NTSC DVD to PAL backup?

[Indium]

If I backup a region 1 DVD movie (NTSC) to a DVD-R purchased in region 2 will the backup be in the PAL format? Or are the movie files themselves in the format (nothing to do with the disk?), in which case how can they be transformed from NTSC to PAL?

[BodyMaker]

The blanks are not region protected the encrypted films are

You can remove this protection when you rip it to your computer

The are guides on this site for NTSC--->PAL conversions and visa versa

But your stand alone should be able to play either so why bother to convert

[rhegedus]

How can you tell if a 'PAL' standalone can play can play NTSC DVDs - is it anything to do with a region hack? What if a standalone i.e. mine, does not have one?

Regards,

Rob

[P@iNKilleR]

nah the TV has to accept both ntsc/[pal signals the dvdplayer should play these perfect without bother

[SaSi]

Converting a Region 1 DVD into Region 2 is messy to say the least.

For that reason, the first thing I do when I come to such disks is to check if they are single layer. If so, it's simple. Back-it up on disk (with SmartRipper), enabling the Region protection removal. Then burn it on a blank and you will have a no-region DVDr that can play on every DVD player, provided the player can play NTSC.

If the player doesn't play NTSC (I think very very few PAL players won't play NTSC), or if the DVD is dual layer, then you must convert the video content.

The "less-difficult" approach is to forget about menus and the stuff and convert the main movie only.

I rip the video and audio with SmartRipper into separate files, take the video stream through VirtualDUB to convert frame height and then encode with any encoder into MPEG-2.

The only difference for the above process for NTSC is the fact that PAL DVDs have a vertical resolution of 576 while NTSC have 480. To compensate for the difference, all I had to do until now is to remove part of the black letterbox bars from the top and the bottom (with VirtualDUB).

[BodyMaker]

How can you tell if a 'PAL' standalone can play can play NTSC DVDs - is it anything to do with a region hack? What if a standalone i.e. mine, does not have one?

As Sasi says if it plays pal then you can be 99% sure it will play Ntsc

nah the TV has to accept both ntsc/[pal signals the dvdplayer should play these perfect without bother

If you Standalone plays Pal/Ntsc your telly only needs to be pal or Ntsc not both as the player can convert and play to either.

My main sony telly is both, but upstairs i have a small portable that is pal only and it plays Ntsc just fine, You just have to tell the standalone what type of telly you have in the on screen settings

So on my main telly i have set the standalone to Pal/Ntsc and on the small portable i have set the player to pal only

[minchjp]

Most PAL tvs will play NTSC material, because PAL is such a supieriur format.

[rhegedus]

Does this only apply to DVD material? How come I need to frameserve if I've got an NTSC avi (23.97fps) that I want to watch on a PAL standalone as a vcd, svcd or DVD? Otherwise I just ge a juddery/jerky picture.

Thanks for your help,

Rob

[BodyMaker]

23.976fps is not a valid format for dvd players ( or SVCD ) its NTSC film which has to be converted to 29fps in order to work on your stand alone player

If you use tmpgenc and the ntsc film template it will automatically do this for you. its called pulldown or 3:2 telecine

[rhegedus]

OK – things are beginning to take shape. Most, if not all, DVD players can play 25fps or 30fps film and a hack is therefore a mechanism to bypass region protection only. But, where did 23.97fps originate from – was it a recognised format before the advent of DVD? How is it converted to 30fps for play in US DVD players without speeding things up by 25%?

Regards,

Rob

[BodyMaker]

Im not sure where the 23.976 NTSC film came from but its the standard that they use for most Divx files that are NTSC

You have to encode as normal Then when you have your M2V or Mpv file ready, Before you muliplex Audio and Video, You have to use pulldown.exe on your Video file

This does a hard pulldown and changes the file to 29fps, it only takes about 2 mins

If you use Tmpgenc and use the Ntsc film template it does this for you automaticaly, Execpt it doesn't do a hard pulldown, Just pulldown when playback, So it tells the dvd player to convert to 29fps for playback,

Either way its just the same thing really, You need to use pulldown.exe on 23.976 files that you have encoded with CCE.

Theres also a GUI for pulldown called PulldownBatchFE both available from this site i think, As pulldown is a command promt utility

[rhegedus]

OK, thanks for the info. So, I can just rip a region 1 dvd just as I can rip a reg 2 dvd and burn it and still expect it to play in my PAL dvd player?

Rob

p.s. is that a Kevin Bacon avatar?

[BodyMaker]

Yes you can

And no its not, Its Kiefer Sutherland, Son of Donald Sutherland, He was In the lost Boys and was one of the brat pack from the early ninties 8)

[rhegedus]

Ahhhhhhhh yes, I see it now!

Thanks for all the help,

Rob

[flaninacupboard]

thought i'd chip in...
cinema is 24fps, has been for decades, will be for decades. 23.976 exists beause the american power system operates on a cycle of 59.9something hertz, so tv's refresh at 29.97 hertz, and the only way to incorporate 24fps film into this format is to slow it to 23.976fps and telecline it to 29.97fps. that's where 23.976 comes from, so yes, it's been round just a tad longer than DVD