Why is every one not using DVD2ONE

[OSU]

Try DVD2ONE on a title like this example:

24,576 VIDEO_TS.IFO
11,536,384 VIDEO_TS.VOB
47,104 VTS_01_0.IFO
1,072,603,136 VTS_01_1.VOB
1,072,609,280 VTS_01_2.VOB
758,927,360 VTS_01_3.VOB
47,104 VTS_02_0.IFO
1,072,265,216 VTS_02_1.VOB
1,072,515,072 VTS_02_2.VOB
747,132,928 VTS_02_3.VOB
43,008 VTS_03_0.IFO
1,072,300,032 VTS_03_1.VOB
1,072,271,360 VTS_03_2.VOB
327,411,712 VTS_03_3.VOB

This is one movie. No extras, no subs, no 5.1, no extra languages, just 2hrs 50 min of footage. DVD2ONE doesn't allow selection of more than one episode at a time (01,02,03). It's inability to recognize that all the .VOB's are the main movie is a serious flaw.

Instant Copy doesn't seem to care that the title has this structure and just copies it as is. It is slower, but who cares cause it is as close to 1:1 as you can get in a DVD-9 to DVD-5 conversion.

[Bob W]

When DVD2ONE can do episodic titles with menus intact it will be a fair comparison between the two. Until then DVD2ONE rates second to Instant Copy, IMO.

You do know that with a DVD2one backup you can use the "next" or "step" command on your DVD player and the movie will go to the next chapter? This is in fact a lot faster than going to a menu then selecting "scene selection" and finally locating the scene you want to view.

I have zero interest in Instant Copy after what I went through with the buggy Studio8 program and the lack of support from Pinnicle. Also using SmartRipper I can rip a DVD in 15 minutes or less then another 15 minutes for DVD2one to do it's job and 15 minutes to burn at 4x on my Sony DRU500A. Why would I want to use Instant Copy and add another hour or two to the process?

[MackemX]

You do know that with a DVD2one backup you can use the "next" or "step" command on your DVD player and the movie will go to the next chapter? This is in fact a lot faster than going to a menu then selecting "scene selection" and finally locating the scene you want to view.

I have zero interest in Instant Copy after what I went through with the buggy Studio8 program and the lack of support from Pinnicle. Also using SmartRipper I can rip a DVD in 15 minutes or less then another 15 minutes for DVD2one to do it's job and 15 minutes to burn at 4x on my Sony DRU500A. Why would I want to use Instant Copy and add another hour or two to the process?

some DVD's have quite a few chapters so you would be pressing the button quite a few times, why not just press Program and enter chapter no. that way!, some people like chapter selection menu's etc as for some DVD's they are essential

looks like you gave up quite easily with IC as you seem to fall into the catagory of the ONE BUTTON PRESS club

IC is definetly not as buggy as you make out or feel, as a lot of so called 'BUGS' are down to the following

1. the User
2. their operating system, its settings and programs installed
3. DVD chosen (0.000001% have have an issue with IC)
4. program used to rip it and how
5. any modifications to resulting rippped file before given to IC
6. stripping options chosen within IC
7. if PDI files are extracted and modified
8. burning program used

now add to 2/4/6/8 all the possible different user option settings then you will end up with one helluva lot of combinations as a lot of so called 'BUGS' are down to just the 1st 5 before it even gets to IC (mainly 1&2)

some have had no problems with IC (me for one), and is this because I have a different version of IC?, nope, it's just it works quite fine on my PC and has so for the last 30 backups along with my system setup, knowledge of computers and DVD structures!

my only grief with it is the predicted filesize, which you can manually edited by oversizing anyway

don't get me wrong I have had some errors but found they were self-inflicted and I simply found solutions by browsing forums or just trial & error

this 'BUG ' issue not only relates to IC but to every piece of software that is released, as everyone's setup & computer knowledge is not the same

[MackemX]

