DVD2SVCD cd size?

[mb571]

Under the bitrate tab in DVD2SVCD there is three choices for cd size.
740 800 900.

Do I choose 800 for a SVCD image for a 700 mb disc ?

M

[mats.hogberg]

Yes, or rather 795 MB to be on the safe side.

/Mats

[macleod]

Use the 800mb CD for your 700mb CD. If you have a dvd burner, what I do is change the number of CD's to 1 and change all of the CD sizes to 2200 (so I can fit to movies onto a 4.3g DVD-R)

DVD2SVCD is a great application for one clicking DVD - CVD. If you are doing this so that you can later easily move them over to DVD-R (or DVD+R), make sure that you dont downsample to audio from 48mhz to 44.1mhz. Actually, unless your dvd player is crap, you might want to keep it at 48mhz anyway. BE SURE TO CLOSE GOPS!!!!!!! (under the advanced section in DVD2SVCD. If you are making VCD's with dvd2svcd, do not use CCE to do it, use TMPGENC. At least for me, EVERY VCD that I have made using CCE has had audio syncy problems. It isnt a problem anymore as all I do now is DVD-R using DVD2SVCD, but figured I give you some advice.

Have fun!!!

[ima2hd]

macleod: I have a question. I assume you burn these SVCD's on a DVD in DVD mode. Or do you burn it as a SVCD. I use the header trick, but if i burn it as a DVD then would the header trick work? Thanks, WILL

[macleod]

Actually, if you are using DVD2SVCD, you are making a CVD (352x480) instead of a SVCD(480x480). The CVD is considered noncompliant as I have mine at 48mhz audio.

Here is the down and dirty process that I do. I use DVD2SVCD, change all the CD's to 1 and make the size of the "CD" 2200 (I can fit 2 movies on 1 dvd-r) Make sure close all GOP's is selected and use CCE 2.50 for a 2 pass. After I get the finally get the resulting mpeg for the movie, I take it (and another one) and load it into movie factory 2. I dress up the menu a little (have the screen start at the name of the movie) and then just burn both onto dvd-r.

Since the CVD resolution is DVD compliant, all I have to do is drag and drop it into MF2 and I am off an running.


On burning true SVCD's (480x480), there is an application that just came out on this site that does all the fooling for you so that it can then be dumped into an authoring program. I have never used it as I have burned all my old stuff on CVD.

Let me know if that answers your question.

[ima2hd]

macleod: Well I have made a CVD once before that I put on a 2 CDR's, However it only played on the left side of my TV. but I'll have to try it again..I don't think my DVD player liked the (352x480) size. I am new to the whole DVD making process I just bought the Sony DRU 500ax about a month ago and I have made a few DVD's successfully, but I have only bought my discs locally & they have been expensive. And I have not gotten a chance to purchase any discs online. I'd like to buy some cheap discs mail order, but not sure which ones to go with. That said I have made hundreds of svcd's with dvd2svcd, so i am pretty familiar with the program and the various settings etc on it. I am very happy with svcd quality and would love to take advantage of the DVD's capacity to put two or more svcd movies on it. After reading your email I understand everything here pretty clearly except I don't know what MF2 is? Maybe you could kindly elaborate on MF2. Also I use Nero to burn my DVD's & SVCD's and I have been making VIDEO_TS & AUDIO_TS files when I burn a DVD. But how do I do this with MF2/CVD? Thanks in Advance for any help, WILL

[gmatov]

ima2hd,
I'll hazard a guess that it's Movie Factory 2, from Ulead. Have it, haven't used it.
That out of the way, I need some help with DVD2SVCD. I've tried it a number of times and rarely could get the GO button to go active. I acheived it a few days ago, to convert a 3 hour movie, ( Merlin ), and after about 18 hours, some of it probably lost while it waited for me to click OK on some dumb ? or other, I got about 17 gig of files, of all kinds, none of which I could burn to a SVCD. I have a screen shot of the files, 65K gif, too big to upload. Are you willing to take it as an e-mail attachment and tell me what the heck I did/am doing wrong? Obviously, it's something. Every one seems to think it's about as good as you can get for this type output. I've been using DVDx 2.2 because it's the only thing I can consistently get results with. I AM very happy with its results, but am frustrated that I can't get DVD2SVCD to work right. But then, it's not the only one that doesn't, for me.
Thanks,
George

[ima2hd]

macleod:

