Stupid question

[FCPguy]

Ok, if you wanna make fun of me go ahead... this is gonna sound so dumb... but in toast, when you get the error: Not Enough Memory.. is it talking about how many gigs you have on your computer? or RAM?

I am pretty sure it's gigs, but I have about 20 open, which should be enough to burn a 4.3 gig movie right? Thanks

[D_Knife]

I'm not a Mac user but I'll almost bet it's RAM you need

However just a clarification that is platform independant
"gigs" is a shortened term for Gigabytes or the shorthand version Gb's
this is a unit of measurement that both hard disk size and memory can use
Up until recently memory was only measured in Mb's or "megs"

You also don't say a number of gigs "open" it's used
This will help you get your questions answered easier

[galactica]

my experience has shown it is in fact RAM
how much you got? Perhaps its time to add some more.

[thoughton]

In my experience, if you dont have enough space on the blank cd or dvd, Toast says something like 'not enough disk space, xxxx needed, xxx available'.

I've never seen a 'not enough memory' message, presumably it's possible though.

Unlike the Finder, Toast does not require enough space to image the disc prior to burning. You can still burn a 4.3gig dvd-r even if you only have 1gig of HD space left. However if you do have very little HD space left, you have to make sure you dont insert the blank disc until the very final prompt from Toast.

[FCPguy]

I have maxed out my G4 Imac at the 768 point, so if I need more RAM i'm screwed.

But this problem is really odd... I've since burned other discs fine (no "Not enough memory" warning) then I tried again this morning to burn the problemed disc... same message!

I don't know if this is possible, (I still think in PCs), but in an apple, is there a place to empty cache? (Apples don't need to be defragged right?) I'm just thinking of things that gave my pc more space and made it faster. Could toast have a cache that holds video clips and gets gunked up with these large files? Thanks everyone again-

[thoughton]

768Mb should be fine, that's how much I have. It must be something else. I'm wondering if one of your dimms is screwy, do you have any other symptoms of bad ram?

OS X has automatic daily, weekly and monthly maintenance routines which usually run at 3am. If you dont leave your Mac on all the time you can force them to run with MacJanitor. A reboot will also remove temporary files. You don't need to defrag anything, OS X defrags files on the fly when you open them.

[FCPguy]

Nope, everything seems to be running fine except that. I ran macjanitor 2 days ago and also yesterday just in case

Is it necessary to run a clean sweep and re-put on the operating system and apps? I didn't think it would come to that, but if it keeps up? is that my only other option (since I don't have disk warrior)?

[thoughton]

Hmm a full system install really shouldnt be necessary. Have you tried re-installing Toast? Repaired permissions? Maybe try the diagnostic CD that came with your Mac (to check memory)

[decay]

you have latest version of Toast?

5.2.3 or 6.0.5?

dk

[FCPguy]

I know it is version 6.something. I will try the hardware check disk asap. Thanks guys!

[DUDIRENO]

This was the same message I got when I was having problems with my DVD-RWs. I thought it was a problem with how I was erasing them or that the drive wasn't able to write to them. However, I know now that wasn't the problem. I am not a 100% positive as to what it was all I can say is I had less than 3gigs of HD space. I emptied the trash and did a restart. That fixed it for me. Really wish I would have known what was going on. I wouldn't have restarted. Instead I would have liked to know if just by empting my trash and freeing up more HD space was enough.

[FCPguy]

Well, I don't think that's my prob. The disk i'm trying to burn is about 4 gigs, and I have almost 25 gigs free. That should be ample room to master a disc. I'm getting frustrated at my machine ( I wonder why it's on strike)! I'm now deleting larger files to see if I just need a lot more space, but if nothing else, I'm gonna reinstall everything and have a frest machine (nothing to mess up) - Peace

[MerlinMacuser]

You may have too many applications open at the same time.

Go to the Apple menu and activate About This Mac to see how RAM is allocated on your machine.

Memory management on macs varies depending on which operating system you are running. Try to only have the application you need to use for your burn open. Also you may want to disable virtual memory (which uses hard disk space in lieu of physical RAM).

Try that and let us know.

[thoughton]

No offense, but you sound like you're talking about OS9 or earlier. I have the same amount of memory as FCPGuy and I have 20 or more apps open at the same time on a daily basis (including big stuff like photoshop, dreamweaver, a couple of browsers, ical, itunes, iphoto, word and excel), all while I'm burning a DVD with toast.

He's already told us he has 768megs of ram. This also isn't the not-enough-HD-space error that dudireno had last week (that one is a finder "bug" and produces a different error message).

Also, I'm not any sort of unix guru (or even a unix journeyman), but I believe virutal memory is always on in OS X and other unix OSes.

Cheerio!

[galactica]

It is
I can confirm that something is up.
My powerbook only has 512 and with Finder, iChat, Mail, MSWord, Safari and iTunes I can easily burn and rip at the same time!

that said, im not sure what the error is coming from unless your HD space is way to low for toats temporary files

[FCPguy]

I'm still baffled. I re-installed the toast software... no dice. I freed up even more hd space... nothing. Every time I drag the folder into toast, and hit burn "Error - not enough memory". I really got pissed, cause I realized I had already burned the 2nd half of 2 discs, and now can't get the first half (i'm archiving everything ready to make dual layer backups).

