Should I care about MMC 8.7 ?

Hi all,

As hard as it is to believe, I am still stucked in crappy shit ATI MMC software, as it is the only one that seems to support Brazilian color format PAL-M;
As a curiosity, for example, Main Concept creators have probably heard that in Brazil the color format is PAL-M, they neglected the "M" letter and their sw stucks in European PAL format when I choose Brazil as the Country......isn't it, how can I say, unbelievable ?

Intervideo WinDVR seems great, but the version I have doesn't record audio at 48 KHz and, worst point, it doesn't have a real-time counter of captured X dropped frames, so not really worthy;

ATI crap MMC 8.5 doesn't work properly for me, it generally refuses to keep my customized settings and, worst, the schedule function doesn't work when format is MPEG. Maybe it has something to do with the hardware, I know two friends with AMD processors and for them this piece of crap is also buggy. Anyway, I had been using it to transfer my VHS tapes in MPEG-2 real time....at least until this afternoon....

Now, worst of all, whenever I try to use this thing, after a few minutes, I have on my screen that hell message "this program has found an error and needs to close...."...let me say that I haven't changed ANYTHING recently on my machine;

LordSmurf told me to do not even try 8.6 cause it is buggy as well, but now I am afarid I have no option but try 8.6 or, maybe "less worse", 8.7. Has anyone had experiences with this new version ?

Any comments about Catalyst 3.8 ?

Thanks,

Andre

[lordsmurf]

The 8.7 was the fix for problems unleashed in 8.6 (mostly just the timer function and some system dropped frames on 8.6 for no reason). Try it.

Trusty old ATI MMC 7.7 may be good for you too, just less features than the 8.x series.

[MOVIEGEEK]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks MMC is worthless.(no offense lordsmurf )
You might try Ulead VideoStudio or Ulead DVD MovieFactory to capture.Catalyst 3.8 will probably not do anything for your 8500DV,it seems the latest drivers fix gaming bugs on the 9000 series.
Here's a great ATI website: www.rage3d.com

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks MMC is worthless.(no offense lordsmurf )
You might try Ulead VideoStudio or Ulead DVD MovieFactory to capture.Catalyst 3.8 will probably not do anything for your 8500DV,it seems the latest drivers fix gaming bugs on the 9000 series.
Here's a great ATI website: www.rage3d.com

Thanks, actually, I have UVS6, but I need a TV aplication, with a scheduler function;

WinDVR3 seems to be almost perfect, its only but important drawback is the lack of real time frame counter;

[presto]

MMC has been great for me. I don't doubt that it has been as bad for you guys as you say. I've had programs that drove me crazy when others swore they were the best thing around.

Well, as I had no choice unless to try to make this shit called MMC to work, I did this :


1) reformated HD
2) Instaled Windows XP plus SP 1
3) instaled NVIDIA drivers
4) Instaled support for USB 2.0 (from original MB instalation CD)
5) Instaled 3Com ethernet driver (also)
6) Instaled Direct X 9.0a
7) Instaled Windows Media Encoder 9
8) instaled full Catalyst 3.7
9) Instaled Audio card drivers ONLY
10) Instaled MMC 8.5

Runned the scheduler using DVD format........what ? what ???

ABSOLUTELY N-O-T-H-I-N-G has been recorded to specified folder on the HD !!!!

It's unbelievable, now there's nothing to be done anymore at all.

Here it ends my ATI headaches, now it's time to welcome Intervideo WinDVR, even without a real time frame counter.

Andre

[Sulik]

It seems that people with a TV-Wonder are experiencing more problems with MMC than Radeon AIW users.
For AIWs (I owned a 7500AIW, 8500AIW and now a 9700AIW), MMC has been great, and I haven't found anything that came close for real-time MPEG capturing quality.

MMC 8.7 seems to fix many of the problems people had with 8.6 (dropped frames on some systems, and bad MPEG1 aspect ratio), so it may be a good idea to install it if you have an AIW.

It seems that people with a TV-Wonder are experiencing more problems with MMC than Radeon AIW users.
For AIWs (I owned a 7500AIW, 8500AIW and now a 9700AIW), MMC has been great, and I haven't found anything that came close for real-time MPEG capturing quality.

MMC 8.7 seems to fix many of the problems people had with 8.6 (dropped frames on some systems, and bad MPEG1 aspect ratio), so it may be a good idea to install it if you have an AIW.

I have a AIW 8500DV, MMC 8.7 doesn't work either;

Thanks anyway;

[overloaded_ide]

Well if those high numbers ain't working for you try dropping back to MMC 7.7, it works great for me, though I had a problem with the timer not shutting down the captures. But I think it's caused by someting else I did, not the MMC 7.7 directly. Haven't tried fixing it since it's not that important to me.

I never tried the higher versions.

Does anyone know a way to delete those stupid presets ATI puts in?
I select one and the Delete is grayed out, but select mine and I have the option to delete it!
I would really like to get those useless preset out of my way!

[lordsmurf]

Well if those high numbers ain't working for you try dropping back to MMC 7.7, it works great for me, though I had a problem with the timer not shutting down the captures. But I think it's caused by someting else I did, not the MMC 7.7 directly. Haven't tried fixing it since it's not that important to me.

I never tried the higher versions.

Does anyone know a way to delete those stupid presets ATI puts in?
I select one and the Delete is grayed out, but select mine and I have the option to delete it!
I would really like to get those useless preset out of my way!

That is a feature of MMC 8.x.
I think Stinky's tool can adjust 7.x, but never tried.

[macm]

I have a AIW 9700PRO and MMC 8.7 works great!! No dropped frames at all (MPEG-2 or AVI caps) and quality is great too. Maybe all those issues comes from hardware/software (drives??), but as Lordsmurf said, MMC is supposed to work better with it's own device (ATI AIW cards). After all, buggs happens all over the world, even (!??) Windows products are far from perfection...

