need help with svcd...how long does it normally take you..

[madaznmofo]

i just wanted to know if authoring svcds took longer then vcds and how much

better is the quality, plus how many minutes of svcd can i get on a 80 minute

700mb cd ...Thanks

[puertorican138]

i just wanted to know if authoring svcds took longer then vcds and how much

better is the quality, plus how many minutes of svcd can i get on a 80 minute

700mb cd ...Thanks

You can get about 40-45 minutes of great quality on a SVCD. :P

[dbecker]

depends on your program you use to make the svcd...for a 100 minute movie, it would take tmpgenc around 20 hours to make a high quality svcd. with cce, the same movie would take around 10 hours with quality to be slightly better than tmpgenc.. the way to do svcd is to take a movie up to 120 minutes and split in 2 and run the max vbr you can to fit the movie on 2 disks. once you get past 60 minutes of svcd on 1 cd, the quality goes down quickly...around 40 minutes with get the most quality of standard compliant svcd in vbr..

[madaznmofo]

10 hours on tmpeg ... really that long ... thats over 5 times the normal time it takes me to encode compared to vcd (2 hours) ... wuts the fastest program out there??

[Conquest10]

cce. kinda expensive, though.

[hwoodwar]

Madaznmofo:

"I just wanted to know if authoring svcds took longer then vcds and how much" My own experience using most of the same settings it takes close to the same amount of time. From memory it takes me about 2:35 to encode 45 minutes to SVCD, so for a 90 minute movie it would take about 5 hours 10 minutes. For a single XVCD ("X" to lower bitrate to fit on one CD and also use 2-Pass VBR) it takes about 4 hours 20 minutes...resonably close to 5 hours 10 minutes.

You state "10 hours on tmpeg ... really that long ... thats over 5 times the normal time it takes me to encode compared to vcd (2 hours)" Unless, someone gives you all the details a time it takes someone else to encode may be a worthless comparison. Rarely do two people encode the same way. Dbecker said that that was for a 100 minute movie, you yourself were looking at a 80 minute movie. You are running a 1.533 ghz CPU, Dbecker is running a 1.1 ghz CPU. You don't know wether Dbecker is using any filters, or not, what rate control mode he is using, what motion search precision he is running, etc. Which settings you select for the above mentioned parameters can have a significant impact on how long a file takes to encode.

The best thing you can do is to try it yourself. Unless, someone gives you all the details a time it takes someone else to encode may be a worthless comparison. Rarely do two people encode the same way.

Here is an example of what I am trying to explain from my own system/settings:

1. My normal settings to encode a 45 minute capture to a 352 x 480 resolution XSVCD(MPEG-2): Rate Control Mode; 2-Pass VBR (1000min, 2300avg, 4000max), Motion Search Precision at High Quality. With my hardware this usually takes about 2 hours 25 minutes to encode.

2. If I change this to: Rate Control Mode; Constant Quality(CQ), Motion Search Precision to Motion Estimate Search, or Low Quality than it will take that same system about 1 hour to encode at the same resolution MPEG-2 format.

CCE (Cinema Craft Encoder) does faster encodes (especially on slower systems.) Cinema Craft Encoder Basic (just recently became available) for $58. I'm not sure how fast CCE Basic is in relation to the other more robust versions of CCE. Other versions of CCE start at about $2,000.

[madaznmofo]

ok ... i was wondering about getting the best quality out of tmpeg ... since it

takes u about 2 and a half do u think it will be about the same for me ... i

want to rip a "the two towers" movie that i got from my uncle ... its in dvd

and i dont have a dvd burner

[Conquest10]

is that movie out yet?

[jmebonner]

I can burn an SVCD in the same time that the movie is. i.e. A two hour movie takes me 2 hours, give or take 10 minutes. This is w/ a Pentium 2.4 533FSB and 1 Gig pc2700. You'll get about the same speed w/ 512 MB of RAM. TMPG quality is fine, and one of the easiest I've found to use.

Gumby, Two towers is NOT out yet. Anything anyone has on DVD is an Academy Screener. Which, of course, is not legal.

[dbecker]

the reason vcd is so much quicker is because you are using a set biterate which allows just the 1 pass through encoding at 1150bps. When you go to svcd and use vbr the computer now must use the 1 pass analysing the movie for motion...more the motion the higher the bps. Also, the picture is 2wce as big as vcd. Now if you can afford a 2.5ghz with 533fsb then yes you can do it really fast...if yur like me and live with less 1.2ghz duron, it will take 20 hours if you use the highest quality settings..if you want less quality...set to cbr and motion precision to 'very fast' ..and the movie will be done in half the time with half the quality...use CCE and you will cut the time in half compared to tmpgenc with slightly better quality...but tmpgenc $48 bucks ...CCE $1950....you be the judge.

[jmebonner]

dbecker, how easy is CCE compare to TMPGEnc? Does it allow for batch encoding and sound ripped separately to eliminate tracking problems?
Just interested, thanks!

[tenders]

if your file is of good quality(like a dvd rip) you can get great quality. i have put 3hrs on 2 svcd''s.

if you want to give a try: https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=119210&highlight=


on my slooooooow machine,average 12hrs :P

[madaznmofo]

thanks ... much i think my uncle downloaded it ...its really good quality cuz he got it burned on a dvd r and the disc is pretty full

[dbecker]

CCE itself is very easy to use. But the best way to use CCE when making a copy of a dvd is to use dvd2svcd which is a free frontend program. The newest version works real well for me and it can do all the work for you. It will even split the file for you. The downfall to CCE over tmpgenc is when you have a widescreen movie and want to make it amaphoric or full screen. Tmpgenc has a setting to allow you to do this without stretching the picture(it cuts the sides off)..

[dbecker]

jm. here's a site that shows how to use cce with dvd2svcd http://entiendo.gotnet.net/ and go to dvd2svcd way.. you will find this a great way of making a copy of a movie