Dvd95copy.. Why is nobody using this Gem!!

[neogeosnk]

All i read is instantcopy this.. instantcopy that. Too many damn problems. I've done 15 dvds so far without a hitch! Only takes an hour or so to transcode a whole dvd (including extras). I tried instantcopy.. quality is pretty much the same and does the same as dvd95copy but takes twice as long. No reg code involved or preview window while encoding. So far everything is great!! Try it and see why this program Rocks!!

[NeoGeoSnk]

[vnpn]

Have you try with Episode DVD yet ? such as The Simpsons

[Bulten]

neogeosnk...
do you have a link to this program? sounds interesting cos I've never heard of it, I just hear "instantcopy this and instantcopy that"

[jaxt]

http://www.dvd95copy.com

Yes, it will back up episode discs. It worked on 24 season 1. But I've read somewhere they others have had difficulties with some other episode discs. But, that doesn't always mean it is the fault of the program.

On the plus side also, whoever made this is pretty good at keeping up with the bugs and bug fixes and it's small, similar to dvd2one (less than 350k).

[soundforbjt]

I've tried it and it had a lot of blockiness in the extras. On O' Brother Where Art Thou? one of the extras was cutting in & out and and was out of sync. Alot of people are having problems with this software, you just need to know where to read about them.

[dlb]

I have used this a couple of times and think it is great, the quality is good and easy to use.

Might be nice to see a bit more user preference choice in future releases.

dlb.

[Valnar]

Here is my experience with the 3 major transcoding programs to date.

Instant Copy
Best quality, but slow and a bit buggy. 'Keeps menus though. Use first if it will make it through a DVD because it really does look better. Requires some extra programs, like PDI2ISO and Daemon Tools to extract files before burning. I never burn directly with IC, but with Prassi PrimoDVD.

DVD95Copy
Almost as good quality as IC. Faster than IC. The bitrate is a little screwy (not as bad as DVD2One), but produces acceptable results. I use this if IC fails.

DVD2One
Worst quality of the three. Bitrate viewer shows it all over place. It looks nothing like the original bitrate graph (which may explain occasional shimmering pixels on backgrounds). Fastest application of the three, but doesn't keep menus. I'd consider it the most compatible, but that's because it strips all menus so it doesn't have to think as much.
I personally never use DVD2One. Without quality, nothing else matters.

With the first two programs, I use IfoEdit to strip extras before unleashing the application on the VIDEO_TS folder.

My 2 cents.... No flames please.

-Robert

[boden11]

whats wrong with burning the cd with IC?

[quote="Valnar"]Here is my experience with the 3 major transcoding programs to date.

Instant Copy
Best quality, but slow and a bit buggy. 'Keeps menus though. Use first if it will make it through a DVD because it really does look better. Requires some extra programs, like PDI2ISO and Daemon Tools to extract files before burning. I never burn directly with IC, but with Prassi PrimoDVD.

[Valnar]

Probably nothing, but I want to check my result before I burn it, and have to extract the files to do that.

At that point, with a real VIDEO_TS folder sitting on my hard drive, I can fire up PrimoDVD.

-Robert

[Haku]

Not to sound rude but this is getting silly,i keep seeing these posts .... ' why aint poeple using this that or the other as its the best. '.

Everyone has their own opinion and their own prefference of how they backup stuff.

The fact is their is no best way.

Some poeple like to keep extras so they use dvdxcopy,dvd95copy or IC.Other prefere just to keep the movie.this way if a reencode is needed they can use as much space as possible for a higher bitrate.

Then some who just want the movie but dont wanna use stuff like cce,tmpgenc,ifoedit use dvd2one.

[Valnar]

I disagree. People's preferences are based on comfort, laziness or ignorance. They're subjective. One may like DVD2One or ReMPEG2 (compared to IC or CCE), but they certainly will not be better - just easier to use.

Quality of one product's output is objective, not subjective. It can be measured and there can be a definite "This is better than that" scale.

I won't argue that somebody may prefer DVD2One over something better, but will argue if you think they are all the same.

-Robert

Edit: I re-read my post above after a little time passed. I apologize if it sounds harsh, but I'll leave it as written.

[kv5]

Its the first I've heard of this software (dvd95copy) ........
I've Got DVD2ONE & Instant .......... both Good .

Im About to try 95copy..... will post my finds when finished.

[kv5]

Ok...... Here's what I've found.

Its deffinately quicker Than instant... (1 to 1 Copy With Menus)
Roughly twice as fast.........

Now, I did A Multi episode DVD (Cold Feet - UK Drama) Disc Size 7.8 gig

Which Consists Of 3 x 48 minute episodes + 1 x 18 minute Documentary.

The First Of the episodes was as good as the original...... The rest were NOT! - Infact I would place them somewhere near VCD quality!