If you run Make-It-Easy with DVD2ONE you can keep the menus and extras,I'm doing it now with movies and TV episodes like TNG,Farscape,Babylon5,and the Sopranos.

this just defeats the whole speed issue as how long does it take to use makiteasy and rebuild the DVD structure
How long does it take to setup and do?
The quality will greatly suffer compared to IC also as series DVD's are a lot longer than 2 hours
those DVD's would take less USERTIME (sitting at PC) with IC than DVD2One, so how can people say DVD2One is faster?, faster only comes into it when it's processsing but that's about it
It takes more USERTIME rebuilding a DVD with DVD2One than IC especially on series DVD's, when you set IC away which would be about 5 mins into DVD2One's processing time if you started at the same time, BUT that's it JOB DONE! as long as you have a blank DVD in your writer, go do something else for 2 hours, do you really have to sit at your computer while it processes as I can't see that in the user manual!

plus tell me if you do everyone of those DVD's successfully with fully working menu's and extras and I will be impressed. Good luck cos you'll need it

If you still say it takes 2-3 hours with IC then how many DVD's do you have to backup in a day or do you buy more than one DVD a day?!??!?!?
one a day is at least 28 in a month, so how big is your collection, and how long would it take to backup your collection at say 1 or 2 a day?

[gobama]

I'd like to try instant copy, but it will not work on my system. Could it be that I have a Pentium II 450 when it says the minimum configuration should be a Pentium III ? It may be a dumb question, but sometimes software does run on slower systems even though it states a faster system meets the minimum requirements. I know with CCE it matters, because it requires SSE2 or 3DNow, which I obviously am lacking with my "dinosaur system." But seriously though, anyone out there with a Pentium II running Instant Copy 7 with no problems? I'd like to hear from you if there are, because having this software and not being able to at least properly evaluate it has me frustrated a bit. Cheers

[MackemX]

I'd like to try instant copy, but it will not work on my system. Could it be that I have a Pentium II 450 when it says the minimum configuration should be a Pentium III ? It may be a dumb question, but sometimes software does run on slower systems even though it states a faster system meets the minimum requirements. I know with CCE it matters, because it requires SSE2 or 3DNow, which I obviously am lacking with my "dinosaur system." But seriously though, anyone out there with a Pentium II running Instant Copy 7 with no problems? I'd like to hear from you if there are, because having this software and not being able to at least properly evaluate it has me frustrated a bit. Cheers

probably that and a mixture of the operating system also, if you can I suggest an update if you really want to try this program

[OSU]

You do know that with a DVD2one backup you can use the "next" or "step" command on your DVD player and the movie will go to the next chapter? This is in fact a lot faster than going to a menu then selecting "scene selection" and finally locating the scene you want to view.

In the example posted, that is not even relevant. On the Title Selection screen in DVD2ONE, you only allowed to select one "title". In my example, that one title (VTS_01_1.VOB - VTS_01_3.VOB) only accounts for 1/3 of the actual movie. So what happens with the other 2/3 of the movie? DVD2ONE is not smart enough to recognize that parts VTS_02_1.VOB - VTS_02_3.VOB and VTS_03_1.VOB - VTS_03_3.VOB are the remainder of the movie and need to be included in the encoding and backup process. Instant Copy doesn't care about "complex" DVD layouts like this one. It doesn't require a third part application to retain menus. It just works as is.

[gobama]

Episode Discs with dvd2one are easy, if you set things up right. I don't care about the menus, I just want the main stuff. So I rip the main files with decryptor and then use ifoedit to create 1 PGC so that dvd2one will be able to process it. They're TV epsiodes anyway, and even on the original DVD's they're not the greatest quality. I've had no problems backing up multiple PGC movies such as Band of Brothers or episode dvd's like the Sanford & Son series and Good Times. This method works fine, unless you absolutely need the menus. This method means each chapter is an episode.

