Issues of DVD copy protection

[snipah9]

Hello, I have a dvd img file here created with Macrovision's APS & CGMS copy protection scheemes. I'm having difficulty finding authoring software that understands images created with a 2054 (i believe) sector size to burn with. Any suggestions? Thanks....

[BJ_M]

you don't burn it - you send it out to get duplicated ...

(well you could burn it with a pioneer 201 writer ) ...

but don't understand what you mean by an authoring app to to read it .. you or someone already created it .. you cant edit it per say ..

[snipah9]

sorry for the confusion.. all i'm trying to do is burn the image. I thouhgt you could burn images protected with APS or CGMS. I know you cant burn CSS protection. Replication is my only option to get this image to disc? I'm using a Sony DRU500A. So far I havent found an authoring program that will burn this image (2054 sector size due to copy protection). I've heard GearPro will, but no success thus far.

Bascially all I'm looking for is a program that will burn an image with a sector size of 2054.

[vance43211]

rip it with smartripper to take out any copy protection

[Conquest10]

rip it with smartripper to take out any copy protection

he wants to burn it WITH the copy protection. read next time.

[jeex]

i doubt it will work.. but maybe mount the image file through daemon and then do a disc to disc copy on the fly?

[FulciLives]

i doubt it will work.. but maybe mount the image file through daemon and then do a disc to disc copy on the fly?

I say mount the IMAGE file with DAEMON TOOLS then RIP it with DVD DECRYPTER (in ISO READ MODE) creating a new IMAGE file that should be free of copy protection. Then the new IMAGE file should burn to a DVD using any DVD BURNING program (again DVD Decrypter can do this in ISO WRITE MODE).

At least if it works you have it on DVD eventhough it doesn't have the copy protection.

Like if you read this website then why even bother with the copy protection. I mean all you need is the FREEWARE program DVD DECRYPTER or SMARTRIPPER and bye bye copy protection

Like DUH

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[BJ_M]

sorry for the confusion.. all i'm trying to do is burn the image. I thouhgt you could burn images protected with APS or CGMS. I know you cant burn CSS protection. Replication is my only option to get this image to disc? I'm using a Sony DRU500A. So far I havent found an authoring program that will burn this image (2054 sector size due to copy protection). I've heard GearPro will, but no success thus far.

Bascially all I'm looking for is a program that will burn an image with a sector size of 2054. :)

prassi will happly burn it but you will get a coaster if you do this on the sony ..

[vance43211]

rip it with smartripper to take out any copy protection

he wants to burn it WITH the copy protection. read next time.

first of all

i've read it wrong

but so what

it's not really none of your business

why don't you help somebody out for once

instead of always posting just to make "smart comments"

(i leave it at that, because i don't have time to get into another argument with your simple butt)

snipah9

have you tried just burning the disc as a data disc with any burning program?

don't if you burn the disc with macrovison in it , won't the disc turn out wrong with the macrovision implemented on the video?

or if you want a disc that is copy protected

use instantcopy 7

and insert mark errors on your disc

click on details of instant copy 7, then click processing, then click new, then click mark errors

although as fulcilives states

you can still decrypt it with smartripper or dvd decrypter

[snipah9]

Ok let me say right out that I do WANT the copy protection scheemes to be burnt on the discs i create from this image. The image was made espically for this pourpose. Ripping and Decrypting will null my intent. I'm trying to simply create copy protected discs using the Macrovision APS (Type 1) and CGMS scheemes.

Now, every type of burning software that I've tried does not like this image. And yes, I've tried to virtually mount it using daemon tools and alcohol 120% to no avail. They dont like it either. I get the same type of error msg (basically) on all programs. They dont like the fact that its created with a sector size of 2054 instead of the "norm" 2048. The extra 6 bytes is essential for the copy protection scheemes, so re-creating it at 2048 does no good. And burning it as raw data bombs as well. I've tested this cracker out several times.

Howver, I do believe I found the answer to all this. It seems as tho it wont matter what piece of software I use. Bottom line is that in order to burn these type of copy protections you need more than just a dvd-r drive, you need a dvd authoring drive. To the best of my findings, these drives are all SCSI interface and cost a mint. That is the reason Scenarist will only burn with these type of drives, (SCSI) I believe. Still it would be nice to find a piece of software that will reckognize a 2054 byte/sector disc image.

