copying a dvd... keeping the CSS protection

[cangrejitoplayero]

have a nice day

[presto]

1) If you give someone a back-up it isn't a back-up

2) What kind of "pirate-seller" doesn't know how to copy a DVD?

3) Why deal with this liar at all?

If for some reason you still want to help this liar/friend out how about loaning or giving him the original and you keep the copy?

[Bob W]

What he said.

[tompika]

If for some reason you still want to help this liar/friend out how about loaning or giving him the original and you keep the copy?

It would be illegal wouldn't it?

[overloaded_ide]

Not sure but I don't think you can make a disk with that protection still on it.

Maybe DVDxcopy if you have it available. I think it is supposed to display a notice for a few seconds you are watching a backup copy and also somehow protects the disk from further copies being made.

Of course it can still be copied by anyone that can copy a real DVD, but at least it stops normall disk to disk copies like the pirate guy might want to do. If he can't make copies of the real disk, maybe he can't do those either!

I think I would just keep the disk to myself and not make any copies for any-one! Actually you should not be giving away copies to your friend any more than the pirate should be selling them, if this is a copyrighted protected disk!!!
Also if your friend lied to you, another good reason not to make him one even if the disk were public domain and free to copy.

I only mention the Xcopy incase you want to make a LEGAL backup for yourself! That way if your friend swipes the copy it still does him no good!! If it is a rare disk you might want your own backup copy and put away the real disk nice and safe!

One last thing you could maybe do since you know a pirate wants the disk
Hope they don't watch it and burn him a porn movie on the disk instead! Let him sell that as being a rock DVD and see what happens to his businesses!!
And make sure it is a low quality nasty public domain one no-one will want!

And come to think of it, maybe the fact you want to give away a disk like this could be considered warez and breaking the rules here, so I would not do that or ask about doing that. If the pirate ain't supposed to be selling it and it's protected, making a copy for your friend is warez!!
Pirating for free instead of profit is about as bad!! And that's what your doing if you give away any copies!!

DON"T break the RULES here!!

[overloaded_ide]

Dang it took me 13 minutes to type my post, or more, I was the first here!!

Course I am rebuilding my main box and left a couple time to see how the new Hard drive was doing

[Bob W]

DVDX Copy only stops other copies being made with DVDX Copy so that won't work.

Tell your friend to pirate his own DVD's.

[lordsmurf]

People whine too much. Either do it or don't. This isn't the place to hang your dirty laundry.

You can't copy CSS.

[presto]

presto wrote:
If for some reason you still want to help this liar/friend out how about loaning or giving him the original and you keep the copy?
It would be illegal wouldn't it?

Good point.

[cangrejitoplayero]

well is so hard to my
reply (and make the post/question too) in english

he don't know how to copy because he don't know a lot of computers

he is using a duplicator stand-alone and not a pc, it only copy not-protected dvd's

don't think that he is a grand pirate-dealer, he only is selling dvd's discretelly the weekends on the used-things market

i am not interesed in get a copy to me, you can understand that
if this is the situation i don't need to make this answer in this forum, really my principal interest is learning how to make a protected copy (a not-protected copy is so easy) and not to give a copy to my friend

[vitualis]

You can only burn a DVD-R with CSS if you own a DVD-R (Authoring) drive -- which I can almost 100% assume that you don't have.

Regards.

[Bob W]

Some threads seem to loose all logic after about seven replies LOL.

So let me see this dude wants to make copies on his duplicator and sell them. You want to give him a "copy" that is CSS protected which we all know he will not be able to copy on his duplicator. No I'm not confused bwhahaha.

[lordsmurf]

Some threads seem to loose all logic after about seven replies LOL.

So let me see this dude wants to make copies on his duplicator and sell them. You want to give him a "copy" that is CSS protected which we all know he will not be able to copy on his duplicator. No I'm not confused bwhahaha.

I agree.

Pot calling the kettle black.

When I first read this thread, some choice words came to mind, but I'm not going to write them down (don't need to break forum rules).

Pirate doesn't want other pirates to copy his goodies. Wah. Boo hoo.

[cangrejitoplayero]

Thanks vitualis, is the thing I am looking know

Trust that really don't want to give a illegal copy to black-market, even and don't like me the heavy rock like the DVD mentioned and i don't want a copy for me. The truth reason is that if somebody here knows a few of other language, knows the difficult to explain some situation like mine in non-native language and I don't know a lot of english

[cangrejitoplayero]

yeah Bob W you are right


but my interest is no "give it" ...is "know it"
in fact, i can don't give him and say to him "sorry, i tried i cannot did"
is the thirst of knowhood the motif (reason) of my post

[freestyler]

general use dvd-r discs can't contain css encryption. simple as that. if he needs css encryption, tell him to send it to a bootleg replicator, which can put the replicator as well as himself in highly possible multi-million dollar legal turmoil, especially if it is in fact "rare" and magically appears in print for the masses. if you haven't already noticed, css encryption is USELESS! The best you can do is put a warning that all second generation pirates will be hunted down by the mafia 8)

[andydd]

cangrejitoplayero

try saying that after a few beers !