[tommyoz]

i dont think anyone NEEDS the extras, i mean come on, no one buys/rents/burns a movie just to watch the special features

I understand that this topic is only a matter of opinion so I will state mine.
YES!! I do want the extras. This is a good source for info on the movie. How many times do you actually watch your backups? There will come a time when someone will mention a good part of the DVD and Say "no, it was part of the deleted scenes" especially a very sexy scene.

InstantCopy is my answer so far. I'm sure it will get better as time goes by. As far as quality, it loses a little but this is far better than VHS.

I want the entire DVD on one DVD-R. It's all only going to get better.

[OSU]

Why is it not an apples to apples comparison for these products??? One application (DVD2ONE) requires the use of two third party applications (IfoEdit and Make-It-Easy) for the functionality that the other (Instant Copy) provides on it's own. Additionally, the IfoEdit method for episodic/multi-title DVD, does not work for all situations.

[gobama]

But the method I described in conjunction with multi-episode discs works in ALL situations. I'm not boasting, nor am I one to do so, but the method does work because the episodes are split by chapter within 1 PGC so there is no chance whatsoever of it not working with ifoedit. after creating the ifo files with ifoedit, if you feel like stripping anything out you can. Just my 2 cents

[Capt Peachfuzz]

I have to say the main reason I haven't started using any of the newer tools is the cost. $50 to $100 is a little expensive when I'm managing to back-up my DVDs right now with Ifoedit and some very basic alternate solutions.

I'm also waiting for an effective "all-in-one" option to appear that covers both compression to one DVD-R and splitting to two DVD-Rs. It strikes me that there's too much variation among my DVD collection to offer an easy, one-button approach to back them all up.

Ideally, I'd like an effective hands-on tool just like Ifoedit, except with more (or at least clearer) options and/or a detailed user's manual. I've been using Ifoedit now for a few months and I feel like I've really only used about 1/10 of its potential. I'd lose a lot of the fun in backing up my DVDs if it was just a simple button push.

[OSU]

But the method I described in conjunction with multi-episode discs works in ALL situations. I'm not boasting, nor am I one to do so, but the method does work because the episodes are split by chapter within 1 PGC so there is no chance whatsoever of it not working with ifoedit. after creating the ifo files with ifoedit, if you feel like stripping anything out you can. Just my 2 cents

Sure it works, if you want to create one flat .VOB structure of only the main movie. Unfortunately, it does not work and preserve the menus and sub-menus in the example that I listed. What good is a DVD if the menu's and features are all stripped away? Might as well go back to VHS. Once again we are not talking about DVD2ONE vs Instant Copy are we then? We are comparing DVD2ONE+Make It Easy+IfoEdit vs Instant Copy. Why not open it up and compare it to the DVD2AVI+CCE+DVD Maestro method? From a quality standpoint, that method beats all others, IMO.

The original question was ... Why is every one not using DVD2ONE? I have given my reasoning. Others have respectfully disagreed and that's cool too.

[spaceman]

Why is it not an apples to apples comparison for these products??? One application (DVD2ONE) requires the use of two third party applications (IfoEdit and Make-It-Easy) for the functionality that the other (Instant Copy) provides on it's own. Additionally, the IfoEdit method for episodic/multi-title DVD, does not work for all situations.

How can you say that DVD2one needs 2 other aplications to be functional,when it does everything it intends to ie the movie.It's not like it's been sold as an all in one program and anyone that buys it knows it.Although it does intend to implement these features in future versions.In my opinion DVD2one is very functional & IC is slooooow........Fair enough if you are the minority that want all the menus & extras then IC is probably the the one for you at the moment........Spaceman

[OSU]

How can you say that DVD2one needs 2 other aplications to be functional,when it does everything it intends to ie the movie.It's not like it's been sold as an all in one program and anyone that buys it knows it.Although it does intend to implement these features in future versions.In my opinion DVD2one is very functional & IC is slooooow........Fair enough if you are the minority that want all the menus & extras then IC is probably the the one for you at the moment........Spaceman

Problem is that I don't think that I am in the minority, IMO. And yes, DVD2ONE is being sold as a way to back up your existing DVD’s. Nowhere do they state, “it will only backup simple non-episodic DVD’s” or “forget about the menus and extras”. I mean, is it really a backup if the menu's and extras are not present? We are all trying to make exact backups of existing DVD's in our collection, in the event that the originals go bad, right? So why wouldn't you want to have 1:1 copies?

