PioDATA media - supposedly Pioneer OEM

[tphaggerty]

Several sites (shop4tech & bestsonic for example) are selling PioDATA media as "Pioneer OEM". Anyone have any experience with these?

[thinkmad]

Yes, I posted the same question a few days ago and recieved no replies.

Either nobody has used them (which I think is the case) or there is some conspiracy against you and me.

If they work in PS2 then I'm there new #1 customer. Obviously they'll burn with Pioneer writers.

But there's no way I'm ordering a 50 pack to discover they're crap.

Alex

[thinkmad]

I might also mention that they aren't mentioned anywhere on Pioneer's website.

[altdel]

I did a "whois" lookup on the domain name "piodata.com". Guess what? It was recently (June 13, 2003) registered to the same owner of the domain "bestsonic.com".

Anybody has the media code for this media? My guess is that "Piodata" is just a brand name created by the bestsonic.com. In all likelihood, it has nothing to do with Pioneer at all.

BTW, DupEZ.com was registerd by the owner of Rima.com (who carries the DupEZ brand), which also registered ACCAproducts.com. Similarly, Shop4tech.com (which carried media made by Leda) was registered by the owner of Leda Distribution Corp.

[tphaggerty]

I did a "whois" lookup on the domain name "piodata.com". Guess what? It was recently (June 13, 2003) registered to the same owner of the domain "bestsonic.com".

Anybody has the media code for this media? My guess is that "Piodata" is just a brand name created by the bestsonic.com. In all likelihood, it has nothing to do with Pioneer at all.

Is Bestsonic sourcing these to the other sites that now carry them? They show up at shop4tech and at least 2 other web sites, ALL of them are pretty bold about saying they are Pioneer OEM disks.

[txpharoah]

Pioneer media codes are "PVC", not "PIO", and they have left the media business. Whatever you have is being misrepresented.

[defense]

ANYONE have any clue why Pioneer wouldn't sue the sites owner's? I mean, saying disks are OEM PIONEER when they are not seems like a big law suit waiting to happen. However, noone has said whether these disks are really Pioneer or not....noone said the manufacturer id was "piodata"....just that the name of the disk is Piodata....i'd like to see a post of the actual manufacturer id's of these disks.

[thinkmad]

I emailed shop4tech.com on Friday asking if they worked in PS2. I didn't think to ask if they were lying on their website about them being Pioneer OEM. In any case, they haven't responded.

- Baffled

[altdel]

Hm... If you go to bestsonic.com's website, it actually says these Piodata discs are "made by Pioneer OEM Manufacturer". Now, that's different from saying that these are "OEM'ed Pioneer discs" or "made by Pioneer OEM manufacturer for sale as Pioneer discs". Maybe it is intended to be interpreted as "made by a Manufacturer who also OEM Pioneer's discs, once upon a time, but these are just sold as plain Piodata disc"

Lawsuits be gone...

[txpharoah]

Hm... If you go to bestsonic.com's website, it actually says these Piodata discs are "made by Pioneer OEM Manufacturer". Now, that's different from saying that these are "OEM'ed Pioneer discs" or "made by Pioneer OEM manufacturer for sale as Pioneer discs". Maybe it is intended to be interpreted as "made by a Manufacturer who also OEM Pioneer's discs, once upon a time, but these are just sold as plain Piodata disc" Lawsuits be gone...

Nice theory, but incorrect. Pioneer had no OEM. They made their own discs, PVC media.

[altdel]

It's getting pretty interesting now. Esbuy.com describes these as "Designed by Pioneer for Pioneer" and "Pioneer OEM" on their website. I'd be really interesting to see what the media code is for this media.

[txpharoah]

It's getting pretty interesting now. Esbuy.com describes these as "Designed by Pioneer for Pioneer" and "Pioneer OEM" on their website. I'd be really interesting to see what the media code is for this media.

That explains quite a bit. Esbuy lies. They advertise false items and items that they do not have. I had bad experiences with them in 2002. Nice fiasco, but I won.

[shop4tech]

for all dvdr media users, this is the marketing from shop4tech.com, in regarding of your concern of whether or not this piodata media is indeed made by pioneer or oem by pioneer, give it a try to see if the quality does meet your expectation and or just simply return product back to us for 100% refund. By the way, we are a multi-million dollars company who would not want to mess around with "unauthorized product" such as "maxell 2x". we are confident on this product and it is our hornor to show you all on the quality of it. There is no risk at all for you to give it a try. we are 100 % stand by on this product and our "live representative will be there to assist you for any type of concern or question"

[rhegedus]

Instead of loads of people 'giving it a try', wouldn't it be simpler just to clarify whether or not these are Pioneer products?

[txpharoah]

Instead of loads of people 'giving it a try', wouldn't it be simpler just to clarify whether or not these are Pioneer products?

I absolutely agree.

