forty-two v1.5.1 released

[KaiCherry]

this non-expiring version fixes a couple of bugs or so. stop by VT, Macupdate, or http://homepage.mac.com/kaicherry and pick it up

And while you are there, if you have a SuperDrive or other DVD-Recorder, a sense of urgency and a requirement for high quality...

Get your Rollerskates on and give DiscomVOBulator a try.

-K

[wiedenu]

Question:

Okay, I follow the directions in the manual.pdf.

Put in a DVD, 13th Warrior - 103 min long. Click "split" as it says in the manual, holds up for a little bit, rainbow spinning cursor. Mplayer launches once, quits quickly, launches again, quits again, doesn't do anything.

DVD ejects, and DiscomVOBulator's chapter mark window comes up with no movie, nothing.

Any hints as to what I'm doing wrong? forty-two works perfectly, so I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

Thanks for a great program in forty-two, and hopefully DiscomVOBulator will be another hit.

[KaiCherry]

What is the *exact* name of the DVD, as it appears in the Finder? Its it an iso-legal name?

All uppercase, no spaces, etc?

Or is it in fact "13th Warrior"?

If its a name issue, let us know please, as we developed a fix for this in forty-two that I think can be used on Disco.

-K

Question:

Okay, I follow the directions in the manual.pdf.

Put in a DVD, 13th Warrior - 103 min long. Click "split" as it says in the manual, holds up for a little bit, rainbow spinning cursor. Mplayer launches once, quits quickly, launches again, quits again, doesn't do anything.

DVD ejects, and DiscomVOBulator's chapter mark window comes up with no movie, nothing.

Any hints as to what I'm doing wrong? forty-two works perfectly, so I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

Thanks for a great program in forty-two, and hopefully DiscomVOBulator will be another hit.

[wiedenu]

The exact name of the DVD is "THIRTWAR" Also tried the X-Men DVD, which is named "XMEN"

So, I don't think it would be a name issue, plus I've never had one before, but you never know!

[KaiCherry]

i have xmen...trying it now. You may want to try a reboot. this seems to be an odd mplayer issue that chris seems to solve with a reboot.

Try running a couple of commands in ther terminal...are they "hanging?"

Generally when my TiBook gets to that point, I just suck it up and reboot.

I'll pop in my xmen dvd and get back to ya in a few...

-K

[KaiCherry]

I'm good to go here on XMEN, processing at about 1.5MB/sec

-K

[wiedenu]

Okay, now this is weird.

You suggested try running a couple of Terminal commands. Did that, and everything works fine, responsive right away! Hmm...

Even opened up mplayer through Terminal and played a mpg1-muxed file. That played fine.

I think the problem may be with the location or something of mplayer, as I get this response when I click "split" for XMEN dvd.

There are 34 titles on this DVD.
There are 29 chapters in this DVD title.
There are 1 angles in this DVD title.
font: can't open file: /Users/wiedenu/.mplayer/font/font.desc
font: can't open file: /usr/local/share/mplayer/font/font.desc
DVD successfully opened.
[open] audio stream: 0 audio format: ac3 (5.1) language: en aid: 128
[open] audio stream: 1 audio format: ac3 (stereo) language: en aid: 129
[open] audio stream: 2 audio format: ac3 (stereo) language: fr aid: 130
[open] number of audio channels on disk: 3.
[open] subtitle ( sid ): 0 language: en
[open] subtitle ( sid ): 1 language: es
[open] subtitle ( sid ): 2 language: fr
[open] number of subtitles on disk: 3


I have been prone to placing files in the wrong spot before...


BTW - Thanks for the very quick help!

[KaiCherry]

This is normal

Yeah try a reboot. Talked to chris, its a MacOSX/mplayer/dvd thing.

-K

Okay, now this is weird.


font: can't open file: /Users/wiedenu/.mplayer/font/font.desc
font: can't open file: /usr/local/share/mplayer/font/font.desc


I have been prone to placing files in the wrong spot before...


BTW - Thanks for the very quick help!

[wiedenu]

Okay, well this deserves a night's sleep.

Rebooted, started up Disco. I dragged XMEN to the window-area. Mplayer opens, or tries to anyway, and I get the response that I posted earlier.

I'm just gonna sleep on it, and try it tomorrow.

Thanks for all the quick help!

[Matsaki]

Hi!
Dus the 1.5.1 update fix the PAL bug?

[Uernie]

Sorry Kai & Co

I don't think the PAL-bugs are fixed in the 1.5.1...