Read the threads here and at the other sites where they are discussing both applications in a head to head comparison. How can DVD2ONE do everything when it cannot do the menu's and episodic titles w/o the aid of Make it Easy and IfoEdit? Add all the total time it takes to do all the steps in this process and compare it to Instant Copy and guess what... it's pretty damn close. So time isn't as much of a factor. As for quality, I cannot tell the difference between a DVD9 to DVD5 done on each application. Larger titles will have more pixilation on each, no doubt. The CCE method gives better results than either DVD2ONE or Instant Copy, but is longer and too complex for some folks. If I am not happy with the result of either DVD2ONE or Instant Copy, I use CCE.

As for more features that DVD2ONE has promised... (if) when it happens I'll believe it. They spent the last month trying to defeat the warez gods, with some lame a$$ 100 character serial code, that my e-Mail package couldn't process the first time around. Sadly, for those of us that paid the $49, the warez gods will eventually figure this one out too. If hardware dongles can be hacked, nothing software based is safe. They should just concentrate on making the app more functional.

I want to support the little guy in this all the way. Pinnacle, Ulead, Adobe etc... are known for putting out poor first releases and then failing to support issues and short comings as they arise. Hopefully the DVD2ONE developers will listen, and implement some of these changes soon, before they lose their window of opportunity.

[spaceman]

Read the threads here and at the other sites where they are discussing both applications in a head to head comparison. How can DVD2ONE do everything when it cannot do the menu's and episodic titles w/o the aid of Make it Easy and IfoEdit? Add all the total time it takes to do all the steps in this process and compare it to Instant Copy and guess what... it's pretty damn close. So time isn't as much of a factor. As for quality, I cannot tell the difference between a DVD9 to DVD5 done on each application. Larger titles will have more pixilation on each, no doubt. The CCE method gives better results than either DVD2ONE or Instant Copy, but is longer and too complex for some folks. If I am not happy with the result of either DVD2ONE or Instant Copy, I use CCE.

It's actually about 15 mins extra on top of the transcode to add all the extras/menus of the original using DVD2one 1.01,IFOedit & IFOupdate.

I do agree though that if quality is the issue then CCE is still king and i still use now and then.I think for some people using DVD2one & IC7 is like using square pegs in round holes because of there individual weaknesses,but for me DVD2one will do for now,but in a years time who knows..............Sapceman

[thinkert]

i dont think anyone NEEDS the extras, i mean come on, no one buys/rents/burns a movie just to watch the special features

I understand that this topic is only a matter of opinion so I will state mine.
YES!! I do want the extras. This is a good source for info on the movie. How many times do you actually watch your backups? There will come a time when someone will mention a good part of the DVD and Say "no, it was part of the deleted scenes" especially a very sexy scene.

Abso-friggin-lutely! If I just wanted the movie, I'd subscribe to the movie channels and just tape movies from there. But DVDs give you those extras that you just can't find anywhere else about the movies that you like, such as deleted scenes or commentaries-that's why I bought a DVD player. So I'm just the opposite-there's no point to backing up just the movie for me in most cases. If I lost my original I'd lose everything I bought the DVD player for and have to buy another copy of the DVD anyway.

[mikef07]

Since people claim IC is an all in one solution please let me know how you decrypt with IC? You can't. You need another piece of software. So until IC does ALL, it is NOT an ALL-IN-ONE.

[OSU]

Since people claim IC is an all in one solution please let me know how you decrypt with IC? You can't. You need another piece of software. So until IC does ALL, it is NOT an ALL-IN-ONE.

