DVR-5100H-s with DV-IN/Out problems

[deepdown]

After recently receiving the recorder, and playing all night long.. I finally got a hold of a camcorder. Sony TRV-890E.
I plugged both ends of the IEEE 1394 (DV) cable into recorder and Sony.
Cable is 1 meter long. (about 6mm thick)

Then I turned on the camcorder.. entered the menu on recorder - but without luck.

Also tried turning on and off the camcorder to get respons.. but no.

But when I put the DV cable in and out of recorder, I can see on the camcorder-monitor that there is a short "flash" on the display.. So something is happening.

I called Pioneer service department, which where very nice to me.. but couldn't help me today, told me to call tomorrow. (I will do that )

But It still doesn't see the Camcorder. Anyone else had this problem ?

[PhilipL]

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[j_b]

After recently receiving the recorder, and playing all night long.. I finally got a hold of a camcorder. Sony TRV-890E.
I plugged both ends of the IEEE 1394 (DV) cable into recorder and Sony.
Cable is 1 meter long. (about 6mm thick)

Then I turned on the camcorder.. entered the menu on recorder - but without luck.

Also tried turning on and off the camcorder to get respons.. but no.

But when I put the DV cable in and out of recorder, I can see on the camcorder-monitor that there is a short "flash" on the display.. So something is happening.

I called Pioneer service department, which where very nice to me.. but couldn't help me today, told me to call tomorrow. (I will do that )



Is the input set to dv?

But It still doesn't see the Camcorder. Anyone else had this problem ?

[j_b]

Is the input set to dv?

[donpedro]

Is camcorder set to VCR (on my Sony it is called VCR) ?

Also I believe that (on my Sony camcorder) there are some options like enable DV IN/OUT, if I am not mistaken.

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donpedro; My camcorder does say "DV not ready" BUT!!
I can use the camcorder, connect it to PC with firewire and transfer movie from Cam->PC and PC-Cam.
(I'm guessing this is software controlled)

j_b; What you mean input ? You select inside the recorder menu - that you want to copy from DV -> HDD. Then a new screen comes up telling me that the camcorder is not connected, which ofcourse it is!

PhilipL; Yes, I'm going to try out with another iEEE cable. It might work. (and I really hope so!)

I've talked with support/repair today.. but i'm abit worried.. they didn't know what DV-in/out is.. how the heck should they know how to fix it ?
Anyway.. maybe they have another cable I might try out..

Thank you all for helping!

[j_b]

donpedro; My camcorder does say "DV not ready" BUT!!
I can use the camcorder, connect it to PC with firewire and transfer movie from Cam->PC and PC-Cam.
(I'm guessing this is software controlled)

j_b; What you mean input ? You select inside the recorder menu - that you want to copy from DV -> HDD. Then a new screen comes up telling me that the camcorder is not connected, which ofcourse it is!

PhilipL; Yes, I'm going to try out with another iEEE cable. It might work. (and I really hope so!)

I've talked with support/repair today.. but i'm abit worried.. they didn't know what DV-in/out is.. how the heck should they know how to fix it ?
Anyway.. maybe they have another cable I might try out..

Thank you all for helping!

I mean that if you connect wires to the dv input you select dv in. If you're connecting wires on the front left panel, you would select L2. The back 2 inputs are called L1 and L3. On the remote, look on right side near the top and you'll see input. Press that until you see dv in, on the front display on the unit, if thats what you are using.

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Yes, true.
I have selected... so that the display says "DV"
But it doesn't seem to send any signals from the camera, even when the camera is turn on "play video mode" or "record mode".

I also did take my cam to a specialist today. They will check it out.
Also said that making it region free would be possible, just pay alittle...
- BUT will I bee able to do this region-free stuff by myself ? (or does it require opening the box and soldering)

[deepdown]

Strange..
Even Pioneer service could not figure out the DV problem.
Tried with:
- 2 different DV cables.
- 2 different 5100 recorders.
- put camera in play/record mode, on and off = no respons

Has anyone tried this with a Sony DVcamera ?

[cchang]

Hi,

Please try this:


Turn Sony dv camcorder on VCR -->Menu -->VCR set --> A/V -->DV Out.

cchang

[deepdown]

I have a European modell.
Don't have any VCR option.
I have a "DV editing" which says; Not ready ..but the camera is hacked and allows both in/out signals through the DV connection.

If you say VCR - you mean "Play" ? Cause I did so.. but that didn't help.