I'm a bit sad... javascript:emoticon('')

With the following elements, the DVD's PAL still gets spit out after doing phase B, joined by the words '... the fish' & 'Quit 42' :


-DivX (of any size)
-I tried several DVD's
-Subs ON (any language)
-no other dvd-concerning program is opened
-even after I just formatted my HD (partition) & could reinstall OSX 10.2.2 till 10.2.4. in a proper way
-'ve a PB 15" 1Ghz 768RAM

BUT

Other formats ( 2nd row for ex. DVD Q1) don't show problems concerning subs as far as I know because I have NO preview! It just hangs while doing 'the audio' after Xferring and video.
I only get a preview with DivX-formats (of course subs disabled...)...

I hope you guys have enough PAL-material to work it out...

If I disable the subtitles, everything works very nice! So anyway: still nice work!

Uernie

[CaseyComb]

Hello Kai,

It's me again, the overly irritable, mac illiterate, beligerent forum poster. Anyway did a clean install of OSX and Everything appeared fine until the Xferring process, which in and of itself seemed to go fine. It stopped said "Thanks for the fish" or something something to that effect. When I went to look for the files there were none. If you're wondering the disc was "Strange Days". I'm going to attempt another disc after I install the 1.51 update. Also going to check out that discomVOBulator. I was wondering can you choose specific audio tracks or are you stuck with whatever was on the disc? Anyway just a progress report with a question about DiscomVOBulator thrown in for good measure.

Have a good one

P.S. What is the Q1 function for? Maybe I missed something

[wookstar]

What up Kai?
I tried discomVOBulator yesterday.
I tried using Starwars EPisode 2.
Which I figured would be split in 2, cause it's too big for one disc.
The problem is, it took about 4 hours.
Never showed me the video screen where you can add chapters.
It was just blank. And when it finished it just pooped out one .iso file that was 2.2 gigs. Shouldn't it have given me 2 larger files?
I tried playing the Video TS folder in Apple DVD player, but the movie was only like half an hour, and then there was an error and it quit.
Why is this happening?

[elreeko]

Great work on Forty Two versions 1.5 and 1.5.1 A much faster and much more awesome application than the earlier versions. I was able to rip 5 disks perfectly to SVCD that would not rip with earlier versions, including all my criterion disks (which I can now hide away from greasy, disk damaging fingers).

Thanks again guys. Keep up the good work.

[KaiCherry]

I was able to rip 5 disks perfectly to SVCD that would not rip with earlier versions, including all my criterion disks (which I can now hide away from greasy, disk damaging fingers).

Thanks again guys. Keep up the good work.

Thank you dude! You stuck with us thru the ugliness..it was the least I could do to TRY to make those Criterion DVDs work for ya'

And you soooo hit upon a point. There are 30 greasy fingers here that drove me to write this stuff in the first place

-K

[schmeg]

So it turns out that most of my DVDs are poorly authored, since there are plenty of language and subtitle problems for the 42 team to wrap their heads around.

(encoding from DVD to DVD-R)

In particular, discs that don't have languages/subtitles properly identified. "Place Vendome" has a single English subtitle track that must not be labeled right: in OSeX it rings up as (??). So in 42, I choose "Other" for subtitles for that track, the Subtitle drop-down "lights up," but no EN or other abbreviation.

Okay, crummy disc, but how can get those subtitles? I've tried clicking the subtitles drop-down box, not clicking... No titles.

"Kolya" has two English subtitle tracks, the first (default) being a descriptive track for the hard of hearing, the second being the more usual dialogue only.

If I choose either "English" or "Other" and try to select the second track, I still only get the first descriptive track.

Wish List: a way to explicitly choose which language or subtitle slot to encode, rather than only relying on the abbreviations.


Also, please add one vote to the tally of those who'd like the mpeg files left unmuxed. Most often I want to bring this file into DVDSP to add multiple audio tracks, extras, chapter stops, whatever. It saves time all around to allow the option of not muxing.

Thanks, fellas.

[KaiCherry]

Also, please add one vote to the tally of those who'd like the mpeg files left unmuxed. Most often I want to bring this file into DVDSP to add multiple audio tracks, extras, chapter stops, whatever. It saves time all around to allow the option of not muxing.

Thanks, fellas.

forty-two was not designed for those that can afford a $1000 dvd authoring suite. Why would these people even *need* forty-two?

-K

[MichaelLAX]

Kai:

Ok, so I updated to 1.5.1 and tried another VCD rip. This time it resulted in one big (1.1Gb) MPEG file and an EMPTY folder that said burn these files...