Never said it was. Just cited the fact that it can do a wider variety of DVD types (episodic) and backup menus with no third party applications needed. All the solutions mentioned (DVD2ONE, Instant Copy and the CCE way) require a decrypt don't they? Are you saying you can cut the decrypt step out with DVD2ONE? The DVD2ONE team even includes code that detects source encrypted data, and terminated the process if found.

I think it (the lack of a built in decrypter) has more to do with some sticky legal issues around decrypting a format that was never intended to be made available to the general public. If DVD2ONE or Pinnacle were to include this, wouldn't they open themselves up to some legal action from the MPAA? At least here in the states I believe that's the case.

[OSU]

It's actually about 15 mins extra on top of the transcode to add all the extras/menus of the original using DVD2one 1.01,IFOedit & IFOupdate.

I do agree though that if quality is the issue then CCE is still king and i still use now and then.I think for some people using DVD2one & IC7 is like using square pegs in round holes because of there individual weaknesses,but for me DVD2one will do for now,but in a years time who knows..............Sapceman

For me the process of joining all the episodic .VOB's in Vobedit and then creating the new .IFO files is averaging about 40 minutes. My typical DVD2ONE encode takes about an hour for a conversion from @ 8GB to 4.7GB. Record Now another 35 minutes. The same title in Instant Copy is averaging about 110 minutes and another 35 in Record Now.

I do agree that there is no "absolute perfect process" for backing up DVD-9 to DVD-5's. The person or company to bring that to market first will make some serious $$$. Once DVD writers become standard equipment that everyone owns, the process will have to be dumbed down considerably for the mass public. None of these products are even close to doing that. Imagine having to walk some novice through the CCE method as it exists right now.

[videocheez]

If you are new to this like I am, DVD2ONE is the way to go because it's fast and easy. The simple guide that I followed from http://www.dvd2one.com/howtouse.htm worked the first time so I got a chance to have success without frustration. I'm sure I will eventually want to make more professional DVD's with scene selections etc. just because I'm a glutton for punishment but so far I'm content. I didn't use one four letter word during the entire process.

[mikef07]

Since people claim IC is an all in one solution please let me know how you decrypt with IC? You can't. You need another piece of software. So until IC does ALL, it is NOT an ALL-IN-ONE.

Never said it was. Just cited the fact that it can do a wider variety of DVD types (episodic) and backup menus with no third party applications needed. All the solutions mentioned (DVD2ONE, Instant Copy and the CCE way) require a decrypt don't they? Are you saying you can cut the decrypt step out with DVD2ONE? The DVD2ONE team even includes code that detects source encrypted data, and terminated the process if found.

I think it (the lack of a built in decrypter) has more to do with some sticky legal issues around decrypting a format that was never intended to be made available to the general public. If DVD2ONE or Pinnacle were to include this, wouldn't they open themselves up to some legal action from the MPAA? At least here in the states I believe that's the case.

Your views are flawed. Don't say that you don't like DVD2ONE becuase you have to use third party apps. You have to use third party apps with IC too. You have to use 1 with IC and 2 or 3 with DVD2ONE. A third party app is a third party app. Whether you use 1, 2, or 3 you stilll need it. My opinion is this. If you are going to take more than an hour you might as well use CCE. Also, do you test your movies before burning them? Most people here do. Well with IC you need a third party app (PDI2ISO or PDIxtract). DVD2ONE outputs to a compliant DVD format. SO NOW YOUR THEORY IS REALLY FLAWED. The point is that you need third party apps no matter what. Some people like the speed of DVD2ONE. My question, why not use CCE since it takes the smae amount of time approximately.

[energy80s]

My question, why not use CCE since it takes the same amount of time approximately.

Maybe because CCE costs 2 grand, unless you are using a pirated version. CCE also needs a fast processor. CCE is not a good standalone encoder (needing AVIsynth to run correctly). CCE is very user unfriendly.