My memory should be cool though, and just in case, I closed everything but toast... nope. Reset PRAM, nope. I feel like I'm getting shot down and then my parachute gets shot at I'll figure it out Thanks everyone, and if anyone figures it out.... hollar at me!!! Thanks

PS... everyone check out the new monitors? Bad ass. and the new video compression for tiger looks promising also. Cool.

[jeffrey515]

Posted by: FCPguy
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But this problem is really odd... I've since burned other discs fine (no "Not enough memory" warning) then I tried again this morning to burn the problemed disc... same message!

Sounds like it may be a bad disc problem.
Just throw the bad disc.

[thoughton]

Well I'm pretty much all outta ideas. I can't remember if you have already tried deleteing Toast's preference files?

Another bit of troubleshooting would be to create a new user on your system and then install Toast under that user and see if the problem is still there.

[FCPguy]

I tried deleting prefs. I think I'm pretty out of luck here. I guess this is just the thing to kick me into really cleaning out my machine and getting something like disk warrior or something. Thanks to all for the helpful ideas- Peace

[Geriatric]

Please don't be offended but this problem is so wierd that it's worth going back and looking at the obvious stuff.

1. What kind of files were you trying to copy? Video_TS and Audio_TS folders filled with the right stuff?

2. What settings do have on Toast? Data and Advanced with DVD-ROM (UDF) is what you need.

This sort of sounds like you are working with a disk image and toast is trying to load the whole thing into memory or something like that.

I have 500mb of memory on my G4 Titanium PB and I write DVDs all the time using Toast 6.0 while working on other programs. This isn't a memory shortage unless your memory is malfunctioning or system is not working right. That's how it is with OS X 10.3 anyway.

Geriatric

[TugBoat]

Well...
If it works fine with other files...
but won't work with a particular file...
I'd suspect that particular file.
But that's just me

What happens when you recreate that particular file? I don't even remember reading about what kind of file it is, where it came from, or if it's even possible to recreate.
just thinking out loud

[FCPguy]

The entire folder trying to be burned has a Video_TS folder in it filled only half full of what used to be in it (the other half has already been extracted and burned) so they'd both fit onto 2 discs.
I have the setting as UDF as usual. And I have been hoping to find a way around this, but it seems pretty stuck. it's really odd though.

[danaaprildarren]

FCPGuy,

What is the origin of the files? Are they ripped from a DVD, or self created?


"D"

[FCPguy]

This is a direct backup of a DVD (I've tried to re-backup the files, moved the files from the folder (like before) then re-burn also). Same problem. It may just not like my string of files to burn.. I don't know. But to answer your question... it's a Video_TS folder from a DVD.

[TugBoat]

Which files did you remove? If Toast detects a formatting problem it will throw up an error message. However, it might not be an understandable message. If you removed a file ending in .IFO or .BUP try replacing that file and then see what Toast says.

I just tried it. I removed the 'VTS_01_0.IFO' file and tried to burn. This is what Toast said;



I assume this is the same message you're getting?

[thoughton]

Nice detective work, Tugboat

FCPGuy, when you said I'm burning half a DVD, I think everyone including me assumed you had split one with dvd2onex. We didn't think you'd be pulling half the files out of a video_ts folder! If you want to do oit this way then stuff the entire folder (choose 0% compression to speed things up), and then split your stuffit file over 2 dvds (just use mac format on Toast, not UDF).

[FCPguy]

Ok thanks thoughton, but I finally got it done! Ok for future info... it did have to do with HD space! I got my new external HD in the mail yesterday, and hooked it up. MOved the folder from the computer's HD, and tried to burn it from the external. VIOLA! IT WORKED!
What I've learned from this... sometimes you just need and assload of space to do this stuff! (I now have almost 30Gb extra on that HD, but that's what it took for this (which I noticed had a few large video files, not many semi-large ones. ) 4Gb disc.)
Thanks to everyone who posted here trying to figure this out. So for anyone who gets this message:
"Not enough memory" in Toast.... it means Free Up Some HD Space

[DUDIRENO]

Well thats what worked for me but are you telling me that you removed some files out of your Video_TS folder burned it and it still worked on your DVD player? I didn't think that was possible. And if it did, the files you moved to another folder you burned that as well and it worked too? Seems weird to me.

[FCPguy]

No, I didn't mean to make that impression at all. I am splitting the Video_TS folder into 2 data discs so later (double layer) I will be able to have an easily dupable copy on one disc. I don't know if this is the best way to do this, but that way when the dual layer discs come out, I won't have to re-MTR all my dvds, and it keeps me busy. (Not the best workflow I admit though, but it's whatever.) But to answer your question- no I am not removing files themselves and trying to watch the discj- just for data

[DUDIRENO]

Oh I see.
The quality of shrinked DVD is so good it is not worth the trouble. But like you said whatever floats your boat.
Personally I would rather swim through a sewer with my mouth open than sit around making DVDs into 2 non playing DVDs.