Wot a bizzare post, I seem to recall a similar post b4 from a guy who wanted to put CSS on his COPIES so other (less intelligent than him) people couldnt copy it....

As others have said CSS only exists on authoring discs and is useless anyway.

Heres an idea....dont remove CSS..just do a straight DVD to DVD-R copy, then no-one will be able to play or copy it (well...you will..but it will be complete garbage!)

[overloaded_ide]

Wot a bizzare post, I seem to recall a similar post b4 from a guy who wanted to put CSS on his COPIES so other (less intelligent than him) people couldnt copy it....

Yes I remeber that well, as a matter of fact I was going to give him a link to that post and tell him to read that one for answers

Couldn't find it in a hurry though and I am in the middle of rebuilding my main system and didn't have time to look very hard.

Nothing wrong with the main box (or wasn't before I started anyway)
I just had to much money last Friday and got my new drives yesterday

[SLK001]

You can only burn a DVD-R with CSS if you own a DVD-R (Authoring) drive -- which I can almost 100% assume that you don't have.

Regards.

Even an Authoring DVD-R cannot store a CSS key. The region in the LEAD-IN where the key would go is embossed out, just like on a General DVD-R disc.

Here's a quote from the DVD White Paper written by Pioneer:
"Either type of DVD-R media can be used for DVD video authoring, which is the process of preparing video content for use in DVD video players. It should be noted, however, that CSS encryption cannot be used with either type of DVD-R media."

[Supreme2k]

Here's the topic:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17797

And another one:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=176848



BTW, I stole a Laptop computer. I'm going to sell it to this guy for fairly cheap. Is there any way I can protect the laptop so that he can't sell it for even more?

[overloaded_ide]

BTW, I stole a Laptop computer. I'm going to sell it to this guy for fairly cheap. Is there any way I can protect the laptop so that he can't sell it for even more

Yes, take a rotory tool and grind the price into the LED display in nice big numbers! Like $250 at 6"hX12"w right in the middle, that should do the trick

[cangrejitoplayero]

jejeje

you like to see the blood run....like a butcher
please sure to bash a strong slash to the chicken

[Supreme2k]

I smell otaku.

[vitualis]

You can only burn a DVD-R with CSS if you own a DVD-R (Authoring) drive -- which I can almost 100% assume that you don't have.

Regards.

Even an Authoring DVD-R cannot store a CSS key. The region in the LEAD-IN where the key would go is embossed out, just like on a General DVD-R disc.

Here's a quote from the DVD White Paper written by Pioneer:
"Either type of DVD-R media can be used for DVD video authoring, which is the process of preparing video content for use in DVD video players. It should be noted, however, that CSS encryption cannot be used with either type of DVD-R media."

That's interesting... Does anyone know what the differences between "authoring" and "general" drives are then?

Regards.

[SLK001]

That's interesting... Does anyone know what the differences between "authoring" and "general" drives are then?

Regards.

When the General media came out, it was designed to use a 650nm laser, instead of the 635nm laser of the "previous" format, now known as Authoring media. It could be that the 650nm laser was much cheaper than the 635nm. At the time that the General media came out, Pioneer added a new feature to the Authoring media called Cutting Master Format (CMF), which allowed the Authoring media to be used as a direct replacement for DLT master tapes. To quote Pioneer:
"The CMF capability is one reason why Pioneer anticipates that Authoring drives and media will continue to be utilized in the professional DVD environment; General media does not accomodate this feature."

or, "we aren't going to abandon our DVD recordable pioneers by dumping the 635nm media..." They still sell the DVR-S201.

Here's a link to obtain the Pioneer white papers on DVD-R media:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/article/0,,2076_4245_52007,00.html

[Crawl]

Bringing CSS onto a backup is possible with Adobe Encore.

Crawl

[bugster]

Bringing CSS onto a backup is possible with Adobe Encore.

Crawl

Have you read *ANY* of the posts in this thread. It is NOT possible to use CSS encryption on any form of recordable DVD. Only pressed DVD's can use this. Read the thread properly to see this.

The setting in Adobe Encore is probably there for when people send masters (on DLT tape or DVDr) to a pressing plant that signals CSS encryption is to be used and what the keys are. The Masters themselves (tape or DVDr) are not encrypted with CSS.