[mikef07]

No one here paid 2,000 for CCE, period. Second, use DVD2SVCD and it is very user friendly.

[gobama]

I like using dvd2one in the way that I choose to use it because it works and it's easy. We all have differing viewpoints on what is best, etc. Just try different methods out until you find the one that works best for you. Cheers 8)

[dhluke]

No offense to anyone... but CCE is the BEST MPEG-2 Encoder out in the market. Wheter you have bought it or pirate it, has no relevance to wheter the product is good or not. And the usage of AVIsynth is not necessary for CCE. That's for frameserving and filters.

Anyways, I liked DVD2ONE, IC, and CCE. I liked them all because I used them all for different things.

DVD Decrypter = DVD5!
DVD2ONE = DVD 5-6gigs
IC = DVD 6-7gigs
CCE = 9gigs+

That's the way I use all the programs. Also CCE for SVCD!.

I say, use what you like and stop talking about which one is the best. Since every single program has its own merits.

dhluke

P.S. Someone should hack IC to it uses CCE for encoding... THAT will be an "excellent" program.

[Jah_Rankin]

All u persons against DVD2One! Stop Hatinggggggggggggggg!!!!!, If U couldv'e makea proggy like this u wouldn't b complaining like a bunch of little Get real, it's a crying shame! u critics show me one of your inventions????????

[Megalis]

I think we can all agree that there is no "best" program out there. based on my personal preference, my vote goes to both DVD decrypter and DVDxCOPY. I like menus and for movies that are not dual layered these do a fine enough job for me. And for PS2 games you really can't beat DVD Decryptor for its ease and almost perfect 1:1 copy of games.

[mattcham]

Besides, Instantcopy makes a much better job of the video convertion.

That is the biggest false myth about InstantCopy.

I just tested this theory on several discs including:
1) Akira (Japanese animation) 5 GB original on dual-layer
2) Casablanca (live action) 5 GB original on dual-layer
3) Titus (live action) 7 GB original on dual-layer

I tried DVD2ONE vs. InstantCopy7 for each movie.
Kept only the main movie, one language, and
english subtitle.

DVD2ONE video quality is definitely better
for all movies i've tested.

I too used to think that DVD2ONE is crappy when
it comes to video quality (compared to the original).
But now I know that InstantCopy is even crappier.

Don't just believe other people's reviews and
opinions (not even mine). Try both programs
and see for yourself !!!

There are several problems with the methodology
in tests that some people have posted thus far.
It's not right to randomly pick frames from a
movie processed by DVD2ONE and then compare
it to those from IC. By doing that, you are comparing
subtle flaws that may not be apparent while
the video is playing. You need to pick particular
scenes where both programs do poorly, namely
low-contrast scenes. Doing so will show you that
DVD2ONE has superior image quality to IC.

I'm not saying that DVD2ONE gives pristine quality,
but it certainly gives better quality than IC in
low-contrast scenes where image flaws are most
obvious.

I am watching the output on a:
Samsung 32" HDTV
Panasonic RP-56 progessive DVD player on component output

[JasonK]

energy, I use CCE a lot, and it looks like you need someone to enlighten you.

CCE also needs a fast processor.

Wrong! CCE is very efficient, and can encode as fast with a lowly 500mhz P3 as TMPGenc does with a much faster processor.

CCE is not a good standalone encoder (needing AVIsynth to run correctly).

Wrong, I almost never use AVIsynth. CCE is a great standalone encoder - I would venture to go ahead and say that IT IS THE BEST standalone encoder.

CCE is very user unfriendly.

LOL! It took me minutes to learn the basics of CCE, and I can setup an encode in seconds. Then CCE takes care of the rest producing an mpeg2 output file far superior to anything you can get with DVD2ONE. If you want good quality with more automation, try DVD2DVDR or InstantCopy, which give better quality than DVD2ONE.