TMPGE Can't open both Audio Source and Video Source

[mreed80]

I have been using TMPGE for a long time and it was fine. I deleted MySonic DVD and reinstalled it as it was giving me problems and as soon as I did that, all hell broke loose.
I have reinstalled TMPGE and still no luck.
Depending on the Environmental settings setup, I can get either the Audio or Video Source to load from any mpeg2 I have, but not both. Normally, I would just select the Video source and it would populate the Audio source too.
In the Enviornmental Settings I have
MPEG-2 Video Plug In at level of 4
CYBERLINK MPEG-2 Decoder at 3
All the rest at 0
That will get the Video to load, but no audio, if I flip those level settings, I get the audio to load but no video.

Good lord help me!

[DJRumpy]

Try upping the Directshow instead. It's supposed to use the same interface the media player uses to play so may different formats. You should contact Sonic support. Their products are notorious for bad uninstalls. I was the victim of one myself, and had to manually unregister some controls, delete registry keys, etc. You can also try searching google with your error, or the keywords 'uninstall', and 'MySonic', etc. You get the idea. Search in the GROUPS section, not the standard www.google.com (www.deja.com used to take you there directly).

[mreed80]

Thanks, I have tried moving the levels around on all the options in VFAPI, but that is no good.

I did try to reinstall SonicDVD and still the problem.

I guess my next best option is going to be to uninstall it and TMPGE and try everything from scratch.

I said it before and I will say it again, SonicDVD is garbage.

[DJRumpy]

If your having simular problems, like those that I was having, uninstalling/reinstalling will not work. If you cannot locate the source of the problem, you may have to reinstall windows. Search the google newsgroups (www.deja.com). That's where I had to turn for answers.

[mreed80]

I forgot to mention that no matter what the settings, I can open a VCD file just fine. I'm not sure if that will make any difference, but you never know!

[hustbaer]

@mreed80:

nah, don't make a difference!
mpeg-1 (VCD) is supported via the normal direct-show plugin (or via tmpgenc's own? don't remember but doesn't matter too.).
but.
the normal direct-show plugin will NOT support mpeg-2 stuff, no matter what codecs are installed.

there are 3 different input-plugins that support mpeg-2 via direct-show, one of them is the "cyberlink mpeg-2 decoder".
(the other 2 are for the "ligos" and "sony" filters)

the other filter you listed ("MPEG-2 Video Plug In") is a third-party plugin that only supports mpeg-2 video afaik.!
(and is slow like hell!)
disable that one if you want to get audio support.
or try to load the mpeg-2 file into audio after it has been loaded into video.

bye,
--hustbaer

[mreed80]

hustbaer - thanks for the help. Not to be too much of a pest, but how do you have your setting currently set up. Thanks

[hustbaer]

@mreed80:

currently i have not reached a "static, not changing" setup for tmpgenc.
and since i have not found a suitable mpeg-2 input-plugin (for my needs) i do VOBs with dvd2avi or decode them to huffyuv (using some pre-beta selfmade direct-show tool thing) and go tmpgenc from there.

if you want correct VOB mpeg-2 decoding including audio, you should try dvd2avi.
everything else is somewhat more complicated.
there are however some drawbacks:
1) it's kind-of slow - you can use the "mpeg2dec" input filters for avisynth to speed up the process, but that's a bit complicated and the filter is not very stable too. (and dvd2avi is still faster than the cyberlink-ds-input option)
2) you may get audio-sync problems if there is a break in the video or audio stream.
this does not happen frequently, and can often be "cured" if you move the start-position in dvd2avi to the first scene of the main-movie.

so, if you insist on it i COULD write down my tmpgenc settings, but until you ask again i consider it a waste of your (and my) time.

one other thing on the cyberlink/ligos/sony filters:
i have tried the cyberlink and the ligos filter.
both decode the chroma-channel (=color) of interlaced material incorrect.
this is a bug found in most mpeg-2 decoders!
i don't know if the sony one does it correctly, but i don't know either where to get it.
so stick with dvd2avi if you can.

bye,
--hustbaer

[mreed80]

It just keeps getting weirder!
I did a reinstall of windows and when I brought it back up, I couldn't refresh the screen to higher resolution, but was able to get the file to load, but then downloaded the graphic stuff I needed and installed it and got the resolution I wanted, and the problem returned! What in the world!

