Ulead Moviefactory big problem with authoring and burning

[King-Of-DK]

Can anybody tell me,why i can´t seem to burn 2 mpg2 files on to a DVD-R? every time i load them into Ulead it says the size is 4.1GB for 1 file,when it in fact is only 1.98GB.. I have specifically converted 2 movies with TMPGenc so i could put both on DVD-R and still have q quality that is a little better than SVCD. These are the specs of my files:

MPEG2 704x576,with a VBR of 3500 and 48000hz audio

[King-Of-DK]

I have noticed that if i remove the asterisk in "Do not convert copliant mpg files" the sizes of the files tends to go way down.

How much space do menues and stuff like that need on the DVD??

Is there anyway to just burn the mpg files on a DVD-R so they can be played in my standalone?

[fossil]

use ifoedit it's fairly. but you can only author 1mpg file at once

[jra111]

Where is the asterisk for do not convert compliant mpg files? IM using movie factory 1.

[King-Of-DK]

Ulead Moviefactory 2.0.

How can i make to MPEG2 compliant files on to 1 DVD-R so i can play in standalone? I have read the guide to VCD2DVD and SVCD2DVD but none of these apply to what i am doing..

I tried to burn the files as UDF 1.02 in Nero,but my 2 DVD palyers will not load the files on the DVD-R..They both find that it is a DVD,but it can´t be played,howcome?
With ifoedit,will i be able to burn 2 mpg´s on 1 DVD-R????

[Dragonsf]

ifoedit only loads 1 file at a time.I treid the same (more than 1 mpeg on 1 DVD).Says:feature not implemented yet or so.

[King-Of-DK]

OK,So how do i do it?? 2 MPG2 on 1 DVD-R??

[tomclary]

I have a few suggestions for MovieFactory 2 you can try. The program is not obvious when it will try to render the movie itself.

I am doing this from memory so I may not be perfectly exact in my descriptions. Create a new project. Go into the encoding options menu (Lower right, next to the save menu). Select custom options and select MPEG audio at 384. Set a video bit rate to 9800. It will come back with the max acceptable rate. Make sure to select don't encode compliant movies. The rules with MF2 is that it will encode if you tell it to use a bit rate lower than what the file is encoded at. If it is not MPEG audio, set the rates to the max for LPCM.

Now add your files and hopefully the size is more realistic. The menu's take up an insignificant amount of space.

When you go to create the project, does MovieFactory say it will take a while to render? This means it is going to convert your files. Which you don't want.

Make sure you have a PAL project selected.

Another thought, is that MovieFactory may not accept a resolution of 704. Everything I have done is 720. You might try an experiment and specify a lower bit rate. If MF2 is converting, that will lower the size it displays. My guess is that MF2 is deciding to convert the 704 to 720 and its bit rate is higher than 3500. Thus the space it displays is larger than you think it should be.

[King-Of-DK]

Thanks for the answers.. So from what you are saying,i have to do the settings before i load the moviefile?? Secondly,if i use a bitrate higher than 3500 these 2 files will NOT be able to be on the same disc,i tried to encode both to 4000 but the filesizes where 2,3 pr. file,and that is too high. When i have the files loaded,and i choose the ooption "do not encode compliant files" the sizes go way big,over 8GB for the 2 files in question.. But i will try and reencode both files to 720x480 NTSC (they are 23,976 in framerate) with an audio of 384kb instead of the 224kb i use now.

[thxkid]

1st of all make sure to throw MF1 as far away as you can, very unforgiving program, MF2 a whole lot better program and most likely its the 704 to 720 issue is the point were your size is growing,
example I taking a SVCD 480x480 29.97 frames at 2500CBR 1.5 gig file and putting it into MF2 at the default high setting, its gonna be a 4.3 gig file when finished converting it over, just barely fitting onto the DVD+R.

[King-Of-DK]

What thing is that?? I have MF2 and do you say i should always use the 720x480 intead of 704x480 (NTSC)?? What about PAL??

[tomclary]

What thing is that?? I have MF2 and do you say i should always use the 720x480 intead of 704x480 (NTSC)?? What about PAL??

I believe for PAL the common MPEG setting is 720x576. Though 704 is supported by the DVD Video standard, MF2 may not agree with it. So you don't have to do NTSC. The common MPEG NTSC settings are 720x480, btw.

As far as I can tell, you have to specify the MPEG settings before you load a clip into the time line. You can leave the audio bit rate at 224 if want. MF2 will not re-encode the files if the MF2 MPEG settings are for higher bit rates i.e. would produce bigger files. If the MF2 MPEG settings would produce smaller files, ie lower bit rates, it will encode. Pretty damn confusing if you ask me. If told to leave an MPEG alone, it should. If it is too big, you could then take the option to re-encode it however you like. By trying to be simple, they really have made things more complicated.

[King-Of-DK]

Is there any other way to author and burn the mpg2 files?? I tried to burn as UDF in Nero,but my standalone wouldn´t recognise the files.. I made a dir called VIDEO_TS should i alos have made a dir called AUDIO_TS even though there is no files in it??

[mikerios]

King-Of-DK-

did you just dump the mpeg2 files directly on th dvd-r? as no dvd player will recognized them in that format, they must be authored ( in whatevr program you choose ) so that you have ifo, bup and vob files in the VIDEO_TS folder.

I use MF1 ( patched up ) and DVDWS ( ver 1.3 patched up ) as both work fine ( though DVDWS handles 2 movies better than MF ). I have imported mpeg2 files in 704x480, as well as 352x480 and it will handle the files ( as well as the standard 720x480 ).

