" About the release of our new product named "CINEMA CRAFT ENCODER Basic" (2003-02-25)
Cinema Craft, Inc. is pleased to announce the general availability of our new product "CINEMA CRAFT(R) ENCODER Basic" from coming March 7th.
It basically takes over CINEMA CRAFT ENCODER Lite, however, is significantly improved on GUI and some video settings including 2-pass CBR/VBR encoding, inverse 3:2 pulldown option, flexible GOP setting and separated audio input, available video and audio ES at once from premiere plug-in and so on. Enjoy tremendous high quality of outputs !
Product name
: CINEMA CRAFT ENCODER Basic
Date on sale
: March 7th in 2003
Available at
: Visible Light
Price
:USD 58.00
* All specifications are subject to change without prior notice.
* Please note that Cinema Craft, Inc. will discontinue providing CCE-Lite.
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Technical Specifications
Video Formats: MPEG-1 System (ISO/IEC 11172)
MPEG-2 Program/Elementary (ISO/IEC 13818)
VCD
SVCD
Encoding Method: 1 & 2 Pass Constant Bit Rate (CBR), 2 Pass Variable Bit Rate (VBR)
Frame Rates: 23.976, 24, 25, 29.97, 30fps
Bitrates 0.5 Mb/s - 3.0 Mb/s (MPEG-1)
0.5 Mb/s - 15.0 Mb/s (MPEG-2)
Aspect Ratio SAR 1:1, DAR 4:3, DAR 16:9, or DAR 2.21:1
Audio Modes: Mono, Stereo, Joint Stereo, Dual Channel
Audio Bitrates: 64 - 384 Kbps
Sampling Frequency: 32, 44.1, 48 KHz
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That will save me time looking for patches. 8)
That is most definately a realistic price.
I did notice it will no longer support multipass vbr above 2 passes (3 physical) from the specs you posted. Has anyone verified?Impossible to see the future is. The Dark Side clouds everything... -
Ok
I don't know about cce lite because of the price($250), but according to the comparison chart it is twice as fast as tmpgenc.
So now that
Tmpgenc is charging for mpeg 2.
It might just be worth the money to pay for cce basic.
Could anyone tell me if this is true?
Thanks in advance
VCD4MEWe were all NEWBIES once and the only stupid question is the one that's not asked? -
When talking in terms of speed, there is no contest. CCE blows away all the competition. When talking in terms of quality, some think CCE is better than TMPGEnc, others think they are equal.
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After starting with TMPGenc, and ending with CCE, I think CCE offers better quality. Especially around fades/scene changes. I don't see the macroblocking that is more common on TMPGenc.
I also get better quality with the one-pass cq mode in CCE, than I do in TMPGenc, and I can re-use the VAF file for multipass if I don't like the size.
Twice as fast as TMPGenc? I would think it somewhere around 5-8 times as fast. I encode in full DVD resolutions at 1.2x the playback speed. The post here said $58.00. Which is it?Impossible to see the future is. The Dark Side clouds everything... -
They are discontinuimg CCE Lite which costs $250. They are offering the CCE Basic instead at $58.
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Hi All!
I currently use MainConcept. Do you think I will get an performance improvement if I change to CCE?
Will CCE Premiere PlugIn work as perfect as MainConcept?
Regards,Jose Febus -
I tried MainConcept. It is a great program with a fast encoding engine, and the quality is good too. It is affordable for home users. Now that CCE has a home version, CCE may be the better choice. It is a little faster than MainConcept and offers better quality. If you like MainConcept I don't think you need to switch though.
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jfebus, if they handle this new lite version like the old, you'll still be able to try before you buy. Just download the demo. It'll probably have a logo on it somewhere, but you should be able to get a feel for the quality and speed.
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Will this new version still require frameserving as a psuedo avi?? Will it support opening vob files directly?
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The old version worked with AVI, MOV, AVS, etc. It doesn't work with MPEG-2 (or MPEG-1) for that matter, unless it was frameserved. Since the current versions don't support MPEG-2 directly (non-served), I wouldn't expect this 'lite' version to either.
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This is what I noticed:
LIMITATIONS: 30-day trial version. Encoding limited to 3 minutes. Embedded logo. Download CCE Basic Test Drive from Visible Light.
Full version goes on sale March 7, 2003 at US$58.00!
INTERESTING FEATURES:
Console Mode: Allows the encoder to be run unattended, such as from a script file.
Rate Control Modes: 1-pass CBR, 2-pass CBR, 2-pass VBR. Blazing speed -- 0.75x real-time per pass (3 minute sample encoded in 4.2 minutes) on 2.2GHz P4 / 512Mb under XP.
VCD and SVCD support: Automatically selects MPEG version, mode and bitrate.
Inverse 3:2 pulldown (IVTC): Yes!
VIDEO SETTINGS:
Equalize GOP bit length: Stabilizes output bitrate by forcing each GOP to contain the same number of encoded bits.
DVD Video multiangle: A shortcut for selecting control settings relevant to multiangle encoding (closed GOPs, no scene detection, bit length equalization).
