problems in backup playback

[jeremypps]

hi, i have a problem while playing backups on my standalone.
burner: sony dru500ax
player: pioneer dv535
steps followed:
- ripping with smartrip
- processing with dvd2one
at this point, if i play the movie on hdd it's ok.
- burning with nero on -r disks (princo and magnex)
i've made this process for about 15-20 of my movies till now, not a single coaster, but when i play the disk on my standalone player, i have some problems.
sometimes (say 20-20 times in the whole movie) there are blocky images (so i miss a subtitle) and/or audio noise; this lasts for less than one second, but it is quite annoying.
do you think the problem can be:
- burner?
- media?
- player compatibility with -r format?
any help or report on similar experience would be apprecieted.
thanks a lot, cheers, jeremy.

[poopyhead]

https://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers.php?DVDname=pioneer+dv535&Search=Search

read through the user comments...

seems the player has one problem or another w/ various media...

i'm very surprised at this because pioneer players are usually very good....

personally, i have a pioneer dv333 and have bought pioneer dv343 (the 333's newer version) for other ppl...and they both work flawlessly. even play problematic DVD-Rs that other DVD players can't touch

[jeremypps]

thanks poopyhead.
in fact reading the review of the player most of the people have absolutely no problem with it.
i'm beginning to be afraid it's burner fault, but i don't know how to be sure ...

[poopyhead]

i'm beginning to be afraid it's burner fault, but i don't know how to be sure ...

1) problems occur w/ your DVD-ROM?

2) problems occur in friend's DVD-ROMs and DVD players?

[jeremypps]

i have to check accurately, i haven't seen a whole movie on the dvd-rom drive or on a friend player, i'll try.
in fact, problems happen always at the same points, not randomly, so it would be easy to test on different players without watching the whole movie.
i asked a friend of mine, which has a backup made by me of "the fifth element": he says it works fine, no problems, apart from a constant noise on audio (sounds strange ...)

[poopyhead]

how fast you burning? try burning at 1X and c if the problem goes away.

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princo's have problems with video burned at the outside edge of the disc. personally, i've had some problems with the last 80 MB..i.e. 4400 MB and above.... if you read more about princo, other ppl have noticed that as well.

personally, my pioneer dv333 can handle the edge quite well....however, if i were to play the video files on the outer edge over and over again (testing purposes), symptoms do occur...blockiness...eventually, leading to complete freezing. other players may be more severe, especially if they're cheap, low-end players.

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if the blockiness is on the inside..usually that means a couple of things.

1) bad burn ... maybe dust on the bottom of the disc before burning...this will prevent the laser from burning that portion of the disc being coverd by the dust. error correction will solve most problems, but it can only handle so much.

2) bad rip....did you look at the vobs before you burned them? maybe there are blocks at the same places. if this is the case, try DVDdecryptor.

3) bad media (in general)....your dvd player could be having a harder time reading the media....might work on another player that's less picky about the media.

[jeremypps]

thanks again poopyhead, you're very kind.
blockiness (but sometimes is not like this, it's just a freezing for a fraction of a second) is also in the inside of the disk, after 5 or 6 minutes of playing.
i've looked at the vobs before burning and everything seemed ok, i hoped it was a ripping problem (my liteon drive doesn't seem to work too well) but i'm afraid it's not.
dust would be a nice matter, but the problem happens more than once every movie, say 20 or 30 times, so ...
i have to try the same disk on another player, because i have problems on the same exact points each time, as in this point there were problems while burning.
i'll try as soon as i can and post results, in the meanwhile any opinion or similar experience would be welcome.
thanks poopyhead and everybody else, cheers, jeremy.
p.s. as usual, please forgive me, here in italy english teachers are not so good, as you can see .....

[jeremypps]

update.
i've tried on another player (this time movie was minority report), everything seemed ok for about 90 minutes, then it began to have problems, say every 4/5 minutes a little noise.
i really need any hint, do you think it's my burner fault?

[poopyhead]

play your DVD on your computer? same problems?

[jeremypps]

hi poopyhead
playing on pc - ok.
i've borrowed my backup copy of "the matrix" to a friend of mine, he wasn't able to finish watching it on his standalone (mustek), when getting closer to the edge it went crazy.
he throw it on dvd-rom and everything was ok.
i'm trying to watch all "harry potter 1", which was recorded on a verbatim disk, till now (70 minutes of movie) not a single problem.
at this point: do you think it's a media problem?
cheers, jeremy.

[poopyhead]

sounds more and more like media issues...or at least dvd player not liking the media...

go here and read all about media: https://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia

cheaper media have more "outer edge" problems where dvd players have a hard time reading files burned on the outer edge, resulting in blocks, stutters, and even freezing.

i've had similar "outter edge" problem with 1x, cheap princos, but my pioneer dv333 handles them pretty well most of the time....

so, it's prolly combination of media and dvd player.

[jeremypps]

hi poopyhead, i have to thank you again, seems here things have changed a bit in the last year, now everybody struggle themselves in issues like "dvd-r vs dvd+r" or "where to find cheapest media", it's getting more difficult to find help on general technical issues.
i agree with you, if movies play fine on pc, then it should mean they are burned fine, so it seems to be an issue of media and player.
i'll try to burn at 1x in the future and see if this could help a bit.
here in italy cheapest media i could find is 25 box of magnex 2x (about 2 $ each) or princo 2x (2.5 $ each), if i buy verbatim or tdk i have to pay 4.5 $ each, quite a lot ...
i wish you well, cheers, jeremy.