Well I got Ulead Movie Factory 2 & I made CVD & adjusted all of the settings on DVD2svcd according to your email. I originally tried using MYDVD, however it got so far then it said something about the GOP.. Of course I closed all GOP's as you had said on CCE. Now a couple of questions here.. 1st. I assume I should un check the box that sais "Warn if the total bitrate is too high" under the bitrate tab since my bitrates will now be typically above 2756kb/sec with cd size set at 2200? Also since all of the svcd's I was making I ran through TMPGENC for the header trick I never had let dvd2svcd make images. I just used the MUXED FILES. Should I be making images to use to drop into Ulead. I took my muxed file and ran it through Ulead and everything seemed to go fine, however I could not find the MF2 you were talking about. Well it burnt the disc and everything seemed to go fine, but in the end it simply would not play back. If you could help me out here I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks very Much, Will

[ima2hd]

George: I'll try to help you if I can. First off did you install the ASPI drivers from the dvd2svcd website. Install the aspi drivers if you have not already done so..... also install the aspi installation checker to see if it has been installed, but b4 you check to see if it is installed make sure and re- boot your pc. You also might want to delete the movie folder. I do this everytime I make a svcd. Of course when you make a new svcd creation you will have a new movie folder, but what you have made probably is not going to work so I'd start fresh. You are right about MF2 I am a bit dense on abbreviations sometimes.."Thanks!" Although I have not heard back from Macleod. As far as DVDx. I certainly don't like that program since it would put a dvd on two discs since most dvd's are dvd9. Why not rip the dvd yourself an use something like dvd2one or dvdshrink or something like that. You can get ride of alot of menu's but keep what you want. Say audio commentary or whatever. You can choose what you want to keep and keep it on a dvd5. Unfortunately my connection speed is only 26.4, so I would not want to recieve a big email file. let me know if I can help further tho....Will

[ima2hd]

macleod:
Success! Well with a bit of trial and error I made a cvd ...quality was excellent using 2 pass vbr. One question how is the burner with Ulead? I used it and used Nero after authoring my muxed file, both seemed to work well.

Thanks for the help now if i could only get ac3 on here..Will

[Colt45]

Actually, if you are using DVD2SVCD, you are making a CVD (352x480) instead of a SVCD(480x480).

DVD2SVCD does make 480x480 SVCDs

[ima2hd]

Colt45:

You can resize to whatever size you want. CVD, SVCD, DVD & VCD. with dvd2svcd. In fact thats always been a feature of dvd2svcd. And i have been using the program for a long time. Will

[Colt45]

Colt45:

You can resize to whatever size you want. CVD, SVCD, DVD & VCD. with dvd2svcd. In fact thats always been a feature of dvd2svcd. And i have been using the program for a long time. Will

Yes, you're right ima2hd, and I mistakenly took macleods comment about the resolution out of context. When read more closely, I now see he was referring to his method of converting to DVD, not making a blanket statement that DVD2SVCD didn't produce 480x480 SVCD output. My mistake.

[ima2hd]

Colt 45:

I have a question for you maybe you can help me out. If I follow macleod's procedure & I have with good results..But
What should I change my Max & Max average bitrates to. If I leave It set at Max 2530 & Max average 2230 then I feel like I am wasting Bits. For example If I have a 95 min. movie my max bitrate is 3730. So should I change the Max according to how long my movie is & If so what would I change my Max average to.
Thanks In Advance, Will Forster

[macleod]

for for not relplying any sooner than this. I have been "forced" to do some training at the office (the person that we paid to do it fell on his face and I have to take over).

Anyway, on the dvd2svcd, I was actually referring to my way of doing it versus it "only" does CVD. With the knowledge of dvd structures, it just make sense to do CVD's instead of VCD's or SVCD's to put them onto dvd-R. That and I think that CVD is the best way to go.

The reason I use MF2 (movie factory 2) is that it is an easy to use authorer/burner. I can take 2 CVD's and dump them into MF2, make a quick menu and I have 2 movies on one DVD-R. I set the CD size on DVD2SVCD to 2200 so that the resulting CVD will max out at 2200 and I can put 2 on a essentially 4.4 DVD-R. I cant really squeeze 3 movies onto 1 as the bit rate would be too low.

Whoops, another emergency, I'll try to write more tonight (maybe include screen shots of my set up.

[ima2hd]

Macleod:
Thanks for writing back. I have already created a CVD/DVD using your procedure with MF2 & it works great! But what should I change my Max & Max average bitrates to. If I leave It set at Max 2530 & Max average 2230 then I feel like I am wasting Bits. For example If I have a 95 min. movie my max bitrate is 3730. So should I change the Max according to how long my movie is & If so what would I change my Max average to.
Thanks.
Will

[macleod]

Well, the only way to look at that is that you are going to get 2 movies onto a DVD-R (2200 each). Does it really matter if you waste bits since you aren't worried about filling up CD's? On the max settings though, I really don't know. I have included a snap shot of what my dvd2svcd settings for the bitrate is at and I have been very pleased with the results


***edit****
Well, I have tried to upload the picture with my settings, butit isnt working. You can view my settings on my web page at www.dewayneward.0catch.com

click on the handsome guys face 8) and then click video converting. Towards the bottom, I have a reference to converting CVD's to DVD-R.