[defense]

for all dvdr media users, this is the marketing from shop4tech.com, in regarding of your concern of whether or not this piodata media is indeed made by pioneer or oem by pioneer, give it a try to see if the quality does meet your expectation and or just simply return product back to us for 100% refund. By the way, we are a multi-million dollars company who would not want to mess around with "unauthorized product" such as "maxell 2x". we are confident on this product and it is our hornor to show you all on the quality of it. There is no risk at all for you to give it a try. we are 100 % stand by on this product and our "live representative will be there to assist you for any type of concern or question"

I'm just curious as to why you didn't answer the question at hand which is whether or not this is, infact, Pioneer OEM media? Some posters have vigorously shot down that this is Pioneer media and i'd like a factual statement to be made whether it is or isn't. Saying that you are legit and referring to Maxell 2x disks is doing a good job of making an inference...but are these legitimate Pioneer disks?

Oh, and people can use them and have great success, but they can do the same with..oh...about 10 other brands of media I can think of off hand...and at about $1.00 or so cheaper.

[txpharoah]

TO ALL POSTERS: Also look at the "source" of your information. Read my response here: https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=165382

Also, as a person working in this field, a "marketing" (not the right term, but whatever) person concerned about company image would NEVER write in such as sloppy manner as was done in the post above.

These are likely fakes, just like Maxell and TDK from the past.

The PVC plant converted to other products last year. Call PIONEER if you don't believe me. Heck give PIONEER a call and ask about media in general. They will talk to you. When I get a few minutes next week, I'll be doing the same, to get a firm verification.

The only remaining PVC discs are backstock that you can find at a few stores.

[i-on-s]

I just ordered a 25 pack of these i will post the disc info when they get here hopefully they aren't crap but if so i will just use them for back ups.

[disturbed1]

I'm interested in seeing who the maker is too.

CMC is known to "OEM" Pioneer CDR media, hope they aren't making this crap too.

Could be Prodisc, Prodisc and Pioneer had done some talking in the past, but nothing ever came about.

As far as being an OEM maker, it doesn't mean anything, it's just a marketing hype to garner sales. Every company uses OEM's, even Dell, HP. They are all OEM'd out to someone else than branded with their own sticker. Maxell is the OEM for Apple.

I really hope this marketing trend doesn't continue. It can be missleading.

Lead Data is an OEM for Sony. But are marketed as Accu and DupEz.

Ritek and CMC are also OEM's for Verbatim.

CMC OEM's for many companies, including Memerox, Imation, Samsung, and quite a few others.

Tx is right, Pioneer no longer makes media. If these were OEM'd "FOR" Pioneer they would be branded Pioneer.

Note the description for the PioData, "Pioneer OEM Manufacture", this doesn't indicate anything about Pioneer, other than the fact that this maker manufactures something for Pioneer. Hardware?, Media?

Shop4Tech is OK in my book. I've used in the past, and I'll use them in future. Just wish they would let us know who makes the media.

[LanEvo7]

I'd think it would be easier on everybody if shop4tech would just list the media code of these discs. If they want to lie and post up a fake media code it'll just drive away business. Good news, you tell to a couple people, bad news you tell everybody.

[defense]

@Disturbed, first, I want to say that you do pose an excellent point.

Supermediastore does say PIODATA is an OEM for PIONEER, but that could be very misleading. If so, that makes "SMS" look dishonorable and shady. But it would be put in a way where it were legal and allow people to have a misconception of these disks being a PIONEER OEM.

Now, as far as the "OEM's" go..you are correct...many people seem to think that SONY OEM disks are manufactured by SONY...some people are aware they aren't...others don't have a clue...but I still believe there is MUCH we don't know about these huge media companies.

Lead Data is an OEM for Sony. But are marketed as Accu and DupEz.

And this is definitely a good point, however, there is still something missing. There is no question that those ACCU LD's are good disks, but the SONY OEM's are GREAT DISKS! I mean, 100 out of 100 for the SONY OEM's..i've posted as well as MANY others about issues occasionally with the LD ACCU media. It seems as though THE LD ACCU media has gotten much better in recent months, however, it still makes me wonder why the SONY ACCU disks work flawlessly. It must have something to do with the Quality Control being more stringent for those SONY OEM's... because SONY isn't gonna have their name etched into disks which are crap. I honestly believe that and the proof was with my results. As I said many times, I had several LD ACCU's have that freezing towards the end...burning the same movie and the same result..bad disks....but then I throw ONE SONY ACCU in the burner..changing nothing..still burning at 2x and Bammm..zero issues.

The same was true for every other movie I encountered an issue with using the ACCU LD's...anyway, I don't wanna vear off the point, but it's true OEM doesn't mean a whole lot..except for the fact that I can't see a Huge company such as Pioneer etching their name or putting their name on the line for some crap media.

Although, when you look at Verbatim..I guess that theory gets shot down quickly, huh? They are just out to make a buck and could care less...pretty damn sad.....I guess it comes down to the most reputable companies....is Pioneer one of those reputable companies? Interesting to see what the media id of the disks are....can't wait to see when Fluffy reports it.

My guess is Princo...lol.....or Prodisk.....boy, could you imagine at over $2 a pop to get princo disks...lol...ouch!

[Faustus]

Sadly seeing the media code does not take care of the arguement. It could be a stolen code. When you consider that Pioneer stopped making media, maybe someone decided to snatch their code. So it could still be princo with a Pioneer media code. After beeing burned by the True Maxell 2x, I'm staying away from this one. I've found enough media on the low end that works well to waste my time on such an unknown.

