Is TBC needed when capturing from vhs tape, using ADVC-100?

[budz]

this question has probably been asked before but i would like some feedback regarding using a TBC when capturing from vhs using advc-100. Is it really necessary to have a TBC. Because I called B&H PHOTO and the tech told me the DATA VIDEO TBC isn't really great. He even told me the TBC built into the JVC VHS decks aren't truly TBC. I'm confused about this & I would appreciate any comments or feedback. Thanks.

[FulciLives]

I called B&H PHOTO and the tech told me the DATA VIDEO TBC isn't really great. He even told me the TBC built into the JVC VHS decks aren't truly TBC.

Did they recommend another TBC then?

Also my understanding is that the TBC built-in to the JVC S-VHS VCR units are not what we call a full frame TBC and when we throw around that term ... TBC ... we usually expect such a device to be a full frame TBC.

I think perhaps LordSmurf needs to come on board here with a comment or two

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[hiptune]

this question has probably been asked before but i would like some feedback regarding using a TBC when capturing from vhs using advc-100. Is it really necessary to have a TBC. Because I called B&H PHOTO and the tech told me the DATA VIDEO TBC isn't really great. He even told me the TBC built into the JVC VHS decks aren't truly TBC. I'm confused about this & I would appreciate any comments or feedback. Thanks.

All true, but the Data Video TBC is a good TBC. And yes you need it if you are interested in making the most of your VHS Caps using the ADVC 100.

But TBC is only good when you are capturing a first generation VHS tape and you want to reduce grain. Using this device on a 2nd generation tape will reduce sharpness and make the picture worse.

So you do want to use TBC, but take a look at the source and decide if it is better left as is. The better the VHS tape, the nicer results TBC will render. The poorer the quality of tape, the more damage TBC can do to it.

Jeff

[vcdforme]

I think you'd be lucky if you didn't need one.

I've been using a Standalone DVD recorder as a "pass-thru",
it works quite well as a TBC.
There's no way that I'd be able to get my VHS tapes to a
DV stream without it.
Before TBC, it was nothing but dropped frames and headaches.

[lordsmurf]

A TBC is simply a time base corrector.

The JVC TBC is a timebase corrector by definition, but it's not necessarily full frame. However, that being said, it doesn't matter. The JVC includes DNR processing and filtering that will outperform a normal TBC if the goal is to "clean" the video or remove mild to medium noise that a TBC will remove. Only with harsh signals does the TBC get overpowered (Lucas anti-copy is one such harsh error). This kind of TBC tends to horizontally correct the image more.

A Canopus ADVC does not replace a TBC. If it was a B&H or other salesman that told you this, please tell him he's a "******* idiot" for me. The Canopus device is simply a DV capture device. It is excellent at doing that one thing. But it's not anything magic over other capture cards or capture device.

The Panasonic TBC is quite poor. It appears to not have any DNR aspects, and is just a mild corrective device. This is why those DVD recorders are really nothing special. Matsushita, who owns JVC and Panasonic both, should give all Panasonic products access to JVC TBC's if possible. Then we'd have something to talk about.

A DataVideo TBC-1000 ... and higher ones ... are all quite good true full-frame, full-synchronization correctors. Without spending thousands of dollars, it's hard to beat the quality of these TBCs. A true full-frame TBC tends to vertically correct the image. (It can harm the image, but I've never seen grain or other problems added. Normally what I see is extreme hue/chroma shifting because the errors are TOO embedded in the signal.)

If you are working with video, consider a TBC. They are good on all ages of video, especially older ones that have issues. Some of my 3rd-generation 10-year-old copies were only made capture-able because of a combination of JVC TBC and DataVideo TBC. You can stack a few TBCs and get better results. Only use as needed.

I want to reiterate one last point. I've worked with B&H since about 1997. Mostly I bought camera equipment there, then lots of video in more recent years since they've only recently expanded into high-end digital video. They have great toys, at great prices. But their salesmen are some of the biggest dumbasses I've ever met in my life. Don't ever ask them for anything more than the price. They hire the same quality of person as Best Buy does, when it comes to employees. Many of them are rude too, so I'm more than happy to return their attitude in kind. I've been known to be hung up on, and call back a few times until I get a nice, sensible salesman to talk with (they have a bank of available people that take calls). Yes, Indolikaa, I serve specials too, but I reserve mine for the phone.

The short answer to you question, YES PROBABLY.

[budz]

FulciLives wrote

Did they recommend another TBC then?

he didn't recommend another one to me but tried to sell me a data video tbc that was much more expensive than the data video 1000. i told the guy i was doing more research before i would purchase one. i originally called B&H PHOTO to find out the shipping cost and to get more info regarding the datavideo 1000 unit.

FulciLives, hiptune & vcdforme thanks for replying to my post.

someday i would like to start a little side business doing video transferring to dvd. that is why im asking questions if it's important and practical to purchase a tbc for the sole purpose of doing video capturing then to convert to DVD.

Lordsmurf thanks for the reply. The desciption you gave of the B&H salesmen sound like the ones employed at COMPUSA. Your explanation of what TBC can provide now gives me a better understanding. Thanks again!

[simply3]

HI,

would any one can tell me which one is better or should i buy it.
Datavideo 1000 VS Tvone AVT-8710 Multi-Standard Time Base Corrector.

i plan to use with aadvc100/300 VHS capture.


thanks,

[simply3]

HI,

would any one can tell me which one is better or should i buy it.
Datavideo 1000 VS Tvone AVT-8710 Multi-Standard Time Base Corrector.

i plan to use with aadvc100/300 VHS capture.


thanks,

[CountTE]

my 2 cents worth!
I have a ADVC-1394 and does ok with a good first gen. tape and a vcr(i said ok not great). I also have a jvc HR-S9911 w/4mb frame TBC. and it helps clear up some problems on some tapes(as stated above). if I had it to do over/or were getting something today, I would probably have to go with the jvc HR-DVS3 it has a 2mb field TBC and also IEEE1394(firewire) interface and some other goodies. however the DVS3 is a little more then 2X the price of a S9911(S9911 is about 600.00$).
For what it's worth!

[thecoalman]

(S9911 is about 600.00$).
For what it's worth!

You can purchase s9911 at B&H for $350-US......Are you Canadian? Never could get over the sticker sahock of prices at Niagara Falls until realizing that it was Canadian price.

[DaveS]

the sales people on the floor at B&H are not so bad...maybe it's just the phone people....