Questions on Warez

[JamesB69]

If I own a VHS tape, would i be able to ask people to send me a LD capture of it or would it be considered warez? I am not trying to break the rules but am not sure about how far they extend.

[Marco33]

You want to go from VHS to Laserdisc?

[JamesB69]

i own the vhs, i want somebody to send me a LD capture of the same movie that i own. Am i allowed to ask for this? Or is this warez

[Marco33]

Ok, you want a VHS capture from your Laserdisc. It's a gray area. Places near me do this so, I would have to say yes, it's ok.

If you want a capture of a Laserdisc but, you don't own it, I'd say No. Even tho you own the VHS version.

You have to own the original from were the copy came from.

[AND1]

Ok, you want a VHS capture from your Laserdisc.

If you want a capture of a Laserdisc but, you don't own it, I'd say No. Even tho you own the VHS version.

Whatare you talking about? The guy wants to take his VHS and trasnfer it to a laserdisc but he doesn't know how that's why he's asking if someone can do it.

[acid512]

To and1

If you are correct (by some kind of mind reading, cause thats not what the post says), why do you fly at someone that got it wrong? you didnt help.

Personally, in my opinion the guy was saying he owned a movie on vhs, but would like someone to send him a copy/capture avi made from a Laser Disk (presumably cause his vhs is lower quality, or he cant get a succesful capture him self).

If the original post meant what I think, then you are unlikely to be critisesed for asking for the LD capture on this forum, but legally you probably should not (as the vhs was prob a different price to the LD, you are requesting a copy of a superiour product you dont own).

You didnt pay for this input - if you dont want it dont read it!!!

[JamesB69]

Personally, in my opinion the guy was saying he owned a movie on vhs, but would like someone to send him a copy/capture avi made from a Laser Disk (presumably cause his vhs is lower quality, or he cant get a succesful capture him self).

If the original post meant what I think, then you are unlikely to be critisesed for asking for the LD capture on this forum, but legally you probably should not (as the vhs was prob a different price to the LD, you are requesting a copy of a superiour product you dont own).

Yes, this is what i was asking. What do other people think.

[pacmania_2001]

Hmm, this is kind of in the grey area of copyright/fair use laws. I think that it would probably be considered illegal as an above poster mentioned but also because even though it could technically be considered a 'back-up' it comes from a different media source (kind of like getting a DVD-R copy of a DVD movie for use as a back-up to say an original VCD movie you own).

[Faustus]

Kinda like say if I OWN the VHS starwars trilogy, but I want someone to send me the DVD Version that was created from a laserdisc copy? Is that what you mean? I think its allowed underfair use as long as no curcumvention methods were used.

[Marco33]

Since George has stated he doesn't even acknowledge the ORIGINAL trilogy. That means to him they doesn't exist. So you can't get in trouble of making illegal copies of something that doesn't exist.

[pacmania_2001]

Since George has stated he doesn't even acknowledge the ORIGINAL trilogy. That means to him they doesn't exist. So you can't get in trouble of making illegal copies of something that doesn't exist.

Hmm, that would make quite an interesting legal arguement in court.

[adam]

I think George's lack of acknowledgement for the original triology is merely semantics. Regardless of whether he includes its original release in his concept of how the story should be told, the copyright for the original triology still exists.

JamesB69, there is no grey area here. What you want to do is clearly illegal. When you purchase a movie you are also purchasing a limited user license. Basically it is a license to view it as many times as you want, subject to certain limitations ie: cannot distribute, etc... Under Fair Use, if in the US, or under your country's respective legislation, you are allowed to make 1 backup copy of any digital media you own but just because you own one particular medium on which a movie has been released, that doesn't entitle you to ownership of all other mediums on which that movie has been released. You cannot claim that you have a right to a backup of a laserdisk of a movie simply because you own that movie on VHS, any more than you can claim that you are entitled to the Special Edition DVD of a movie simply because you have purchased the initial release.

Basically, even though the movie itself has the same copyright, each release (laserdisk, DVD, VHS, etc..) is going to have its own copyright. Purchasing a license for one medium doesn't grant you any access to another.

[menace]

Damn! good answer (even though I liked Marco's interpretation much better )

oh well--you can continue to ask questions about said movie(s) without actually mentioning their names per se and as far as we are concerned you are a perfectly law abiding citizen

[JamesB69]

Thanks for the replies guys. I didnt want to hurt the integrity of the site asking for something if it is illegal.

[ChrisX]

I own a collection of Laserdiscs and I know I can legally backup these myself into VHS for my own use as per "Fair Use".

To get a LD version of a VHS movie, the only way to do this legally is to purchase the LD movie yourself. There isn't any other way, otherwise it is warez.

My Laserdisc collection and the player is getting a bit old and the DVD is gradually replacing them. I have to re-purchase the same movies into DVD, as a result some doubles in the collection. The LD player will be gone sometime in the future.