So I used Missing MPEG Tools to split the MPEG file into two. I tried to use Missing MPEG Burner, but I cannot figure out how to configure it for my Apple SuperDrive (when I have more time, I will research how to use MMB), so I used Toast. The VCD played on MacVCDX, but not in my Sony 315. The fact that it plays on the software player but not the DVD player is not unusual, as I have had other "problem" MPEGs burn into VCDs that had similar results (i.e. play on MacVCDX, but not the DVD player).

So, I tried using Capty DVD/VCD authoring software from Pixela to author a VCD image file from the first MPEG split file and then burned that into a VCD using Toast. This approach has "fixed" most of the other "problem" MPEG files I have had, into viewable VCDs on my DVD player before, and IT WORKS HERE, TOO!

Interestingly it still, however, is not auto-ejecting the DVD. I come in and find DVD Player showing the movie. So I quit DVD Player and manually eject the DVD.

I probably will not be trying a SVCD rip anymore, as I find the procedure for burning them on a Mac too convoluted at this point, and the new DVD player I purchased last weekend (Sony 315) doesn't support playing them anyway (it will play my DVD-Rs and DVD-RWs, which would not play on my old Denon 1500).

As far as the so-called TMPGEnc SVCD fix is concerned, it is not clear to me if it really fixes them, or just transcodes them back to MPEG-1s so that they are playable on many DVD players that do not normally support SVCDs (like the Sony 315). Besides blank DVD-Rs from www.americal.com at $.85 each in lots of 50 makes SVCDs irrelevant now from my point of view.

I will next try a rip to DVD tonight and report the results tomorrow...

[KaiCherry]

Kai:

Ok, so I updated to 1.5.1 and tried another VCD rip. This time it resulted in one big (1.1Gb) MPEG file and an EMPTY folder that said burn these files...

Folder name/path problem.

-K

[schmeg]

forty-two was not designed for those that can afford a $1000 dvd authoring suite. Why would these people even *need* forty-two?
-K

Man, you guys baffle me. Do you not want reports and suggestions on how people hope to actually use your software? We probably don't expect that every suggestion will or can be implemented, but there's an odd attitude around here that can be very off-putting.

I had hoped to point out something about subtitle handling that 42 might be able to fix. If you can figure out how to hook in subtitles that aren't identified by a country code, that would be dandy. Hope it works out.

As for leaving the .mpv intact -- that's something 42 USED to do, so it's not an alien concept. I'm just voting to let it stay.

Does my vote count less because I have DVDSP? Does it count more if I explained that this is my boyfriend's Mac, he teaches film production at a university and so he gets this system to work on at home, and since I've been unhappily unemployed for the last few months I get to sit around all day and teach myself a thing or two about DVD formats? I haven't got two nickels to rub together. But I do have my two cents to share. I hope you'll encourage others to give you suggestions about innovations in 42.

[MichaelLAX]

KAI:

UPDATE:

I went to sleep at 11pm with 42 indicating 17+ hours left on the DVD to DVD rip.

This morning I awoke to a computer frozen at 2:58am with 14 + hours left...

I will research what you mean by the folder name/path problem (for the VCD rip) and retry. It currently saves into the Documents folder, so I am not sure what you mean by your comment (Can you copy and paste what you are referring to?)...

Thanks for the quick reply on the VCD rip...

[the_locke]

Kai:

Ok, so I updated to 1.5.1 and tried another VCD rip. This time it resulted in one big (1.1Gb) MPEG file and an EMPTY folder that said burn these files...

Folder name/path problem.

-K

Kai -

hate to be a pest, but MichaelLAX had the same problem I did with two disks yesterday. 42 is updated in the same location it was before, and the place I'm saving files is the same as those that worked before.

Can you be more specific as to what the "Folder name/path problem" could be?

As always - thanks for your time and help.

[KaiCherry]

forty-two was not designed for those that can afford a $1000 dvd authoring suite. Why would these people even *need* forty-two?
-K

Man, you guys baffle me. Do you not want reports and suggestions on how people hope to actually use your software? We probably don't expect that every suggestion will or can be implemented, but there's an odd attitude around here that can be very off-putting.

That's not your fault I just have these cyclical arguements with folks that keep asking us for features that they want/need to use software they have obviously pirated, and are angry at us because we won't help them

I had hoped to point out something about subtitle handling that 42 might be able to fix. If you can figure out how to hook in subtitles that aren't identified by a country code, that would be dandy. Hope it works out.

if you pick "Other..." for subtitles, and pick a sub from the little menu under there, it actually (should) be using the numerical subchannel id. the country codes are there but this is confusing.

