Riddle me this DVD Man

[procrastination]

I was asked this question today, and although it was something that I "thought" I could answer, upon further exploration of the topic I realized that it was more complicated than I knew how to explain. Thus, I turn it over to the vast world. Please respond with an explnation of exactly why this is/isn't possible.

thanks

PRO

"Why is it that I can spend $400-800 to buy a DVD recorder that will go from an analog source straight to DVD, but I cannot get my 2.6gig w/ 1gig of memory computer to do the same thing?"

[next]

Good question.

[Will Hay]

Completely stupid ******* question.
A DVD recorder is for one purpose only.
Is a PC?
No, it isn't.
If you really want the answer read the guides.
Will Hay

[procrastination]

Well that was productive.

Is this guys DVD recorder as powerful as his PC? NO!

So why should his PC not be capable of completing a task that a dedicated piece of hardware can do?

late

PRO

[fmctm1sw]

Well that was productive.

Is this guys DVD recorder as powerful as his PC? NO!

So why should his PC not be capable of completing a task that a dedicated piece of hardware can do?

late

PRO

I'm betting he could find a $800 hardware MPEG2 capture card that would be just as good as his DVD recorder.... easily.... Is that what he wants?

[next]

Completely stupid ******* question.
A DVD recorder is for one purpose only.
Is a PC?
No, it isn't.
If you really want the answer read the guides.
Will Hay

Nice language. Thanks for the help.

The original question is legitimate.

[bigshotceo]

The simple reason is that a DVD recorder is designed specifically to do that job. As well, each part in a DVD recorder is designed to work perfectly together, which is not the case with open hardware PCs. It's the same way that you can buy an XBox for $200 that will arguably run games much better than any computer you could get at that price.

[procrastination]

Yes I realize that the reason a DVD recorder can do it is because "thats what its meant to do."

HOWEVER, the reason I posted my question is this: Exactly why can his computer (which is probably phenonomaly more powerful than the processor in a dvd recorder) not complete this task.

That is the question that I had trouble giving a response for.

This is the answer I gave him: A dvd recorder operates with NO operating system as we know it. It does not operate with the same CPU that your computer does. It works using something called a R.I.S.C. Chip. This is the brains of your computer and it is built for one thing: Taking an analog source and burning it to a DVD. Your computer has to use complex instructions to communicate with its hardware. Due to the interchangable nature of a PC, its not feesable for any company to release software that is capable of working simultanieously with ALL that hardware...

I guess my question is this: Have I touched on all the reasons why this is true, or is there a more in-depth explnation available. (Oh yeah, I also used the X-Box example in my explnation --- actually it was PS2 but same idea.)

According to someone its just a stupid question. I somehow think that this person does not know the answer either. Otherwise he might know that this is not the sort of thing that a "Guide" would offer.

late

PRO

[andkiich]

Will Hay,
RFLMAO - I needed a good laugh today, thanks for delivering.

The simple reason is that a DVD recorder is designed specifically to do that job. As well, each part in a DVD recorder is designed to work perfectly together, which is not the case with open hardware PCs. It's the same way that you can buy an XBox for $200 that will arguably run games much better than any computer you could get at that price.

BINGO! Give that man a cigar!

[bigshotceo]

I think it has something to do with the RAND Corporation and the Tri-Lateral Commission. That and those new Sour Skittles. Never trust the Skittles.....

[racer-x]

The simple answer would be. The computer is more than capable to do it with the correct hardware and software. The week link is the operator.

[FOO]

Will Hay,
RFLMAO - I needed a good laugh today, thanks for delivering.

I second that . Dunno why . It was rude . But funny . Funny wins

[lordsmurf]

User error.
It's easy to mess up a computer setup.
Besides breaking something, it's hard to go wrong with a recorder.

But then again, that depends on source.
The computer can often surpass a recorder.
And once again, it's all about the operator.

[indolikaa]

Indolikaa's Thoughts on the Matter...

Because any shnitzel can learn to program, but only the Chosen Few can afford to do it with certified Tools, SDKs and Code. The rest of the shnitzels have to make it up as they go along.

Standards. Who need 'em?

[FOO]

I think I can assure you guys that with the apropriate software
a recent PC could do an analog capture , encode to MPEG2 ,
and burn in real time .
There is a vast amount of overhead in Windows.

I used to make embedded controllers with 20 MHz 386SX chips.
They had no operating system and outran PCs at 200 MHz

[NYPlayer]

I record straight from my PC to a DVD+RW all the time using Windvd recorder. From Analog Cable to my PCTV Pro card to DVD+RW easy as 123.