[Miles]

JamesB69:
Just out of interest, can I ask what VHS tapes you are referring to? My guess is either the Star Wars or Indiana Jones triology.

There is no reason why you can't capture your own tapes to SVCD or .avi for backup purposes, because videotape will, eventually, wear out.

As others have said, you are not legally entitled to own a capture of the laserdisc versions, so you should not go asking for them. If you look, you may be able to find LD captures available, but I can't advocate downloading them as it would be illegal.

I will say this, however:
I own the Star Wars trilogy on VHS tapes (the letterbox widescreen versions with THX sound). I also have an SVCD of Return of the Jedi, which was captured from my tape. When I captured it, I used this highly advanced piece of software (that I have now misplaced, unfortunately) that was able to filter out VHS noise and increase colour saturation, etc. In fact, my SVCD looks almost as good as the LD...

[Cyrl]

What you could do is find a copy of the LD and purchase it... and THEN ask if anyone could do a VHS dub off their LD for you (as long as it's the same version of the LD) and that would be technically legal... I think ... of course this would probably not be believed by most people and you'd be accused of all sorts of nastyness if you asked people to do it here =P

[Miles]

What you could do is find a copy of the LD and purchase it... and THEN ask if anyone could do a VHS dub off their LD for you (as long as it's the same version of the LD) and that would be technically legal... I think ... of course this would probably not be believed by most people and you'd be accused of all sorts of nastyness if you asked people to do it here =P

That's because, tehnically, this would be illegal too. Not for you, because you are entitled to a backup of your own disc, but for the person giving you a copy of theirs. The "user license" expressly forbids distribution to others.

[Gazorgan]

IMHO, having a backup of you property is perfectly legal. The fact that you personally didn't do the backup, or the backup is from a digital instead of analog source; that's the grey fuzzy area. Businesses pay other people to backup their data, but if someone offered to backup your data for you for free, that's fine.

However, don't ask on these forums for a specific backup, that's a no-no.

[drewson99]

The fact that you personally didn't do the backup, or the backup is from a digital instead of analog source; that's the grey fuzzy area.

sorry, but this isn't "grey" or "fuzzy" either if you don't own the LD, which he doesn't.

if a business has somebody back-up their property, they are giving that person the right to do so as implied by their agreement.

if the gentleman who started this discussion has anybody backup anything from a source that does not belong to him (the actual physical LD, not that particular "version" or "release") then it is forbidden.

If he sends his LD to his brother and his brother backs it up for him and sends him the backup and the original, THAT I believe is the only acceptable solution to his problem.

seeing though, that he does not own the LD, he would have to cross that bridge first. I suggest checking eBay, LDs are getting hard to find (except for the big titles) but they are really getting cheap. I recently bought a few for just a couple of bucks.

[ChrisX]

[quote="drewson99"]

LDs are getting hard to find (except for the big titles) but they are really getting cheap. I recently bought a few for just a couple of bucks.

Yes, LDs is very hard to get now and just about impossible for me to find them as new.

[spiderman2k1]

If you own the VHS copy that you bought from the store and you just want a back up from a LASERDISC copy I would say that's fine. Alot of thing are out of print and you can not get them and may never get them on DVD. I have Laserdisc that I know will never come out on DVD. Like some of my old PLAY BOY Laserdisc and some hard to find ANIME and Star Wars well star wars will make it to DVD like in 100 years LOL

[flaninacupboard]

JamesB69,
i don't have a problem with this, especially if you're talking about SW and DVD. given that number 1, you are allowed to watch the trilogy in your own home, your VHS licence has paid for that. number 2, the LD and VHS is the same master, it is the same material. number 3, mr lucas will not be releasing the original, nor the special editions on dvd. he will be releasing super de duper editions on dvd, therefore you're not stealing any trade from them, as they will never make money from original or SE dvd anyway.
the way to get around it is for you to pay me to convert the source for you, and for the licence for the LD's. so i would charge £0.0 for the conversion, and say £30 for the licence. i would no longer be able to watch my discs, but your copy would now be entirely legal.
alternatively i could just post you a damn set, except you're probably in the states.....

[LanEvo7]

Shhhhh... if nobody knows, then nobody cares.

[Marco33]

Enhanced Special Editions... NOT super duper. Get it right.

[flaninacupboard]

menace said it best in another thread,
what we'll see is the "digitally-remastered-director-enhanced-producer-changed-cameraman's-doctor's nieces best friend's-favourite-special-edition"

[Gazorgan]

My original point was he owns the VHS. Now he wants a backup, fine. The grey fuzzy is does he backup the VHS or just 'get a backup'. Now I can tell the difference between an (old) VHS backup and an LD backup. I have lots of backups of my old Vinyl LP's, but I dont' own a record player. It's kind of the same thing.

The key question is: Is there a difference between owning a VHS tape and a DVD Disk? Do you have the intellectual rights to a copy of the movie, or as Hollywood says, you only own some plastic with rights to NOTHING.