I will double check with bilestyle on this and make sure the gui is doing this.

If they all say "en" or whatever, thats because its what the DVD says. each slot in the menu corresponds to a numerical subtitle id. That is what gets sent.

Country codes are sent when you use the basic options.
[/quote]

As for leaving the .mpv intact -- that's something 42 USED to do, so it's not an alien concept. I'm just voting to let it stay.

already gone....

Does my vote count less because I have DVDSP? Does it count more if I explained that this is my boyfriend's Mac, he teaches film production at a university and so he gets this system to work on at home, and since I've been unhappily unemployed for the last few months I get to sit around all day and teach myself a thing or two about DVD formats? I haven't got two nickels to rub together. But I do have my two cents to share. I hope you'll encourage others to give you suggestions about innovations in 42.

I hope the above clears it up for you

-K

Hey Kai,
I have a quick problem for you that for the life of me I cannot figure out. I tried backing up The Tuxedo, the name is THE_TUXEDO as shown in finder. It processes as expected and when all is said and done I'm left with a MPEG-2 file (4gigs). The only thing is, I thought 42 was supposed to output .bin/.cue files. I've thought of demuxing the .mpg file and then using DVDSP but like was stated I thought 42 was getting away from that dependency. For more information, 42 is in my Macintosh_HD/Applications/ and the output folder is in Macintosh_HD/users/aaron/documents/fortytwooutput/ . Hope this information is useful, anyone know what to do with this mpeg-2?

A@ron

UPDATE: Using Missing MPEG Tools .91 and selecting the dvdvob folder radial button and the .mp2 button appears to be authoring audio_ts and video_ts folders from the mpeg-2 file... we will see how this goes.

[KaiCherry]

For more information, 42 is in my Macintosh_HD/Applications/ and the output folder is in Macintosh_HD/users/aaron/documents/fortytwooutput/

You don't have to name your startup drive this way...Macintosh HD is just fine. That's what mine is called.

And for the record, I don't use 42 for DVD-DVD...its too slow. I use DiscomVOBulator so I can get all the audio tracks, have chapters and switchable subtitles

Of course, if a Title is too big to fit on 1 disk it gets splint into two...but, hey...can't have everything . We *are* Mac Users, lol.

-K

[MichaelLAX]

Kai:

Could you please elaborate on what the "Folder name/path problem" is?

Thanks and sorry if it is a repetitious request....

Michael

Well it kinda worked... I got the video_ts and audio_ts folders and I used toast to burn them. The video skips when played in the standalone and has no audio, but on the computer using VLC (current release) it plays smooth with sound. Im now trying bbdemux to demux it... I think Im going to see if this happens with all my dvds that I own or only The Tuxedo. Anyone else experience this? Kai, thanks for the suggestion on Disco but I don't want/need the menus, extra languages, multiple angles... any of that. I don't mind degrading a film to the functionality of a VHS tape.

A@ron

[schmeg]

if you pick "Other..." for subtitles, and pick a sub from the little menu under there, it actually (should) be using the numerical subchannel id. the country codes are there but this is confusing.

I will double check with bilestyle on this and make sure the gui is doing this.

If they all say "en" or whatever, thats because its what the DVD says. each slot in the menu corresponds to a numerical subtitle id. That is what gets sent.

Country codes are sent when you use the basic options.

I bet I didn't explain this very clearly. It's a weird thing. Some discs apparently don't assign language codes to their subtitles -- that's the situation I found with, for example, "Place Vendome."

If I use anything else to examine the disc structure, such as OSeX, it too reports back that there is a subtitle track, but no language code. [OSeX uses the symbol of two question marks (??).]

So the 42 subtitle drop-down menu activates itself properly, but there are NO abbreviations there at all. I stress that I know this isn't a 42 bug -- it's caused by poorly authored DVDs. If anyone else observes this problem on more common DVDs (me and my French dramas...) maybe they can report it in case Bilestyle wants to take a look.

Thanks, Kai.

[Mactrav]

Everyone here try DiscomVOBulator, it will save you alot of headaches.

[wiedenu]

So I used Missing MPEG Tools to split the MPEG file into two. I tried to use Missing MPEG Burner, but I cannot figure out how to configure it for my Apple SuperDrive (when I have more time, I will research how to use MMB), so I used Toast.

I have the same problem, and it's a known issue with MMB. SuperDrives do NOT support DAO, which is one of the ways MMB works.

There's a post here from Ross that explains this.