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bayme
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Post Posted: Mar 12, 2008 23:38 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
reez:
First of all, since they're beta-testing all this, clicking the preference does not do much yet. I think they're merely trying to find out how many would actually switch it on. For me it has no effect whatsoever setting it to high quality. Probably location based like you wrote..

Second, I don't think stage6 will return. DivX has simply lost its quality race from mkv/mp4 and x264 (which is a free codec, and ultimately winning each and every video-codec test out there). If you've ever used MeGUI and Yamb, you'll know the power of x264 is unbeatable. Stage6/DivX were slowly realizing that they can't win the battle from an open source codec, so they shut down their biggest loss machine: A cost intensive datatransfer-eating video-website.

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stsin
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Post Posted: Mar 13, 2008 01:08 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
In YT account settings, on the bottom right is "Video Playback Ability"

There are three settings:

* Choose my video quality dynamically based on the current connection speed.
* I have a slow connection. Never play higher-quality video.
* I have a fast connection. Always play higher-quality video when it's available.

btw, it doesn't seem to be working yet wink.gif

edit: Just realized it's basically the same as Reez'. Well, you can get to it from your own account settings.

dtfinch
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Post Posted: Mar 13, 2008 01:46 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
The setting seems to work on videos using the VIP/dcad player or whatever that's called.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=F9uMRBfii60
http://youtube.com/watch?v=naBPlx2rLCo

Since creating a new Firefox profile a couple weeks ago, I've been seeing what everyone else sees, low quality unless I force it with fmt. The above were the first I've seen since that didn't require the hack, just the setting. Videos using the normal player still show up in low quality unless I use fmt=.

Baldrick
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Post Posted: Mar 13, 2008 10:34 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
Please watch the language and behave! I removed some off topic posts.

wonderpierrot
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Post Posted: Mar 13, 2008 15:36 Posts View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
I found a video with a normal player that works with the playback settings: http://youtube.com/watch?v=66w7a1U1f-M

Another one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=l8nuwLjJQFY

dtfinch
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Post Posted: Mar 13, 2008 15:40 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
Those two work for me too.

-Sandro-
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Post Posted: Mar 13, 2008 19:31 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
It works but for example the first video has 3 formats, the low one (320x240) , the higher quality one (that plays automatically with the playback settings and I guess with &fmt=6) and the last one (adding &fmt=18 ) which is stereo. The strange thing is that the last one is not in mp4

How do you think they decide to do the fmt=6?

hotforwords
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Post Posted: Mar 13, 2008 21:22 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
Anybody know the BEST settings to get the best quality playback on this new YouTube HQ deal? My videos are now being converted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3RZfbxNfj4 but I still seem to be having issues with the sound varying in volume in the playback... and the quality of the low res versions looks worse than when I uploaded at 320x240 with no conversion to HQ.

I am on a Mac and currently output my video at 640x480 H.224 2mbs 30fps aac vbr 128 best

Should I up the mbs to 4mbs perhaps? Should I double the bitrate on the audio?

Thanks guys!

Marina

dtfinch
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Post Posted: Mar 13, 2008 21:42 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
I'd double the audio. You'll barely notice the size increase.

reez
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Post Posted: Mar 14, 2008 11:28 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
hotforwords wrote:
Anybody know the BEST settings to get the best quality playback on this new YouTube HQ deal? My videos are now being converted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3RZfbxNfj4 but I still seem to be having issues with the sound varying in volume in the playback... and the quality of the low res versions looks worse than when I uploaded at 320x240 with no conversion to HQ.


OH CRAP if that really is her then we have WAY too many people watching this forum...this sucks, now everyone will know what we know WITHOUT CONTRIBUTING >sad.gif

edong
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Post Posted: Mar 14, 2008 11:51 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
reez wrote:
hotforwords wrote:
Anybody know the BEST settings to get the best quality playback on this new YouTube HQ deal? My videos are now being converted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3RZfbxNfj4 but I still seem to be having issues with the sound varying in volume in the playback... and the quality of the low res versions looks worse than when I uploaded at 320x240 with no conversion to HQ.


