CCE Basic

[pepegot1]

I created an SVCD Template:
I was encoding a SVCD, when half way through, about 3 minutes, the following message appeared: CCE-SVCD_phase2 failed: Could not read pack start code.

When I tried the VCD, the error message came up at the very beginning. It was more nonsense than the SVCD.

This new Basic Encoder does not show too much. I coded in TMPGenc without incident.

Reply from CCE:

Thank you for the information. Your source file is not under
SVCD input condition. It is a bug of CCE that it accepted an
inappropriate source as SVCD with a template. Without a template
you cannot select svcd mode for the source.

We have an utility program that helps you make DVD, SVCD, VCD.
It converts input conditions of your source into proper ones of
your target throuth Avisynth. Please try it.

Hell, who wants double work, when TMPGenc does it in one shot, albeit much more slowly? DV1 & DV2 avi files are not in their formats-that sucks big time!!
It is not user friendly. I will wait for the MainConcept directx 9.0 version instead of this crap.

[ktnwin]

Hi jolo,
I am not trying to convince anyone to switch to the product I am using (neoDVD). I am simply saying CCE is not the king of speed but neoDVD is. That's the only strong point of neoDVD, it's pretty weak in other area.
I have been using TMPGenc for 2 year and loved it, but it's too slow. I envied CCE speed but it was too costly. Now I ran into neoDVD and it can capture and encode to DVD in near "real-time" (as soon as the capture finished, there are a few minutes delay then encoding is completed, MPEG-2 file ready to author) with quality comparable to TMPGEnc.
In term of DVD making, stick with whatever work for you. that's what I learned (and slowly progress to a better process).
I only meant to share information here (and not to get into any argument which does not help at all)

[jolo]

I created an SVCD Template:
This new Basic Encoder does not show too much. I coded in TMPGenc without incident.

Reply from CCE:

Thank you for the information. Your source file is not under
SVCD input condition. It is a bug of CCE that it accepted an
inappropriate source as SVCD with a template. Without a template
you cannot select svcd mode for the source.

We have an utility program that helps you make DVD, SVCD, VCD.
It converts input conditions of your source into proper ones of
your target throuth Avisynth. Please try it.

Hell, who wants double work, when TMPGenc does it in one shot, albeit much more slowly? DV1 & DV2 avi files are not in their formats-that sucks big time!!
It is not user friendly. I will wait for the MainConcept directx 9.0 version instead of this crap.

I am rather shicked that you received anything from CCE, their tech support is non-existant. A CCE user needs to rely on vcdhelp.com. I have found them to be arrogant.
I use Mainconcept with directx 9.0 all of the time, as do the support people of Mainconcept.

TMPGenc is great !! Now if you can make TMPGenc about five times faster with the same quality, then you have something. The speed is the only issue, and for me it is a big issue.

Jon

[jolo]

By the by..tried to download the MC encoder demo..script error during install (sigh). At least someone has already answered. CCE is still faster, which is what I pretty much expected. I don't understand why they didn't leave in the CQ mode though (what modes are still available?). They've crippled some of the oddest things in the basic version.

Thanks Senor Rumpy and please try the MC download again !! This forum is not complete until we get your official review. Actrually, since they do offer the full functionality of the software (but with a watermark), you might like it, hate it, but you will have a opinion. Put TPMG, CCE and MC together and you will have the perfect encoder !!

jarroyo,
Thanks so much for sharing your code. I have to admit that I work and IT and have programmed professionally for years, but due to neurological dificiencies, I cannot learn from only documentation. I need to see samples, then I can play with them and learn. When I look for tech manuals, I always look for a lot of examples, can't learn without that and
then I can play.

It certainly seems that no matter what encoder you use, knowledge of scripting will be extremely helpful.

Also, do any of you use fitcd to make code for you ?

I do not have a DVD burner, only do SVCD and VCD, I'm waiting for the next generation and especially for the lite-on DVD writer, which I hope will smash the price barrier.

Jon

[DJRumpy]

Hmm.. Same Error. "1607: Unable to install InstallShield Scripting Runtime". I don't think the download is corrupt. I'll have to try it on another PC when I get home. I didn't try it this weekend. I spent all Saturday with hangover helper, and family on Sundy (try that toxic combination...).

jarroyo, I certainly hope you don't use ALL of those filters

Seriously, I rarely do more than a resize, and on the rare occasion, a temporal smoother, or IVTC. The Temporal smoother is the worst for a performance hit, but I can still get well over 1X encode speeds on SVCD and lower resolutions.

jolo, here's my typical script (say from a television capture). The TRIM statements are to remove commercials. The CROP is to take off letterboxing (assuming I captured a widescreen version at 720x480). The IVTC is done via DGrafts IVTC filter ( shelob.mordor.net/dgraft ):

LoadPlugin("mpeg2dec.dll") #I use the TemporalSmoother from this DLL
LoadPlugin("decomblegacy.dll") # My IVTC filter DLL ala DGraft
input=AVISource("e:\capture\capture.avi") # Source..creative name no?
clip1=Trim(input,0,15223) # Commercials, commercials, commercials
clip2=Trim(input,16427,32117)
clip3=Trim(input,34218,50288)
clip4=Trim(input,52155,67290)
clip5=Trim(input,68998,81928)
clip1++clip2++clip3++clip4++clip5 # Humpty eat your heart out...
Crop(8,50,704,380) # Removing odd letterboxing from widescreen ver.
Telecide(guide=1) #Applying my IVTC filter to convert back to 23.976
Decimate(cycle=5) #Applying my IVTC filter to convert back to 23.976
TemporalSmoother(2,3) #and they said it never snowed in Texas...
BicubicResize(720,480) #Resizing this 1.85:1 to 16:9 widescreen

[jarroyo]

DJRumpy,

LOL, no way. Like I said, I have almost stopped using it. I was just posting my script which I comment and uncomment depending on the situation. I just uncommented all so the readers could identify the call. I actually left out the cropping and the brightness since I use a different shell for that.

[DJRumpy]

Was there a contrast filter burried in there somewhere? I need to check one out for my tv captures. Even my digital cable captures have noise. I'm assuming it's introduced during the capture itself. I suspect I may be able to remove some of it with a decent contrast filter, above and beyond the noise removed by the temporal smoother. It's hard to tell though, as they always look fine on the PC (even with a 21" monitor), but a bit more obvious on an 57" Widescreen HDTV.

[jarroyo]

There are a couple. Try Levels or Tweak. I think these two are built in. See http://www.avisynth.org/index.php?page=FiltersByCategory

[DJRumpy]

As simple as that. I should have glanced through the manual, since I'm spouting that suggestion all the time

The LEVELS command looks a bit daunting, but shouldn't prove to difficult if I go by the VirtualDub default's.

the TWEAK command looks much more promising, as the command options are pretty clear. I'll give that one a try.