Anyway, why are you trying only PAL-M? NTSC is as good as PAL-M, but only a few lines more, and that does not make any difference at all, when playing on TV set's. Besides every TV set and DVD players and VHS VCR's nowadays have both choice to configure (AUTO/PAL-M/NTSC) and there is no reason to keep PAL-M as one's only choice.

[macm]

Just as a complement...

Actually what to do and what to use is a matter of taste. I've been trying and testing all sorts of software, Pinnacle, Ulead, even Roxio DVD builder that came with my DVD writer, and found all crappy, not as good as MMC. But what seems to be crap, shit for me does not mean that would be crap for you!! Even on procedures for capping I use 2 or 3 different ones, based on source quality. Mostly I do MPEG-2, but sometimes go for AVI and TMPGEnc for encoding.

All is a matter of trying (and getting lucky!)

[dudeman316]

Is this used for ATI TV VE as well???

All I can think is it's a conflict with my HARDWARE, as I said, I reformated my HD reinstallled only Windows and MMC, and it doesn't work - there were no other sw's at all installed !

I have an AMD processor, maybe it's the reason ? Of course I won't change the CPU, and it's clear for me that MMC isn't a stable sw, as it works for some people and not for others;

I am an engineer and I use some really professional sw's at my job - I know what is a stable software...

I have ended my ATI headcahes, it's installed again and the scheduler doesn't work. I'll try regular capture in a few hours, if it hangs, I'll uninstall this shit F-O-R-E-V-E-R;

I have tried 7.6, 7.7, 8.1, 8.5, and 8.7 - ALL CRAP !

Regarding the PAL-M question, it's the standard broadcast system in my Country, Brazil, so I have to use it;

Cheers,

Andre

[macm]

FYI,

European PAL-M is the SAME as Brasilian PAL-M! No differences! Exactly the same!!

Don't expect everything works for everyone or for every set up! Have you tried to mount a truck tire in a, let's say, Ford Focus? or vice-versa? It's that simple! It could be done, with some adjustments, but the results can be unpredictable.
Of course, if a piece of software does not work properly, some fine adjustments may be needed. And these adjustments is a matter of research...or luck. You can judge on the average or statistics: if it works for the most, then it is not crap or defective, it only happened not to work for some . why? You've got it! May be a hardware conflict or so.
Want a example? I got a Santa Cruz sound card, some says it rocks, it's wonderful, stable, but for me, it didn't help!!! It was not deffective, only didn't work in my configuration.
SO I disagreed about MMC being crap or shit!

[macm]

just to add,

unstable software does not mean the software works for some and does not work for others. Since the software works all the way, without crashing, doing what it is supposed to do, from start to end, then it is a stable software. If it does not work smoothly for someone, then maybe it is not compliant with other hardware/software configurations. There is nothing to do with stability.

FYI,

European PAL-M is the SAME as Brasilian PAL-M! No differences! Exactly the same!!

Don't expect everything works for everyone or for every set up! Have you tried to mount a truck tire in a, let's say, Ford Focus? or vice-versa? It's that simple! It could be done, with some adjustments, but the results can be unpredictable.
Of course, if a piece of software does not work properly, some fine adjustments may be needed. And these adjustments is a matter of research...or luck. You can judge on the average or statistics: if it works for the most, then it is not crap or defective, it only happened not to work for some . why? You've got it! May be a hardware conflict or so.
Want a example? I got a Santa Cruz sound card, some says it rocks, it's wonderful, stable, but for me, it didn't help!!! It was not deffective, only didn't work in my configuration.
SO I disagreed about MMC being crap or shit!

Thanks, I wasn't even aware that an European Country uses PAL-M, which one ?
I have to use it anyway to get TV broadcasts;

Regarding the stable X uninstable debate, it's just my point of view, really. As I said, once I reformated my HD and instaled ONLY MMC, it's clear that there's no conflict with any other sw;

WinDVR works perfectly, same functions, etc; its only but important drawback is to do not include a frame counter - MMC does....

So, IMHO, WinDVR is stable, MMC isn't, ATI hasn't tested it properly in all kinds of hardware;

Thanks,

Andre

[neo]

I have a 7500 AIW. What is the best version for it? I tried the lastest and Control Panel will not install. The video file player does not work well.

I have a 7500 AIW. What is the best version for it? I tried the lastest and Control Panel will not install. The video file player does not work well.

Do you use AMD or Pentium ?

I know 3 people with AMD processors that MMC doesn't work properly,

Maybe LordSmurf may help you im a more enthusiastic way 8) , as I am definitely disapointed by MMC. I tried many versions - all CRAP !

If you are "lucky" like me, let me say that for now UVS and WinDVR seems to work OK;

Good luck,

Andre

[neo]

I have a P 3.06 533 FSB HT

I have a P 3.06 533 FSB HT

Regarding the drivers, Catalyst 3.7 seems OK - I have read problems about 3.8 at the Rage3D site;

Regarding MMC, people say that from 7.7 to 8.5 are nice, 8.6 is indeed buggy - for me, ALL are buggy;

I have just found that UVS doesn't drop frames when capturing from the same VHS tape that MMC dropped lots of frames - and I have set it the harder way !

Good luck,

[MOVIEGEEK]

I have a 7500 AIW. What is the best version for it? I tried the lastest and Control Panel will not install. The video file player does not work well.

I use Cat. 2.3(8/15/2002) because the AIW7500 doesn't support fast-writes and the newer drivers offer no improvements for DX8.1,If you have DX9 installed you might try Cat. 3.2.