So it does appear that the software's probably better at encoding a main Movie in High quality and the extras as a second thought.

I will be trying a movie DVD encode to see if my theory is correct.....

but as things stand at the moment...... Its quick.... But it aint as Good as Instant.....

Paul (UK)

[NYPlayer]

InstantCopy has constant video quality throughout the whole movie. Ddvd95Copy degrades the further you get into the movie.

The quality at the end is not as good as the quality in the beginning. Has the same flaw that DVD2one does.

[KungFuCow]

Ok...... Here's what I've found.

Its deffinately quicker Than instant... (1 to 1 Copy With Menus)
Roughly twice as fast.........

Now, I did A Multi episode DVD (Cold Feet - UK Drama) Disc Size 7.8 gig

Which Consists Of 3 x 48 minute episodes + 1 x 18 minute Documentary.

The First Of the episodes was as good as the original...... The rest were NOT! - Infact I would place them somewhere near VCD quality!

So it does appear that the software's probably better at encoding a main Movie in High quality and the extras as a second thought.

I will be trying a movie DVD encode to see if my theory is correct.....

but as things stand at the moment...... Its quick.... But it aint as Good as Instant.....

Paul (UK)

The reason for this is because it picks one episode as the main movie and transcodes everything else down to minimal quality. The newer version, 1.22 has an option to transcode everything equally. This was done just for episodic DVDs.

[neogeosnk]

Ok.. Get busy at work and 14 replys later. Anyway.. I mainly do movies with menus but don't really care about extras. Extras I watch in one sitting and I'm done with them. Did the "Young Ones" episodes, without a problem... If you get the new version it gives you the option of encoding extras at different bitrates like IC. I have not seen quality dedigration at the end of the movie as some people have said. Have done ken burns jazz 10 dvd set like this which has allot of black & white footage which can pontentially have the "wave" effect like dvd2one, granted it's slightly there but not anywhere near as bad as the previously mentioned program. I did road to perdition and kept the menus & deleted the extras. A+ quality. Tested the quality on my mitsubishi hdtv w/ progressive scan dvd player. Also tested on sony flatscreen 19" monitor using power dvd. And lastly tested on Moded Xbox & Ps2 and a really really old Rca Dvd player that doesn't like anything. The Rca player played flawlessly (you have to use record max for these dinasaurs to work). Everything looked great! So give this program a try.. at the very least give the programmer some props (buy it .. I did) for making such a great proggy. Hope this helps individuals with limited time (4hours encoding!! come on) like my self.

NeogeoSnk- [/img]

[Redbeard]

Valnar,
You mentioned that you "use IfoEdit to strip extras before unleashing the application on the VIDEO_TS folder" when using DVD2One. How do you do this? Or is there a guide I missed? I'm interested in video/audio quality balanced by processing time and DVD2One impresses me. I would like to include menus but I have no experience fiddling with .ifo files. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Valnar]

Valnar,
You mentioned that you "use IfoEdit to strip extras before unleashing the application on the VIDEO_TS folder" when using DVD2One.

Nope, I didn't say quite that.

-Robert

[Redbeard]

You're right, you mentioned the first two programs and those are the ones I'm interested in. I misspoke. Anyway, how do you strip those extras before using DVD95COPY?

[neogeosnk]

The main reason i switched to dvd95copy was to keep the menus. You don't have to strip anything! Just play with it a while... You'll see what I'm talking about.. Actually trying instantCopy again with new reg hacks, still taking too long and it doesnt fit a full dvd-r (3.9 gigs sigh).

[Redbeard]

Sorry, I think I failed to make my question clear. You said you stripped the unwanted extras with Ifoedit before using DVD95Copy (leaving the menus of course, otherwise we may as well use DVD2One! ) That's what I'm trying to do. Get rid off all extras leaving nothing but video and menus. I thought you said you could do this with Ifoedit. Perhaps I was mistaken?

[Bob W]

If it does the same as Instant Copy and at twice the speed then it's a better program IMO. I got the demo so will give it a go tonight.

[Valnar]

Spend some time at the forums of Doom9.org, and you'll learn everything about IfoEdit. This will help you strip extras.

Have fun!

-Robert

[bbeiler]

Valnar said:

I disagree. People's preferences are based on comfort, laziness or ignorance. They're subjective. One may like DVD2One or ReMPEG2 (compared to IC or CCE), but they certainly will not be better - just easier to use.

Quality of one product's output is objective, not subjective. It can be measured and there can be a definite "This is better than that" scale.

I won't argue that somebody may prefer DVD2One over something better, but will argue if you think they are all the same.

