1.DVD2DVDR, 2.InstantCopy, 3. DVD2ONE

[Vegeta_RVPPC]

Nobody can argue that this is the way they stack up on picture quality alone. CCE is by far the most expensive and I can almost guarantee 99 percent of the people on this board and on the net period don't own a legal copy. Dvd2One is the fastest of the group bar none. If you are in hurry for somme reason then this is the best bet. But it lacks features that InstantCopy does as does DVD2DVDR or DVD2SVCD if you go that route. You lose the menu and the extras. For some this is great, but in my opinion why own a dvd unless you get some extra functionality that you don't get with a vhs. I like InstantCopy, I got the demo with Registry trick. I backed up the Matrix and deleted what features I didn't want and used that space for quality. I love this program, I only wish this pogram used CCE, but don't get me wrong. The image quality is incredible, just not CCE. InstantCopy can do a lot more than just dvd as well, we must not forget this. Us who are lucky enough to have dvd burners this is great, but people can rip dvd to [s}vcds now as well and still get pretty damn nice quality. The only problem I have with InstantCopy is LOTR, I can't get this to work, and I have a feeling there are more than just this that won't work. So until the day where Dvd2DVDR can be used to keep menus and extras, keep its picture quality, with the functionality of InstantCopy and speed of DVD2ONE, this is what we are to use and be happy with.

[JasonK]

but in my opinion why own a dvd unless you get some extra functionality that you don't get with a vhs.

Unless? Are you kidding? You DO get extra functionality, including subtitles and chapters easily enough, and even more importantly, can get better quality and the widescreen format. Who cares about extras and trailers that I don't waste my time watching anyway even on my originals. I rather dedicate that precious DVDR space to getting the best quality video. That's my point in having DVD, excellent wide screen playback on my progressive DVD player via component video to my HDTV.

[Will Hay]

Congratulations JasonK, you are now participating in the first four threads of this group, continually hammering a point you feel you *must* win?
Why do you have this obsessive need to prove an 'un-winable' point?
It doesn't matter man, get healthy, let it go.
The phrase 'a boy in the bush is worth two in the hand' may be totally lost on you.
Will

[Vegeta_RVPPC]

I was hoping people would either agree or diasagree with my observations on the topic at hand, but if you feel you must hinge on a point that I made, then feel free. Most people didn't buy a dvd player for the reasons you did. Sure the quality is a reason, but I myself bought one for the deleted scenes and thinks of that nature.

[NYPlayer]

1. DVD2one ease of use speed. No Authoring needed can keep what I want. No Subtiltle Sync Issues.

2. InstantCopy - Only for those movies I really want the extras on.

3. DVD2DVDR - You need DVDMaestro to author NTSC films since ifoedit cannot handle pulldown flags. Too much of a headache to piece together a DVD. I like to keep english tracks and all subtitles.

[Vegeta_RVPPC]

We both agree that InstantCopy is number 2, lol, dvd2one is just a faster version of DVD2DVDR with tons of quality loss, Im not in that big of a hurry, so I would prefer CCE method. I see your point though, to each is own.

[Will Hay]

We both agree that InstantCopy is number 2, lol, dvd2one is just a faster version of DVD2DVDR with tons of quality loss, Im not in that big of a hurry, so I would prefer CCE method. I see your point though, to each is own.

I don't have the huge quality loss you speak of, so you will no doubt appreciate my outlay for dvd2one ($50-ish) compared to your outlay for CCE ($2000-ish) puts things into prespective.
You get what you pay for and I wish I was in your posistion whereupon I could afford CCE.
Will

[JasonK]

silky31 said

Congratulations JasonK, you are now participating in the first four threads of this group, continually hammering a point you feel you *must* win?

Silky, you seem to have trouble reading and understanding a basic discussion. There is no "win" to this. Someone stated that the whole point of DVD is to have the extras. If that was the case, they wouldn't have superbit movies. Most people prefer high quality widescreen video over having extras... , and to see the movies in their original aspect ratios. There are other reasons of course such as retaining the original quality after multiple playbacks, the high quality soundtracks in Dolby and/or DTS, being able to go directly to chapters instantly, better cue/review/slowmotion, etc. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand, but I just assume that's your personal problem, and I don't really want to get into it.

