MPEG 1 ISO DVDs

[Danzauker]

Hello everybody

I have an Amstrad 2320 DVD tabletop player which is recorded as capable of playind DVDs burned with MPEG files on it withaut any authoring process.

Is there any special way to do them?

I ask this because I have some DVDs I made with mpeg files (VCD resolution) which are not not recognized by the player.

A friend of mine gave me some other DVDs and those when inserted present me a list of files to choose from, and they work.

I use a Linux system, also for burning DVDs. My disks are reported as ISO fylesystems when inserted. My friend's as UDF.

Anybody can help? Are there any Windows freeware apps I can use to burn UDF DVDs (maybe I can get them to work with Wine or another emulator)?

Thx

[poopyhead]

guide for VCD-DVD...

https://www.videohelp.com/vcddvdr.htm

[Danzauker]

I read the guide, and I noticed the footnote about MPEG1/2 ISOs, and this seems to be my case.

In facts it's just what I did. I took my MPEG files and instead of burning a VCD like I used to do, I burned a normal data DVD.

Yet, the Amstrad player didn't play it (note that all my "regular" data DVDs work flawlessly both on Linux and Windows PCs).

That's why I guessed the problem could lie in the UDF format.

There are no tools I know of that can burn UDF filesystems under Linux.

If somebody can point me to a simple tool (the simpler it is, the higher the chances I can get it to work under Linux are) just to burn the DVD.

I can do all the editing or conversion with other tools myself. I think the problem is all in the real imaging and burning process.

[poopyhead]

I read the guide, and I noticed the footnote about MPEG1/2 ISOs, and this seems to be my case.

In facts it's just what I did. I took my MPEG files and instead of burning a VCD like I used to do, I burned a normal data DVD.

well...perhaps you should try the other way as stated in that guide...to actually create a VCD-DVD

cuz you sure your dvd player supports MPEG1/2 ISO??

may wanna check here first: https://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers.php?DVDname=&Search=Search&mpegiso=1&Submit2=Search

[Danzauker]

I already did it!

This was the reason I bought that brand in the first place :P

A friend of mine owns it, too, and he reccomended it to me. He's a Windows user, though.

I was reading around this site about "ImgTools"

Do you think it would suit my needs?

[poopyhead]

so, you're not willing to make a VCD-DVD, you only wana make MPEG1/2 ISO??

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btw, those VCD files.... are they completely standard??? no xVCDs right??

also, are you taking the avesq01.dat files from VCD??? cuz you need to strip out the VCD headers first if you did that.

[Danzauker]

Yes.

My main goal in getting that particular brand of player was exactly the fact that I could burn regulad data DVDs and play them also in the tabletop, without any authoring.

Unfortunately I wasn't aware of this Linux UDF limitation.

I understand that "regular" DVDs have various filesystem "layers" upon it, so even if you call them "ISO" they ALSO have a main UDF filesystem, am I right?

Anyway, yes, what I need is some simple tool that given compliant MPEG1 files produces a regular data DVD playable by those tabletop players that support MPEG1/2 ISO. No more. The simpler the better.

[poopyhead]

The simpler the better.

not always the case

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there are DVD burning proggies you can try

nero

nero express

RecordNow Max

maybe...copytodvd and Prassi PrimoDVD as well, dunno...

all in tools section: https://www.videohelp.com/tools.php#Burn

there are trialware versions of most of these..so you should still be able to use them.

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but, you may need to put in more effort if want yours to work. (i.e. actually making a VCD-DVD) keep in mind if you were to upgrade dvd players and/or lend yours out to a friend, then you have have compatibility problems as most likely than not, your new player and your friend's player will not support MPEG1/2 ISO.

[Danzauker]

Yes, you're perfectly right, but since I'll have to find a way to make that tool work under linux ia an emulator, chances are higher if the tool is simple, I think.

Plus, I want it to be a freeware product.

I know there are ways to make Nero work under Linux, but I'd prefer not to buy it.

[dcsos]

Prassi would be the simple one in my guess the entire program is
2.5 MEGABYTES TOTAL

all the other are over 10 MEGABYTES of code
Good Luck
I assume you're porting this stuff to LINUX from your unusual line of questioning

and yes all DVD's are UDF file system

[Danzauker]

Aw no! not porting!!