OH CRAP if that really is her then we have WAY too many people watching this forum...this sucks, now everyone will know what we know WITHOUT CONTRIBUTING >sad.gif


Better PM with each other so only you guys will know what you're doing. biggrin.gif

hotforwords
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Post Posted: Mar 14, 2008 12:30 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
reez, I'll contribute! I create 3 videos a week, compress them, upload them to YouTube and they are seen over 1 and a half million times each week. So I have plenty I can contribute (I think). What would you like to know? And feel free to ask me anything if I can be of help in any way.

I did give you my settings, though I meant to say h.264. Do you guys find that putting the bit rate as high as possible yields a better final quality on YouTube? Like if I output my vids at 6mbs vs 2mbs, would I notice an increase in final quality?

Also.. if I should not be asking these questions here, I apologize.. I was excited to find a group of people who were knowledgeable about this stuff... but if I should not be here, can you recommend someplace else for me?

Thanks so much!

Marina
www.hotforwords.com

reez
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Post Posted: Mar 14, 2008 14:55 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
and THIS is what i'm talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27mb_AyzGyQ
i bet he doesnt even have an account here -__-
I'm not the one who figured it out, YOU guys are. Now I know the purpose of this forum is to get the knowledge out, but it kinda sucks that he gets credit. I hope he has an account here that's all..AND that he doesn't do this "Youtube hacker know it all" thing again :p

hotforwords
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Post Posted: Mar 14, 2008 15:05 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
reez wrote:
and THIS is what i'm talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27mb_AyzGyQ
i bet he doesnt even have an account here -__-
I'm not the one who figured it out, YOU guys are. Now I know the purpose of this forum is to get the knowledge out, but it kinda sucks that he gets credit. I hope he has an account here that's all..AND that he doesn't do this "Youtube hacker know it all" thing again :p
reez.. Wired posted an article yesterday about this here: http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Watch_Higher_Quality_YouTube_Videos and maybe they got it from you guys.

And YouTube posted the information about the high quality videos today for everyone to see as well: http://www.youtube.com/blog?entry=ponKL3LTyr0 But you are right... I found your information via Google search.... so I guess if you want to create a closed environment and not share your information, then you should only make this forum accessible by members and make sure Google doesn't index it.

reez
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Post Posted: Mar 14, 2008 15:40 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
hotforwords wrote:
reez.. Wired posted an article yesterday about this here: http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Watch_Higher_Quality_YouTube_Videos and maybe they got it from you guys.
And YouTube posted the information about the high quality videos today for everyone to see as well: http://www.youtube.com/blog?entry=ponKL3LTyr0 But you are right... I found your information via Google search.... so I guess if you want to create a closed environment and not share your information, then you should only make this forum accessible by members and make sure Google doesn't index it.


indeed marina...indeed

hotforwords
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Post Posted: Mar 14, 2008 16:25 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
Anyway... back to YouTube.. I noticed that 128k AAC gives me audio that seems to vary in volume when played back via the YouTube HQ setting... I wonder why that is...
Here is the video.. it has a static-y sound and the volume seems to vary quite a bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O8rWViCixQ

reez
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Post Posted: Mar 14, 2008 18:05 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
hey "marina"
do you upload the FLV?..or other formats?

benrtc
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Post Posted: Mar 14, 2008 18:48 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
Quote:
Anyway... back to YouTube.. I noticed that 128k AAC gives me audio that seems to vary in volume when played back via the YouTube HQ setting... I wonder why that is...
Here is the video.. it has a static-y sound and the volume seems to vary quite a bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O8rWViCixQ


The audio is clipping (loudest peaks are being chopped off). The Cory vid is clipped as well. Try backing off the volume in the editor before encoding. If YT is doing level control, then it might be on their end.

wonderpierrot
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Post Posted: Mar 14, 2008 19:08 Posts View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
We're making these streams available on certain videos, based upon the source file uploaded to us,

Anyone find out what this type of source file is? MP4 perhaps?

anyonecancopy
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Post Posted: Mar 14, 2008 19:57 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
wonderpierrot wrote:
We're making these streams available on certain videos, based upon the source file uploaded to us,

Anyone find out what this type of source file is? MP4 perhaps?