[disturbed1]

Pioneer's name is clearly not on this disc.

Means it's not an authorized Pioneer media.

Legally, they can put Pioneer OEM maker on it if, that media maker has ever made anything for Pioneer. Doesn't matter if it was plastics for drive trays (most media companies are also into plastics), or nuts and bolts. They manufactored something for Pioneer.

The lame uneducated consumer (which what many businesses think we are) will see "Pioneer" and jump on the deal.

Something else to consider is that all of these media vendors buy in huge bulk from marketing reps. The marketing rep tells the buyer about the media, and the buyer usually believes the marketing rep.

This was the case with the OEM Maxell. They were sold to the vendors as OEM Maxell. The vendors did nothing but sell us the product they were sold. They got screwed and in turn screwed us.

Very few employees in these media businesses have a clue about the inner workings of media manufactoring, and assume you and I are just as uneducated.

These are the plants that make DVD-R media that I can think of right now.
Ritek
Optodisc
Gigastorage
Lead Data
Mitsubishi
Maxell
Ritek
Prodisc
CMC
Princo
TDK
Taiyo Yuden
Moser Baer

There are a couple of other small plants (some these may rent space at the above plants, or out source to them to have there media made, an OEM'd OEM )
Samsung (BeAll)
Matsushita (Panasonic)
Nanya
Euro Digital
Vivstar

Ritek, CMC, Prodisc, Princo, and Taiyo Yuden are also the top CD makers.

FYI Leda=Prino.

[LanEvo7]

I understand that seeing the media code does not guarentee anything, but it seems like Shop4tech wouldn't even do that much. They are obviously trying to use Pioneers great reputation to make some money off some noname discs. Mind you that does not mean its bad, it just means its noname.

[omega41]

Piodata media code are Lead Data I posted the info just a few minutes ago in the DVD Media link. They look Identical to my Accu 4x which I believe are lead data also and work just as good as those dvd-r also.

[LanEvo7]

So they are trying to pull some smokes and mirrors. Granted Lead Data discs are pretty good discs, but they are overcharging it. Both Rima and Meritine(and its sister companies) all sell 4x LD discs for a much lower price than Shop4tech.

[defense]

For those who don't wanna go to the DVD MEDIA section, here is OMEGA's dvdinfo results for these "PIONEER OEM" disks.

00 6A 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0D 11 .j...@....R.....
66 78 80 00 03 4C 45 41 44 44 41 00 04 54 41 30 fx...LEADDA..TA0
31 00 00 00 05 A8 82 00 20 00 02 00 06 09 11 11 1....... .......
87 78 90 00 07 A8 82 00 20 00 00 00 08 05 16 0D .x...... .......
10 0A 09 00 09 97 07 0E 0B 58 88 00 0A C0 00 00 .........X......
00 00 10 00 0B 07 1C 13 A8 89 65 00 0C B6 89 88 ..........e.....


Well, I guessed princo, although LD is a better disk then PRINCO, certainly not better enough to warrant the exorbitant price SHOP4TECH is selling these disks at. Wow, talk about shady....that tells me SHOP4TECH is crooked regardless of what anyone else has said. At least some other sites such as meritline, rima, etc..will sell the LD disks under ACCU and DUPEZ and do it for a quarter of the price SHOP4TECH is selling the same disks for...and the other sites don't try to LURE people in by flagrantly LYING about the type of media people are getting.

Interesting marketing....SHOP4TECH knows LD is a reputable disk and figure that people will have good enough results with them that they'll come back to them for the most part..."thinking" they are actually getting Pioneer disks or at the LEAST...disks that Pioneer markets their name on.

Any comments now "SHOP4TECH?"

[defense]

...very interesting..I just checked SHOP4TECH.com and noticed that the price of those PIODATA disks seemed to decresase. Weren't they well over $2 initially? Now all of a sudden they are selling them for about $1.83 a piece.

Talk about a dishonorable and deceptive site SHOP4TECH is...just check out supermediastore.com They sell the same PIODATA disks and NOWHERE do they make a representation of the disks being "PIONEER" OEM or MANUFACTURE PIONEER or anything else! Oh, not to mention that supermediastore sells the disks at $1.55/each which is 30 cents or so cheaper then SHOP4TECH....talk about deceptive business practices shop4tech is implementing...lol....caveat emptor!

[disturbed1]

Lead Data 4x(Accu, DupEz, PioData) 100 pack prices


Super Media Store
$160 +$7.93 s/h = $167.93

Shop4tech
$150 free shipping =$150

Meritline
$119 +$8.22 s/h = $127.22

Rima
$115 +$5.83 s/h = $120.83

Weren't they well over $2 initially? Now all of a sudden they are selling them for about $1.83 a piece.

If they expect to stay competive, they better lower that price again.

[LanEvo7]

It'd be interesting to see what shop4tech has to say about this now. I just want to know exactly what Lead Data manufacture for Pioneer. Of course the marketing department of Shop4Tech will not respond to this questions.