I'm surely not up to the task.

Besides, porting a full pgm would mean that I'd be able to erite my own UDF writing module, so I could modify existing Linux programs

No, no, I'll just try to run an executable through an emulator for God's sake!!

[Dragonsf]

My player plays mpeg directly from ISO (not UDF).But sometimes I have to burn these files with RecordNow Max and not my standard NERO.
Your problem seems to be your burning program under Linux.

[Danzauker]

mmhh... there's basically just ONE recording software for linux.

That is cdrecord/cdrdao (dvdrecord actually).

Things get tricky

[Dragonsf]

Welcome to real life! :P
Now you have had all your fun and suddenly you are confronted with serious business.What do you think, how many companies are doing serious video stuff with Linux (I'm not talking about rendering)?

[Danzauker]

Well, I don't know if making an UDF filesystem counts as "serious video thing"

Anyway, sure not many companies, but Avidemux and MPlayer more than substituted anything I needed to do with tmpgenc and MediaPlayer.

k3b is another very nice burning software, though i found myself quicker by recalling my last command line.

BTW, I passed under Linux because Win2000 and Nero had the small problem of wrecking up ALL the VCDs I made by somehow making them completely impossible both to play on my PC and to rip them back to disk. Guess it was something wrong in the way they made up the ISO tracks.

So, maybe karma hitting back. I don't know. Anyway, your post doesn't help me very much...

[Dragonsf]

I don't know, if a DVD player can play mpegs from UDF.Mine can't.
Sorry, not being helpful with putting salt into the Linux wound.

[Danzauker]

It'd just that I wouldn't like to see the thread to become a Linux vs. Windows pointless slugfest

I have no problems using Windows native apps if need be.

Since I have done a lot of VCD editing and burning both in Windows and Linux, I'm pretty sure the files I got are VCD compliant.

Having recently bought a DVD burner and a MPEG1/2 ISO compliant tabletop player, I hoped to get the "best from two worlds" by burning regular good-old data DVDs crammed of MPEG 1 files, which could also be played by my player without furter editing.

Or so that's what I hoped, seems I'm still missing something.

Question: if the DVDs I got from my friend (I don't know what soft he used but 99.9% it's Windows based) are mounted on Linux as UDF, am I correct in guessing that every DVD is an UDF filesystem which bears "over it" a ISO filesystem, just like VCDs have a "fake" ISO?

[Suprnaut]

Umm mkisofs makes can create a UDF iso image. I think the option is -u or -U. Do a search for how to make a data dvd with mkisofs.

[Danzauker]

Yep you're right.

I read through the manual page and i founf the options -udf and -video-dvd that make up the UDF filesystem onto a DVD.

Now my pc DOES see them as UDF when I mount them.

Unfortunately, my tabletop still doesn't recognize the disks I make as valid.

I'm beginning to think that It doesn't actually support MPEG1/2 ISO, even though dvdrhelp.com reports it so.

I have to investigate my friends disks further.

Could it be that the player doesn't actually support MPEG1/2 ISO but just can show me as a list of file the tracks in a badly mastered DVD video (wrong IFOs, etc,)?

[Dragonsf]

In your very first post you stated, that some mpegs on ISO (given/made by your friend) actually worked.If that so, than your player normally likes mpegs on ISO.I still believe your problem lies within the burning process, because I had the same problem, which was solved by switching from NERO to RecordNow Max.I can not even tell where the difference is (looking at the result), but there is something.

[Danzauker]

Yes you're right. Those DVDs worked.

Actually, I have no clue about how they were made. I'll look inside the file structure tonight in order to find out more.

He gave me those DVDs before leaving for holidays, and they didn't work on my father's tabletop player.

I put them in mine and I was presented with a browasble filelist (which contained just one file).

That's why I assumed they were MPEG1/2 ISOs.

Now I'm wondering if they could just be badly authored video DVDs, which my particular player is capable of handling.

I'll find out tonight I hope.

One last question. I heard there are different "kinds" of UDF (1.01, 1.05 ...)

Could it be an important issue?

[Dragonsf]

More likely not bad authored, but bad burned!As posted before, I had a similar problem:a good authored DVD badly burned showed the same problem: when played in one player:no joy at all (bad disk).On my newer one:I just see the VIDEO_TS directory and the first VOB.