[ima2hd]

macleod: I don't think you understand what I am saying. If I am using cd size 2200 then. My max bitrate is going to be above the 2530 max bitrate set for svcd. For exmaple as i explained If I have a 95 min. movie set at cd size 2200 my max bitrate is 3730. But it's capped at 2530 unless It is manually changed. I want to utilized that 3730 if I leave it set at 2530 then I am wasting bits am I not?

[mb571]

Hey macleod, you have dragged this thread way off the topic that I was inquiring about. I don't know if I should continue asking questions here or try starting a new thread.
Any how, my question is related back to the start of this thread.
When using DVD2SVCD, a friend said he ended up with one cd 57 min and one 16 from a 73 minute movie. I haven't had time to do more testing to give him an answer. If I have my bitrate settings:
0 - 57 min --- 1 cd
57 - 114min --- 2cd's Should DVD2SVCD take a 73 minute movie,
and make 2 cd's 36.5 minutes each?

Mark

[ima2hd]

mb571: Well you can post your questions here. I'm glad Macleod posted his info on here otherwise I may have not come across it. As far as a short movie such as 73 min. not splitting up evenly is ;because your max bitrate that can be used for svcd is at around 2600kb/sec. It's actually capped at 2530 on dvd2svcd which is good to be most compatable. If you are using a short movie. Your bitrate would actually be well above the 2530kb/sec. But since it is capped at this it does not need to utilize the full capacity of the 700mb discs ( 800mb actually since it's in mode 2 ). In this case the 1st disc will always have more on it then the second disc. Will

[macleod]

Hey macleod, you have dragged this thread way off the topic that I was inquiring about.

I thought that your original question:

Under the bitrate tab in DVD2SVCD there is three choices for cd size.
740 800 900.

Do I choose 800 for a SVCD image for a 700 mb disc ?

was answered with two posters,

Yes, or rather 795 MB to be on the safe side.

and

Use the 800mb CD for your 700mb CD.

.

To answer your next question

Any how, my question is related back to the start of this thread.
When using DVD2SVCD, a friend said he ended up with one cd 57 min and one 16 from a 73 minute movie. I haven't had time to do more testing to give him an answer. If I have my bitrate settings:
0 - 57 min --- 1 cd
57 - 114min --- 2cd's Should DVD2SVCD take a 73 minute movie,
and make 2 cd's 36.5 minutes each?

More than likely what he did was a 1 pass on it (if he had everything set up correctly on the bitrate tab). It is hard to determine an exact size with only 1 pass. On your second question about making 2 CD's 35 minutes. No. DVD2SVCD will not do that (unless you make it) . Are you doing at least 2 passes???? If not, you can get those results. DVD2SVCD tries to make it work with 1 CD based on the number of minutes of the movie, but sometimes it cant calculate it that good. There are other things like Q value and stuff like that. Why dont you submit your DVD2SVCD log for review and I can then give you a better answer.

[mb571]

Are you referring to setting the "Rate Control Mode" to 2 pass vbr instead of CBR?

M

[ima2hd]

mb571: If you look under your encoder tab. You will see options for cce or tmpgenc. macleod is talking about how many passes cce is set for. At default on dvd2svcd it's set at 4 passes which does a very good job and will give you a more exact splitting. Even so with a short movie such as the 73 min. you mentioned ....you will have alot more of the movie on the first disc. Because of the 2530 cap it will not need to utilize the full capacity of the two cdr's. However that said it should of split the movie up a bit better then 57min & 16min. Look at the "video encoder mode" under the bitrate tab if you have cce and see how many passes it is set at. But even so if the picture quality was good on the 57 & 16 min split then where is the problem. Was your friend trying to keep it all on one disc? You should be able to easily have 73 min on one disc. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Macleod if you get a chance feel free to reply to my April 13, 03:36 post. Thank You, Will

[macleod]

ina2hd: I'll need to reply later to the bitrate and CD size question. I am at work and I want to make sure I answer the question right. I think that on a 95 minutes movie with the CD size set to 2200 and a max cap of 3750, you wouldn't be waisting bits. I need to pull out the bitrate calculator, which will tell me/you what the number should be. If you want to give it a try on your end, download it from the tools and plug the numbers in (course, I may still not be following you


mb571: I'm not looking at dvd2svcd, but I believe that ima2hd is correct in the location. Please send me the log and I can look at it closer and let you know.