All my encoding is done in TMPEGEnc. I now encoded the video seperate and then merge with the ac3 file ( useing the mpeg tools menu in TMPEGEnc) as DVDWS will handle the file ( but will complain about it be none standard mpeg audio ). I have never had MF nor WS re-encode the file as long as I set the make disc to max ( 8000 ) it will mux my files and make my menus but it will not re-render. I have yet to play with MF2 though I suspect it better and less finicky than MF1. I am anxiously awaiting WS2 to see what addd features they added to the program.

[King-Of-DK]

Yes i just dumped the mpg files into the VIDEO_TS dir.. How do i make vob,ifo and all the other files?? What is DVDWS??

[kitty]

King - dumping files in VIDEO_TS will just get you a coaster. You have to author your disc with a program like Ulead MovieFactory, Ulead DVD Workshop (DVDWS) or even ifoedit (freeware).

[King-Of-DK]

Hmmm,what is the guide on burning directly for then?? I followed the guide on these pages about burning directly wiht Nero in UDF mode. Anyhow the reason i started this thread was because i can´t get MF2 to show correct filesizes,and Ifoedit won´t take 2 files,so what am i to do??

[mikerios]

King-

Ifoedit works with files ripped from he DVD ( the ifo, bup and vob ) and not the mpg2 file you render. DVD Authoring programs like Ulead's DVDMF2 & DVDWS ( Ulead's DVD Workshop ) then take the mpeg 2 file and author ( chapter stops menus ect. ) and convert the mpeg into the proper dvd file structure. Nero will accept the VOB IFO and BUP files for a UDF burn ( later version now check to see if you files are complaint as does Stomp's Record Max Now v 4.5 ). Not sure why you are getting wrong file size from MF2, as I patched MF1 to cure alot of the problems ver 1.0 had coming out the gate, DVD Workshop was not that much better, but is far better now that is has had 2 service patches for it ( patching it up to ver 1.3 ). Keep in mind none of the patches work on the Demos of DVD WS or DVD MF. I am sure there are issues with MF2 as well ( check the Ulead forums to see what issue and what is needed to resolve them . )

[King-Of-DK]

Thanks for the answers... I think i figured the filesize thing,i just had to set the bitrate and stuuf BEFORE i loaded my mpeg files.. Is it just me or does the quality of the convertet files SUCK when using MF2?? In the future i am going to use TMPGenc to convert..I have a bit of trouble figuring out how the bitrate should be if i want 2 AVIs on my DVD-R

[mikerios]

King-

yes it does suck, thats why I used TMPEGEnc to encode before I feed to DVDWS.

[blacardi]

Hi,

I have same problem with MF2. Encoded in CCE. I think resolution is defenitely the problem here. So, in the future i'll encode to 720x576 or 720x480. I use CCE, cause it's fast. Use virtualdub for frameserving. Don't know why avisynth crashes on my system. Need to figure out how to resize using the (Smart) resize filter in Vdup (inluding the black borders up & down the movie). Anyone know how? Good example of movie with... lets say 576x326 would be cool.

I also used a 720x480 movie in MF2 with same problem.... i had set the TV system to PAL..... Switching it back to NTSC solved that (did not work for other resolutions!).

I heard about a workaround using DVDPatcher. DVDPatcher rewrites the header with another resolution. DVDPatched movies should be properly handled with MF2 (takes a second to patch). The guide states that some DVD player could have problems playing this DVD. Wonder what number of DVD players won't play it?
If 90% of the DVD-players will play.... than i can live with that!

[energy80s]

DVD standard resolutions are 352, 704 and 720. Why are you trying to put some weird aspected file on a DVDR in the off chance that a player somewhere might play it?

[blacardi]

Movies downloaded from internet thesedays just don't have DVD compiant resolutions.... so i asked a example of how i could best convert one movie with "not DVD compliant resolution" to a mpeg2 format that Ulead Movie Factory 2 can handle properly.

Yesterday i converted a movie with the resolution of 608x336 (23fps) to 720x480. MF2 doubled the size when importing!

Then i converted the framerate to 25 fps.... re-encoded with cce.... Now the size was correct.... but the movie played 4 times the speed it should play. Damn.... tmpgenc takes around 10 hours to do the job cce does in 4 hours, but the result with tmpgenc is that i can use the mpeg2 file in Ulead Movie Factory 2 and DVD Maestro or any other authoring software...

[ChrissyBoy]

Your right about the frame rate: NTSC film 23fps is not DVD complaint.

However you can get two mpgs on to a DVDR using IfoEdit.

http://ifoedit.wh.fr0zen.com/joinclip.html#joindbl

Giving you a DVD with two mpg files on it navigated by next/prev buttons

[blacardi]

I have worked with IfoEdit. It's Great! This is the only program i get cce encoded files to work with!!

Only problem i have with ifoEdit (and i know it's possible, just wasn't able to do it.... yet) is to manually add chapters in IfoEdit.

Had once a m2v file with 138000 frames, so i put up a celltimes.txt file with the following information in it (chapter every 5 minutes=>24x60x5):

7200
14400
21600

etc.

After authoring with ifoedit it resulted in a DVD movie with disabled "next chapter" function. I do was able to FF the movie..... What if i just want to see the end part of the movie.... shit!

Any suggestions for that?

[energy80s]

Movies downloaded from internet these days just don't have DVD compliant resolutions

Ahh, I don't bother with this so wouldn't come across weird DivX encodes!