[vance43211]

what happen when you try to burn it as a data dvd instead of dvd video?

also a lot of companies inserts marked errors to copyprotect a disc instead of macrovision

just letting you know that info

if the macrovision don't work

[BJ_M]

Ok let me say right out that I do WANT the copy protection scheemes to be burnt on the discs i create from this image. The image was made espically for this pourpose. Ripping and Decrypting will null my intent. I'm trying to simply create copy protected discs using the Macrovision APS (Type 1) and CGMS scheemes.

Now, every type of burning software that I've tried does not like this image. And yes, I've tried to virtually mount it using daemon tools and alcohol 120% to no avail. They dont like it either. I get the same type of error msg (basically) on all programs. They dont like the fact that its created with a sector size of 2054 instead of the "norm" 2048. The extra 6 bytes is essential for the copy protection scheemes, so re-creating it at 2048 does no good. And burning it as raw data bombs as well. I've tested this cracker out several times.

Howver, I do believe I found the answer to all this. It seems as tho it wont matter what piece of software I use. Bottom line is that in order to burn these type of copy protections you need more than just a dvd-r drive, you need a dvd authoring drive. To the best of my findings, these drives are all SCSI interface and cost a mint. That is the reason Scenarist will only burn with these type of drives, (SCSI) I believe. Still it would be nice to find a piece of software that will reckognize a 2054 byte/sector disc image. ;)

AS I SAID -- the pioneer 201 works (it IS an authoring drive - i have one) , and i burn with maestro or with prassi onto it image files...
but more often the project is laid to DLT tape(s) , one for each layer.

[FulciLives]

Ok let me say right out that I do WANT the copy protection scheemes to be burnt on the discs i create from this image. The image was made espically for this pourpose. Ripping and Decrypting will null my intent. I'm trying to simply create copy protected discs using the Macrovision APS (Type 1) and CGMS scheemes.

Who cares. People will just RIP and BURN it if they want. Like big deal. Go blow your money on an Authoring type DVD burner.

Now if this is a BIG enough project that it demands being sent out for replication then OK fine whatever put your copy protection on it but it sure seems a waste for you to go through all the trouble and money (if you buy an Authoring type DVD burner) for such SMALL projects.

Like I've said ... anyone can RIP and BURN it. You don't even need anything more fancy than DVD DECRYPTER since this is obviously a single layer disc size project. It doesn't make sense to waste the time and money on copy protection.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[snipah9]

what happen when you try to burn it as a data dvd instead of dvd video?

also a lot of companies inserts marked errors to copyprotect a disc instead of macrovision

just letting you know that info

if the macrovision don't work

Makes no difference. The image is always rejected.

[snipah9]

Who cares. People will just RIP and BURN it if they want. Like big deal. Go blow your money on an Authoring type DVD burner.

Now if this is a BIG enough project that it demands being sent out for replication then OK fine whatever put your copy protection on it but it sure seems a waste for you to go through all the trouble and money (if you buy an Authoring type DVD burner) for such SMALL projects.

Like I've said ... anyone can RIP and BURN it. You don't even need anything more fancy than DVD DECRYPTER since this is obviously a single layer disc size project. It doesn't make sense to waste the time and money on copy protection.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman[/quote]


John, I was sparing you the nitty details of my project, but since your lack of understanding demands it:

1) Macrovision APS WILL stop folks dub'ing the product straight to VHS. Which is the main reason I'm interested in it. Its becoming an epidemic. Every fool knows how to work a VCR.

2) The project(s) I'm involved with are not "small" as you've assumed.

3) Adding CGMS for the few clients who actually have DVD burning equip and the desire to adds another step of prevention (regardless of how small). Of them, I would estimate at least 50% know nothing of ripping. A 50% increase in copy sales would be lovely. Again, something is better than nothing.

4) I never stated I WAS buying an authoring drive. That's why I posted the question in the first place: to inquire from the "experts" on what my options are for my current setup/situation. Just trying to weigh the options here.

Thanks for your help.