This is one of the best comments I have seen regarding summing up the battles of DVD copying programs (backing up ). I prefer to use the word "prioritizing" instead of laziness. I do enjoy doing other things outside of my computer. Although, my wife may disagree. I have been a strong advocate of DVD2ONE, and I still am. I have done side by side comparisons with DVD2ONE vs. CCE and I have preferred DVD2ONE in all 3 of my comparisons. Also, I used CCE for 11 movies before the introduction of DVD2ONE, and even though it is not a fair comparison I feel that DVD2ONE would have done a better job on those movies. I am not extremely happy with them, and I have been happy with the 28 movies I have done with DVD2ONE (watched beginning to end). Now, I have not used ic7 or DVD95copy. So, I can not comment on these. I would like to give them a try.

Valnar you mentioned that the output results are objective not subjective. I am assuming that you are using bitrate viewer, based on an earlier comment. I'm not exactly sure how that works. I downloaded but never saw an interest in using it. Again, maybe I was prioritizing (not lazy :P ). Anyway, could it be possible that not all bits are created equal. Our end products are identical. Whether it be CCE, ic7, DVD2ONE, or DVD95copy. They are all about 4.377. It is how they are allocated is what matters. They way I understand it, is that programs like CCE and TMPG take the video and basically start from scratch. Where DVD2ONE and ic7 take a the movie and alter it just a bit to get it to fit. Remember the source comes from a $40,000 hardware encoder. So, altering the source a little could be better than starting from scratch. I know your comments are not based on CCE vs. DVD2ONE, rather other source altering programs like ic7 and DVD95copy. But what does the bitrate viewer say about CCE material, since the majority of the people on this forum say CCE is by far the best method. (I am not one of them).

My opinion is based on what I see. I have taken great liberty to getting the best picture out of my tv. I bought video essentials dvd, top notch interconnects (medium top :P , top is outragessly priced). Anyway, I value quality. I'm not sure if quality is ever objective. Even the video essentials dvd suggests that if it just doesn't look right, then adjust the color setting on the tv to meet your needs.

By the way, I do want to try ic7 for myself. I just loved that comment. It was well written, and Valnar, you were right to not change anything on the edit. Well, maybe "laziness" to "prioritizing"

[Valnar]

I have a high end system too, with "relatively" expensive interconnects and separates for all A/V components. Yep, all this stuff matters to me too.

And if you're anything like me in that respect, I find it somewhat surprising that you think DVD2One quality is acceptable. Hmm... Perhaps its just a definition difference. One person may accept slightly less quality as a backup, where another wants the backup to be just as good as the original (within the limitations of 4.7GB).

I think you would be pleased with InstantCopy's quality. But remember to compare apples to apples if you ever decide to run it against DVD2One. Menus & extras take space.

Here's another analogy--
Back in the Napster days, if I saw an MP3 shared with a bitrate of 128K and again at 256K, I'd always take the bigger one. For some people, 128K quality would be enough.

I guess everyone doesn't think like me.

-Robert

PS. How is Video Essentials? I use AVIA myself.

[bbeiler]

Valnar: You are correct when you say, "compare apples to apples". If I get my hands on ic7, I would like to try it without any menus. Just the movie.

As far as AVIA vs. video essentials. I have had no experience with AVIA, so I do not have anything to compare it too. Although, I have read it is quite good.

Your analogy of 128k and 256k brings something interesting to mind. (personally, I use 192k mp3). WMA is supposed to sound better than mp3 at equivalent bitrates. I don't think anybody will arque that (although, mp3 is still more widely accepted). Which goes along with my earlier statement that all bits are not created equal.

Just something to think about.

I do want to try ic7 without the menus. I got the guide off the home page and, hopefully, give it a shot. According to the guide (w/o the menus) it is only about 10-20 minutes slower than DVD2ONE. If it yields better results I will go with it. However, time is a factor.

All-in-all, these new programs are awesome. I will never go back to CCE. 12 hours vs. 1 hour (2x burn). There is no comparison. And quality is equal or better with DVD2ONE (in my opinion). Plus, the subtitles were a nightmare.

Plus all this stuff is fun to talk about too! :P

[neogeosnk]

i got 15k of stereo and television equipment.. guess what.. I'm not waiting 8 hours for cce just to get maybe 5% at most better quality!! F that.. I rather do dvd95copy or Ic before that! I know most people didn't pay for it so just buy software you can afford and save time. Or save more time and buy the dvd. But for about $100 bucks (for dvd95,dvd2one and IC).. I get almost exactly the samething as store bought dvds and don't wait over night. That was the crux of this post. The realization that I honestly don't have time to encode something for 6+ hours. I'd rather be having sex w/girlfriend than waiting for pluto nash to finish encoding...

Ok.. Enough rant..

All programs are good at what they do.. So use what is better for you

NeoGeoSnk-