but not often).

I did a bunch of research before buying my TBC-1000 and the one thing I was nervous about was the occasional testimonial about color shifting.

I bought it anyways because I figured if I do come across a tape that causes a post-TBC color shift, I can always cap it without the TBC.

The color shift issue never happened to me after over 2,000 VHS captures. Maybe the persons who scrutinized and reported were extremely retentive types who look at stills of their caps with an 8X magnifying glass, and were able to detect a miniscule shift. I never saw it.

What turned out to be a more common problem (maybe 1 in 50 tapes) was a horizontal tearing along the top of the picture. In most cases it's lost in the overscan, but I have had one or two where I had to bypass the TBC to get a good picture, and cross my fingers that lip-sync would turn out OK. I've lucked out so far, as lip-sync was the single biggest thorn in my side before buying the TBC.

I'm under the impression it limits such things. The TBC-1000 does play with luma/chroma ... and sometimes that's a bad thing (but not often).

Ditto that last sentiment. The benefits gained by having a good TBC outweigh the drawbacks. My only regret has been that I waited 5 months or so before buying it.