Please Help me!

[DJRumpy]

What software/codecs did you install?

[mreed80]

Well after a full night of installing and uninstalling, I finally got it to work!

I reinstalled MySonic and did a clean uninstall. I uninstalled NIMO too and reinstalled an older version and that was what finally seemed to do it.

I will post my settings later for future use of anybody who might want some environmental settings that work.

Thanks for everybodies help.

[DJRumpy]

Many will tell you to avoid Nemo, and just download the individual codecs yourself. It doesn't take too long. They complain of conflict's like your having (although yours is one I haven't heard of before).

[mreed80]

I finally get the stupid TMPGE working, but now I can't open up my MPEG2s in anything!
Windows media player gives me 'error downloading codec'
I tried Zoom, it seems to open it but always crashes right away.
I reinstalled PowerDVD and could open it in that, but then TMPGE wouldn't work again!
No luck in anything, this is pi$$ing me off!

[DJRumpy]

I've heard rumors of problems with the PowerDVD MPEG-2 codec. Take it with a grain of salt, as I never experienced problems. You could always download a demo of WinDVD, which also comes with it's own MPEG-2 codec. See if you have the same problem with it installed, instead of PowerDVD.

[hustbaer]

why would anyone use the cyberlink filters to open mpeg-2 filed with tmpgenc?
i've tried them, they mess up the chroma channel, they are slow, ...
i actually see no point in using them.

you could try and download the lsx-mpeg player - that is, the ligos mpeg-2 filters.
they mess up chroma too, but maybe those work on your machine.

i suggest you just use dvd2avi and you be fine.

bye,
--hustbaer

[mreed80]

Ok, I'm still learning, what is Chroma?

I am going to try to install a bunch of players tonight, but my fear is that TMPGE will bomb out as soon as I install one like it did for PowerDVD

So what advantage does creating it through DVD2AVI help?

[hustbaer]

hi!

install a bunch of players

just don't!
thats exactly what messes up your direct-show registry.
try to install a minimum of filters/players etc.

so. next.
chroma-channel is just another name for the color-channel...
ok, there are 2 color channels, but in this case that does not make a difference.

you can see that many direct-show filters mess up the color-channels when you open some interlaced mpeg-2 file with media-player, pause the playback, and then seek to a frame where those bad "interlace lines" are visible...

so.
dvd2avi is good because:
* it decodes the color as it should, no errors like with most direct-show filters
* access from tmpgenc is way faster than most direct-show filters.
* it has a very high quality audio-resample feature
* you need absolutely NO dvd-player, direct-show filters or stuff to open the VOB file in dvd2avi and frameserve it to tmpgenc.

i'd recommend dvd2avi v1.76, if you want you can also use v1.77 - but v1.77 is not compatible with the "mpeg2dec" filter in avisynth (so if you ever plan to use avisynth&stuff, stick to v1.76)...

bye,
--hustbaer

[mreed80]

When I said Intall a bunch of players, I didn't mean just leave them all on there, but rather see if it works, if not, remove it.

So if I capture a MPEG-2 from my capture card, and run it through DVD2AVI to make the two input files for TMPGE, what would you suggest to use for the 'Environmental Settings'? Obviously not Cyberlink, but anything else? Better yet, what should be placed in the highest priority?

Thanks

[hustbaer]

hm.
i hope dvd2avi works with plain mpeg-2.
well, it should, but ya never know.

the environmental-settings (or short: the input-plugin-priorities) are of no concern if you use dvd2avi.

dvd2avi has it's own "project-file-format", the extension is ".d2v", and it has it's own VFAPI input plugin too.
once you have started dvd2avi for the first time, you get an adittional item in the "environmental-settings/input-plugins", called dvd2avi or similar.
just make sure that one is enabled.
priority does not matter.

then you load the ".d2v" file as video, and the produced ".wav"/".m2a"/".mp2" file as audio.
that should be all.

bye,
--hustbaer