[PhilipL]

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Philip;Thank you for sharing your experiences ..
I haven't tried any other other of the IN/OUT connections.. like video in/out s-video etc... but I'm hoping they will work perfect when I try them.

What your saying:

Unfortunately I have little faith in these recorders now after having one to play with, a few annoying bugs are surfacing,....

Auch.. that is NOT good news.

But I as wrote earlier, I visited the pioneer technical/repair team - and they opened another, brand new dvr-5100h-s player, and that one didn't work either.

So you are telling me to send the device back, and wait a couple of months, before buying the device again ??
..but, but... isn't this a firmware issue ? or.. I do have 2 years warranty, so if pioneer comes with "a fix", I can get that installed for free, right ?

I'm going to write sony, and hear what they have to say..

..seems like the DV isn't that easy after all

[PhilipL]

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[deepdown]

Thank you for writing so extensivly, again! 8)

When buying a product, I always check other similar products on the market.. and after reading this_and_that, I found the Pioneer to be the best choice for me and my girlfriend. (as she wants easy menus etc)

I may be a bit more patient than u, yes :P
But then I trust, and believe that if there are any faults to the device Pioneer WILL fix this. I mean - I pay a huge amount of money, and DO EXPECT PIONEER to fix products that may be faulty.

But.. you say, hardware problem.
Do you think that Pioneer won't fix a hardware problem ? Hmm...

I have heard from the Pioneer team that the player:
..has a unique code which it detects the HDD, so by removing the HDD and trying a bigger HDD the dvd-recorder LOCKS UP, you have to insert a "reset CD (?)" to unlock the player. That also is the same with the dvd-recorder which is inside. (correct me if i'm wrong)


The sony cam works flawlessly with PC. So no problems there.
But connecting to the Pioneer - that was no good

Have you heard any roumer that there is a new player coming ??
Or.. atleast that they are going to launch new versions of this device in some months ?

As they say with equitment - its easier to hack the old/first once 8)

[donpedro]

I have to confes that I didn't read everything very carefully, buy I would also consider checking camcorder. You had to "hack" it to enable DV IN/OUT. Maybe you should try one that is enabled directly from manufacturer to see if that can be source of this problem.

[deepdown]

I don't have any other cam corder here...
But I will try connecting the dvr-5100h-s with my ADVC-100

[ernet]

Hi Guys,

Talking about your 5100/ DV problems........
I have SONY Mini DV Camera DCR-TRV 16 which I bought over 2 yr ago.
Just after read sb. post with problem of DV in/out transfer I must confess
I do NOT any. It works fine however I chacked only one way transwer- IN . So far so good. Hope most of you don't have the problems as well. Anyway I like DV IN record menu on TV's screen very much and it
is a piece of cake to move all around it.

[curtw]

A... I finally got a hold of a camcorder. Sony TRV-890E.
I plugged both ends of the IEEE 1394 (DV) cable into recorder and Sony.
Cable is 1 meter long. (about 6mm thick)

Then I turned on the camcorder.. entered the menu on recorder - but without luck...

But It still doesn't see the Camcorder. Anyone else had this problem ?

I just got my 210, and I'm tinkering around. If I just hook them together, turn them on and press record, the Pioneer reports "no signal." The 210's manual says to press "play" on the camcorder, then immediately press "pause." When I do this, the 210 sees a signal and can start recording. Then I hit pause again to startup the camcorder, and off it goes...

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ernet
Thank you for posting, even though its your second posting.. (when I read the post) All info is useful, and now I know that "its working for you!".

curtw
What you write, seems logical..
1. maybe there are some difficulties witht the sony cams ?
2 Or is the Pioneer that are failing ?

[deepdown]

I connected the Pioneer directly to a VHS player.
Connected a full-scart cable between.
Pushed play on VHS, and REC on Pioneer..

.. since VHS tape (orginal) is not protected with macrovision..
It seems like the picture on Pioneer is just as good as the VHS.
(some people even said that picture could be alittle better.. but I'll have to test more to see that)

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Tried connecting the VHS with Scart plug with S-VIDEO, and into the ADVC100.. and from ADVC100 with DV-cable and into theDV-IN on Pioneer.
...but pictures is very bad. (hmm.. I must be doing something wrong here)

Next time I tried to do the same, the Pioneer didn't see any DV-device, HUH ?? It worked the first time.. but not the next, hmm...