I noticed that .wmv files has the "Watch this video in higher quality." button , some mp4's have it too but almost all .wmvs has preference.

Have you all seen youtuber Corey "Mr.safety" from SMPFILMS and CharlesTrippy giving all the Credit of the discovery of the &fmt=18 function to youtuber "iGianMC" ???? He claims to have discovered the function because he is a computer genius ....wait a minute, I got to throw up...cough *Liar* cough .Now, who is this new girl on this board ?listen missy don't be posting links showing off your lack of underwear. This is a respectable forum.

Alexa

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Post Posted: Mar 14, 2008 20:28 Posts View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
lol @ the underwear comment.

Half of my uploaded videos are in .wmv format but apparently the link to watch the vid in higher quality isn't evident. Of course I can always put &fmt=18 or 6 in the address to force the HQ version to show.

Oh and it seems your videos are automatically playing in 6 format by YouTube hotforwords, and not the mp4 h264 18 format.

reez
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Post Posted: Mar 14, 2008 20:28 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
wonderpierrot wrote:
Now, who is this new girl on this board ?listen missy don't be posting links showing off your lack of underwear. This is a respectable forum.

Alexa


HEY.....some people LIKE that....please respect others preferences...please

iGianMC WHO?!

i would like to see his account here...because this IS the place it came from. then google blogoscoped did an article..then every other site did.

anyway, hope that's not true

hotforwords
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Post Posted: Mar 14, 2008 20:38 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
Lack of underwear? Nobody's not wearing underwear!

I only upload in h.264 mp4. If I upload at 640x480 then all my videos get the HQ link on the bottom option. If I upload at 320x240 as the previous 112 videos were done.. then they don't get the HQ option. So I think YouTube is making the HQ determination based on the original size (dimensions) of the uploaded video.

Thanks benrtc about the clipping... I do record my videos pretty close to the red in the volume.. so I'll bring them back as opposed to increasing the bitrate on the audio.

anyonecancopy
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Post Posted: Mar 14, 2008 20:50 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
reez wrote:
wonderpierrot wrote:
Now, who is this new girl on this board ?listen missy don't be posting links showing off your lack of underwear. This is a respectable forum.

Alexa


HEY.....some people LIKE that....please respect others preferences...please

iGianMC WHO?!

i would like to see his account here...because this IS the place it came from. then google blogoscoped did an article..then every other site did.

anyway, hope that's not true


I am Sorry, You are right about Missy.....anyway this is the guy I am talking about:

get ready FOR THIS VIDEO, you will be angry !!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27mb_AyzGyQ

check out the "guy" he and youtuber "Charlestrippy" is thanking for the &fmt=18 function: youtuber " iGianMC "

I am.............. well ,let's say not pleased !

Alexa Anderson

reez
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Post Posted: Mar 14, 2008 21:21 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
anyonecancopy wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27mb_AyzGyQ

check out the "guy" he and youtuber "Charlestrippy" is thanking for the &fmt=18 function: youtuber " iGianMC "

I am.............. well ,let's say not pleased !

Alexa Anderson


LAWL!..you know what's funnier? after watching some of their vids you can tell that they don't usually make vids like this..there have been a SLEW of nifty YT hacks that have been made public(and go straight to top viewed) but THIS is the one they just "HAVE to talk about"

AND something a bit embarrassing for us. Videohelp user dtfinch left a loserish comment on iGianMC's profile saying that he did it..i mean if you're going to do something then do something BIG..not leave a little comment on a page.

BUT ANYWAY! thanks for the info ALEXA you're AWESOME!!!

diddyman4real
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Post Posted: Mar 14, 2008 22:25 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
Denizzje wrote:
Now this is strange, my latest video, an 104 minute 1935 German propaganda movie, doesn't go to HQ anymore if you put &fmt=18 behind its link, but &fmt=6 again. I don't know what codec it is in now. But I see quite some compression artifacts, while the source is very good (DVD -&g