is there a way to add copywrite protection to a disk?

[viplayer]

Is there a way to add copywrite protection to a disk? I am referring to home movies done via dv and then dropped in to Premiere and/or Studio.



thanks. 8) 8)

[bbulldog]

do you mean to stop people copying your home DVD's
then yes lock them in a safe.....

[Gazorgan]

Yes there's a way. The average home user won't be able to copy it. Anyone whom comes here can copy it. It's not free. It was the topic of a heated discourse last week.

[dphirschler]

I asume you mean copyright protection. I think you have to register your work with the government. It's more than just adding a copyright notice. Talk to a lawyer.


Darryl

[Gazorgan]

He means copy protection? As in people can't copy his work.

[bokkasrealm]

Just stop it already! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh! Merely charge a fair price for a good product and this copying stuff wont happen!

[freestyler]

very few will dare steal it if you shove it up your....

[viplayer]

lol....you guys are killing me...lol


What I am referring to is the macrovision/css type of encryption that exists on store-bought dvds. I want to add that to my custom made dvds.
(school, church, and family functions)

[CT2]

Ulead DVD Workshop 2 supposedly has this option.

www.ulead.com

[freestyler]

Before the misinformation about "programs that will do it" continues - here's the answer:

CAN'T BE DONE ON GENERAL DVD-R MEDIA.

If you wanna protect your content, associate yourself with the Mafi.... err.. the MPAA.

[Roll Tide]

From the Ulead site:

Copy Protection
Add copyright protection to your DVD titles with Macrovision and CSS options.

Could this be the reason for nearly doubling the price of this software? Who in their right mind would pay extra for this? Better yet, who would want to take the time and expense to put CSS/Macrovision on home videos?

[Roll Tide]

CAN'T BE DONE ON GENERAL DVD-R MEDIA.
.

Good point, forgot about that. mmmm.... Chili Dogs..... aaaaaa......

BTW, freestyler, is your signature quote taken from a TV show or a movie?

[freestyler]

yeah, It's taken from a wienerschnitzel ad

[SLK001]

Yes, what you want is very easy to do. For CSS protection, I believe that the yearly license fee is $25,000, plus a per disc fee.

For Macrovision, I believe that the yearly license fee is $10,000, plus of course, a "small" per disc fee.

Also, check with your DVD pressor, because most of them require your product be submitted to them on DLT media - also remember to use 2032 (if I remember correctly) byte sectors, instead of the 2048 found on non-encrypted discs, which will allow room for the CSS matrix to be added (CSS is added at the processing plant).

[gll99]

With standalone players it's not so easy but for video that is intended to be played on computer only it is fairly easy to do something similar if you can program a bit. Using for example VB, read the video file as binary and add some leading, trailing and or imbedded bytes rewrite the output binary file with the extra bytes. It's also just as easy to develop your own software player which strips those extra bytes and plays the movie. No other player will play these clips but yours and you can also password protect the player. This is file protection not disc protection but it's effective. Downside is that it will not play on a standalone dvd player and those who know how to stream video could get around it but 99% or more of the people won't be able to. Technically you can do this with any file and it will work and only you have the offset key or keys as to where the real data is stored in the file(s).

[freestyler]

thats correct SLK. 2054 actually. Folks think adding css and or macrovision is free for some reason...

[Roll Tide]

yeah, It's taken from a wienerschnitzel ad

Cool, I've seen those in other parts of the country - we don't have them in 'Bama.

Oh, yeah, the topic: CSS/Macrovision.... Doesn't that cost a lot of money (thousands)? Awful expensive to stop others from seeing your trip to the Smokies.

[bbulldog]

got wienerschnitzel here in germany :P
but why copy protect a dvd anyway, people only need to read this forum and bobs your uncle........

[owl123]

I got a prog that i used on cd's couple of years ago worked on scsi system but possibly could be adapted for ide

[drti2]

First of all, stop all the bs if you don't know the answer to the op question. He/she asked a simple question, if you know it, then answer it, if you don't then stop you bs and don't post.

Copy protect your creation sometime is good. This apply for home viewer, not computer geeks that come in here, NOT all people know how to it. Also, it stop people pop a vhs tape in and copy the dvd. This is a perfectly good question to ask, so viplayer, ignore those negative people, whom try to be smart ass most of the time.

Chill out people. ))))))))))))))))))))

[Supreme2k]

Why is it that people come into somewhat controversial threads to denounce people for "not answering a question and posting bs", yet they post bs themselves?

Though sometimes abrasive, the comments in this thread are pretty dead-on. A simple search will show the discussion from three days ago about this subject.

And yes, copy-protecting your home movies is asinine Read bbulldog's comment.

yeah, drti2, I jut saw viplayer's kid's t-ball game being sold in Hong Kong for 50 cents. Damn bootleggers!!!

[jimmalenko]

With standalone players it's not so easy but for video that is intended to be played on computer only it is fairly easy to do something similar if you can program a bit. Using for example VB, read the video file as binary and add some leading, trailing and or imbedded bytes rewrite the output binary file with the extra bytes. It's also just as easy to develop your own software player which strips those extra bytes and plays the movie. No other player will play these clips but yours and you can also password protect the player. This is file protection not disc protection but it's effective. Downside is that it will not play on a standalone dvd player and those who know how to stream video could get around it but 99% or more of the people won't be able to. Technically you can do this with any file and it will work and only you have the offset key or keys as to where the real data is stored in the file(s).

I find this very interesting. It is almost too easy really.

In relation to adding copy protection, at the risk of being hounded for my naivety, most Joe Averages won't know how to copy your DVDs anyway. True, all they need to do is come here but all they need is a computer and a DVD burner as well. If Hollywood can't stop it, I don't like the chances of an individual.

I can understand the need to protect your investment if you are doing this sort of thing professionally but if you're doing it professionally then you probably shouldn't be doing it using a PC DVD burner anyway.

I expect past combatants such as triphop to have an opinion on this.

[drti2]

ok supk, non-bs post here for you smart ass, )))))))))))))

credit go to hutchca:

To add some constructive information to this thread...

The CSS system used by commercial DVD's, stores the encryption key in a special area of the DVD disc.
On a recordable DVD-R, this section of the disc is not recordable, it's hard coded with a blank encryption key.

This is done deliberately. Imagine if you could write to that area of the disc. You could then copy the encryption key from the original disc, so that copying a DVD would not require decrypting it. You could just copy the original disc bit for bit and it would play fine in any player.

So in order to keep the motion picture industry happy and avoid lawsuits, the makers of blank recordable discs (and drives) have made them in such a way as to make it physically impossible to record CCS encrypted data.

I should also tell you that there actually are blank recordable DVDs available that are capable of writing data to this area of the disc.
These blank DVDs are sold to professionals for authoring commercial DVDs. These authoring blanks are much more expensive and incompatible with consumer DVD-R drives.
Here's a PDF on the difference between "General Use" and "Authoring" type DVD-R discs.
http://www.cdrom2go.com/optical_media/DVDR_whitepaper.pdf

And my simple search came up with

DVD Workshop 2 claim to have both CSS and Macrovision, so I don't know how if they are lying or not.

If you buy the Canopus MVR pro, the card come with Ulead® DVD Workshop SE™, I don't know if this is the same as the DVD Workshop 2.

SE - second edition = 2
SE - strip down version = limited funtionality

So if anybody know about the Ulead® DVD Workshop SE™ vs. 2, let us know.