[MrMungus]

The answer is: You can with a $129 MPEG-2 capture card (Videoh! does direct-to-DVD).

Will, why do you bother replying if you have absolutely nothing useful to add?

[racerxnet]

Will Hay sounds like a ******* dick in need of a fist shoved down his throat. While its passing thru his teeth he gets his dose of vitamin D. What an *******!

[Hardcoreruss]

Completely stupid ******* question.
A DVD recorder is for one purpose only.
Is a PC?
No, it isn't.
If you really want the answer read the guides.
Will Hay

Just found this one, quality as always Will

[Hardcoreruss]

Will Hay sounds like a ******* dick in need of a fist shoved down his throat. While its passing thru his teeth he gets his dose of vitamin D. What an *******!

Now who has bad language

I did not know that dicks had throats, you must be a big boy to get a whole fist down yours.

Does that really work for vitamin D ?

[MOVIEGEEK]

I don't like capturing and writing on-the-fly but there are many programs that can do this:Q-Video,Sonic MyDVD 4&5,NEODVD 4&5,etc.

BTW...Will Hay,this was a legitimate question and I think you were a little harsh.

[MrMungus]

I don't like capturing and writing on-the-fly but there are many programs that can do this:Q-Video,Sonic MyDVD 4&5,NEODVD 4&5,etc.

BTW...Will Hay,this was a legitimate question and I think you were a little harsh.

Which one of those did you like best? I don't think many people are doing direct-to-VOB yet so there's an information gap.

Also, which capture card are you using? I'm wondering which capture cards work with which programs (I have a Hauppauge PVR-250).

[MOVIEGEEK]

"Also, which capture card are you using? I'm wondering which capture cards work with which programs"

ATI AIW 7500 and my old ATI TV Wonder VE will work on MyDVD 4.What I've read on this and other forums is the newer versions(5) are having a problem with analog cards and are designed for firewire.Case in point..I upgraded Arcsoft Showbiz(I know don't laugh) to the latest version and now it can't find my analog capturecards.

[MrMungus]

"Also, which capture card are you using? I'm wondering which capture cards work with which programs"

ATI AIW 7500 and my old ATI TV Wonder VE will work on MyDVD 4.What I've read on this and other forums is the newer versions(5) are having a problem with analog cards and are designed for firewire.Case in point..I upgraded Arcsoft Showbiz(I know don't laugh) to the latest version and now it can't find my analog capturecards.

I just read someone else on this forum say that you should not upgrade to 5 because that version disables some options and won't "see" one (or more) of the Adaptec cards...I think this forum.

I have MyDVD 4.5 on a computer here that has only an analog capture card and it doesn't see the card as an acceptable input source (though it did see the Videoh! card back when I had it installed on that computer).

Do those programs to Firewire > VOB (direct to DVD) on the fly? I didn't think they could do it from a Firewire source, only an MPEG-2 capture card source...?

[marvel2020]

Now i may be mistaken but doesn't NeoDVD Plus and i think Ulead Movefactory 2/3 do excactly what he wants, capture straight from source to DVD.

Am i wrong ?

[MrMungus]

Now i may be mistaken but doesn't NeoDVD Plus and i think Ulead Movefactory 2/3 do excactly what he wants, capture straight from source to DVD.

Am i wrong ?

I know for sure that NeoDVD and Sonic MyDVD do. Don't know about MF7 (yet, hehe).

[Will Hay]

Will Hay sounds like a ******* dick in need of a fist shoved down his throat. While its passing thru his teeth he gets his dose of vitamin D. What an *******!

racerxnet eh?
I remember you from my ADVC vs ATI screenshots thread.
I now remember the opinion I formed of you at that time.
Here, click here, release your energy and stop your bleating.
I'll look out for your future posts on all topics from now on
Will

[Will Hay]

BTW...Will Hay,this was a legitimate question and I think you were a little harsh.

Yes, you're right, I take it back procrastination/next, I'm sorry.
Must have been a bad day but no excuse
Surely everyone can see the logistics of the answer?
The simple fact that a DVD recorder is made to do exactly that, whereas a PC is designed to (try) encompass a whole host of tasks.
If this wasn't the case Windows would be flawless.
I aren't posting to debate this subject, the thread finished within three posts
I've made my apologies (above) and now I'll go lay in the gutter with my scotch.
Will Hay

[indolikaa]

...and now I'll go lay in the gutter with my scotch.

What kind of scotch? Not that Pikey shit, I hope.

[Will Hay]

...and now I'll go lay in the gutter with my scotch.

What kind of scotch? Not that Pikey shit, I hope.

Nah, the proper stuff, Scottish Scotch you gimp!
Will