Offset line: Essentially a field dominance control that allows encoding to start from a particular line number.
Selectable Quantization Matrix: Similar to Panasonic MPEG-1 encoder. Choice of "natural image," "computer graphics" or "animation."
OVERALL IMPRESSION
This is the encoder I've been waiting for. It's affordable, fast and far more feature-rich than I would have anticipated. I paid $70 for my Panasonic MPEG-1 encoder and it amazes me that I'll be getting an even better MPEG-2 encoder for less than that. CCE Basic is really more of a beta-test than a trial demo: it's got a few rough edges, but I'm confident that they'll be sanded smooth by the time the encoder is available for sale.
Sayonara, TMPGenc. For all it's tweakability, TMPGenc doesn't have the polish of a commercial application and if anything it seems to have gotten slower as it's refined itself. On my system, based on what I've seen the trial do, I can encode a two-hour movie in 2-pass VBR in three hours. The only advantage TMPGenc ever really had was it's purchase price, and that just evaporated. -
If the IVTC support is the same as versions 2.66, then it only detects IVTC for encoding purposes (performs IVTC). It still doesn't add pulldown flags to the output MPEG (FILM to NTSC). I can't believe they still haven't included this feature. I hate having to perform the extra step with PULLDOWN.EXE
I agree about TMPGenc. The price is about the same. There is just no comparison between the two.Impossible to see the future is. The Dark Side clouds everything... -
Can you take DV type 2 captured AVI's and convert in CCE? I have had a problem with the previous CCE demo that starts up and says something like a valid codec was not found.
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What version of CCE was it? It reads type 2 avi's. The error sounds like your codecs weren't installed.
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@ DJ:
"I agree about TMPGenc. The price is about the same. There is just no comparison between the two"
TMPGenc is a better overall solution. It is not only an encoder, it does other things also, plus it includes some great filters and it has great flexibility.
Expect an update on TMPGenc 's speed during next updates. The program team now neads to find a way to boost the speed, not so the quality, if they want to keep a position in the market. For quality, many users believe that TMPGenc is better on lower framesizes/bitrates than CCE, which is better for higher framesizes/ bitrates.... The only real disadvance of TMPGenc is the speed. It is sllllloooooowww compared to CCE.
In quality, there are minimum differences and also, both encoders have their issues (moskito noise Vs block noise), so the way I see it, it is more a taste issue.
Myself for example, I prefere block noise over the moskito noise. Moskito noise makes an mpeg look like VHS in a big digital screen. Block noise looks in my eyes better overall. Expecially on digital screens. The best would be no noise at all, but that is impossible.
This is the solution the DVB transmitions choose in Europe. Block over moskito noise picture.
If TMPGenc boost the speed at something equal to CCE, then for me, not the one who simply "back up" DVD movies, the one who wish to encode his own home material, TMPGenc is an overall better CCE.
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however, can you resize without frameserving? Frameserving for me decreases speed alot, maybe i am doing something wrong
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Use a program called DVD2AVI and resize your avi or mpeg in there and save it as a DVD2AVI project. There are many guides on the net on how to use it. You would then convert your saved project to an AVI with VFAPICodec. This is still frameserving through a codec, but way faster than framserving through a program like VirtualDub or TMPGenc. You wouldn't really notice the difference.
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I take about a 20% performance hit when I frameserve. Say for an average DVD resolution, I can encode a raw avi at 1.5x playback speed. Frameseved, I would get anywhere from .9 to 1.2, depending on any of the various other filters I happen to be running. I did find that the internal resize function in CCE is much faster than a frameserved resize using AVISynth.
I would still be squeemish about TMPGenc. They need to clean up the GUI. It's too confusing, as there is no clear INPUT, or OUTPUT settings. "Advanced" and "Video"? They should also include the ability for custom filters, ala VirtualDub, and AVISynth.Impossible to see the future is. The Dark Side clouds everything... -
<pedantic rant>
The thing I dislike about TMPGenc is that some of its "features" are pathetically amateurish. Take motion estimation search for example: no other encoder I'm aware of even has this as an option because the optimum search range is well-understood -- See "Requirements for motion-estimation search range in MPEG-2 coded video" for example.
The way TMPGenc implements motion search as a "feature," the impression it gives is that the greater the search range the higher the quality of the encoded result, but in reality, beyond a particular scope motion search is a waste of time. Everybody knows this intuitively ("I used to use highest quality but I didn't see any difference so now I only use high") -- couldn't they just add a checkbox that says "[X] Make Encoding Take Too Long" instead?
</pedantic rant>
But to give the program credit where it's due, I do like the feature that inserts RFF flags so you don't have to bother with pulldown.exe afterward. It's convenient, but not convenient enough to wait until the sun burns out for a 2-pass VBR encode to finish. -
I tried to encode a ntsc DV type 1 to mpeg 2 2 pas vbr with elemental streams with wav audio and the CCE Encoder Basic crashed immediately after the Encode boutton was selected. If I selected mpeg 1 layer 2 audio instead of wav it worked fine.
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