135 minute movie - possible to fit on 1cd ?

[logopro]

Hi all,

I'm wondering if there' a way to trick to get a 135 minute movie onto a CDR in VCD format ?

With VCDs does it absolutely go with the "minutes" rated on the actual blank CD, in my case an 80 minute CD ?

Thanks much in advance,

BM.

[Truman]

It isn't possible in VCD format. But you may try XVCD @ 600kbps (video) + 128 kbps (audio). Don't expect an acceptable quality.

[AntnyMD]

The most film I've ever gotten onto a CD was in MPEG-2 format, 352x240 @ 24fps with 3:2 pulldown using variable bitrate min 0 max 1150 and 96kbps mono audio, and it yielded 100 minutes and a handful of seconds, and I had to overburn slightly onto an 80min CD.

[The_Flash]

You can probably use 680 for your bitrate with 128 audio. Keep the size at 352x240 for NTSC. I'd also use VBR if you were insistant on doing this. Try MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 samples to see which looks best for certain scenes, then decide.

[hitechjunkie]

if your standalone player supports it, you could try an XVCD, 29.97fps MPEG-1, CQ_VBR 0-800, audio 44.1khz 64kbps stereo. i've also found that if the movie is letterbox'd, clipping the black borders, and re-encoding the video (*.m1v) two or three times nets a smaller *.m1v file, with minimal loss in video quality (compared to the first CQ_VBR 0-800 MPEG-1, not the VOB of course).

[shochan]

Use the 2pass vbr and set up a xvcd using 352x240 and use the calculator (in the svcd mode) to find your averages, it wont be a svcd because it is not mpeg 2 really. http://www.vcdhelp.com/calc.htm

[logopro]

Hi Guys, !

wow, thanks for all the responses, - stupid me, - I forgot to say that I am using TMPGenc, the latest beta, ( downloaded today ) from their site.

All of your instructions, do they work in TMPGenc ?

I tried to go to the video tab, after choosing VCD - NTSC format, and the video tab can't be modified.

Also - I am guessing that I just have to take a chance and burn the output movie to VCD - but won't say EZCD say that the movie is over 80 mins long and just stop the process ?

thanks again guys.

BM.

[Vejita-sama]

Ok, here's what you do

1) Use a bitrate calculator to determine the video and audio bitrates to use. You can find a nice one under the Tools link to the left (the vcdhelp.com bitrate calculator)
I would use audio=128kbit/s or even 96kbit/s as fitting a 135min onto one CD will take a HUGE quaility hit.

2) Run TMPGenc. Click on load and load the stanadrd VCD template. Then click on load again and load the unlock template (should be in ../templates/extra). The unlock template will unlock all the greyed out portions of TMPGenc that the standard VCD template set.

3) Click on settings, and under encode choose either CBR or 2pass VBR, and enter the video bitrate the calculator gave you. CBR - constant bitrate will look like crap, 2pass VBR will look better but still won't look that good

4) Click on the audio tab, and enter the audio bitrate you used in the calculator.

5) Encode, and burn.

I would strongly suggest that you use 2 80min CDRs thou. Video with bitrates below 900 just look terrible. And 900 only looks good with 3-5pass VBR. Still you can do it, and it's kind of fun to play with these things. Luck.

[vivisimonvi]

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Apex owners may have problems playing streams under 900 kbps. I don't know about other players, but I've tried several discs with a low stream-rate files and they had tons of glitches, sometimes the video or audio won't even play correctly (Mine plays HIGH streamed XVCD MPEGs fine).

[El_Mero_Zooter]

logoP,
i've done several xvcd'z or Lvcd'z (from dvd n vhs)at aroung 120-140 minz each and although they fit on 1 80 min cdr (around 799mb-820mg)with vid bitrate or around 800-825 n audio 96-112; quality really dropped.
Did one the other day in pal 352*288, 137 minz..
So, is it possible, yeah.
But i'd recommend xvcd, mpg2, like say, sefy's template or something along those linez. Unless its a short movie wit good quality.
My apex 1500 can play all xvcdz i throw at it in mpg1 though. Wont do xvcd in mpgz so dat's a real drag..

L8T,
ZtR

[homerpez]

I've done 90 min VCD's, one CD.

I've done 110 min VCD's and SVCD's, one CD.

Even one 120 min, one CD. And THAT was pushing it.

IF it is multipass (3 passes or better) AND letterbox (not full screen), you MIGHT. Don't expect much in darker scenes, whether TMPGEnc or CCE. These are the scenes that most suffer with low bitrates, even if the "main characters" in the movie can be seen clear...

Personally my limit for SVCD and VCD is 110 minutes. Anything more and I put 1 hr per disc. I even ave some "problem movies" where I need to shorten time on disc to improve blockiness...

135 minutes is pushing it (but with a 5-pass VBR encode with CCE... who knows)?

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