Why do you have this obsessive need to prove an 'un-winable' point?
It doesn't matter man, get healthy, let it go.
The phrase 'a boy in the bush is worth two in the hand' may be totally lost on you.
Will

Again Silky, there was no winning to this. It was never about winning, and I'm certainly not obsessed about it. Mentioning something once doesn't make it an obsession. As a matter of fact, this is the first time I recall replying to someone anytime recently as to why I prefer DVD to VHS movies. And it's not because of the extras. So there you go. I was just going to say it once, and that most people would get it, but you seem to have completely missed the point. Hopefully after my additional explanation, it will be very clear to you.

[JasonK]

We both agree that InstantCopy is number 2, lol, dvd2one is just a faster version of DVD2DVDR with tons of quality loss, Im not in that big of a hurry, so I would prefer CCE method. I see your point though, to each is own

I agree with you there in principle, although dvd2one is really much different than DVD2DVDR. But you're sure right about the quality loss. I never use it.

I don't have the huge quality loss you speak of, so you will no doubt appreciate my outlay for dvd2one ($50-ish) compared to your outlay for CCE ($2000-ish) puts things into prespective.
You get what you pay for and I wish I was in your posistion whereupon I could afford CCE.

As usual, you're not reading. I've stated multiple times that you can get nearly identical quality from TMPGenc for much less $.

The only problem I have with InstantCopy is LOTR, I can't get this to work,

I did something unusual with LOTR extended edition. I took the 3 hr and 45 minutes of the movie, and reencoded the old fashioned manual way to fit on a single DVD with the DD5.1 English track (no subs or DTS.) The quality was better than I expected. I would have not wanted to see the results with DVD2ONE or I would be doing this

[Will Hay]

I don't have the huge quality loss you speak of, so you will no doubt appreciate my outlay for dvd2one ($50-ish) compared to your outlay for CCE ($2000-ish) puts things into prespective.
You get what you pay for and I wish I was in your posistion whereupon I could afford CCE.

As usual, you're not reading. I've stated multiple times that you can get nearly identical quality from TMPGenc for much less $.

Oh dear.
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
Thank you for proving my point.
It is *you* who, as usual is not reading the posts properly.
This comment I made was in reponse to Vegeta_RVPPC, not you, I never mentioned the ability of TMPGEnc, I was referring to the compasions between dvd2one and CCE.
My point you clearly missed was I don't have the ability to compare dvd2one, TMPGEnc and CCE purely on the basis on financies.
The word 'obsessive' springs to mind again JasonK.
We clearly won't agree, you find me unable to grasp a simple premise and I find you ignorant and blinkered, let's not spoil the forum.
Will Hay

[jxsam1@yahoo.com]

Hey Silky31,

I pretty much gave up on posting unless I really need to gather some type of info. JasonK seems to be the Thread Basher patrol wandering around.

I agree 100% on the quality of CCE. The best and nothing can come close to a 2-pass or 3-pass. TMPGEnc is on the right price range but takes too much time. I'm currently evaluating InstantCopy as I'm not really a perfectionist and time is more important for me. DVD2ONE I have to admit does have it's problems as I stated before but still a very good enough application. I hope there will be newer releases of DVD2ONE that addresses some of the image quality issues. If InstantCopy produces good enough quality at a decent rate, I may have to opt for this new tool.

I think most of us are agreeing that InstantCopy 7 as number 2 on the list which means you really can't go wrong with IC7. On top of that, $40 - $20 rebate. Too bad is OOS though...

PS. Let's all be honest the overwhelming majority of people in here probably does not own a legitimate copy of CCE. Some don't even know where they can buy it (only thru specialty software stores). So from now on, I won't pound on the issue that CCE is too expensive.

[JasonK]

This comment I made was in reponse to Vegeta_RVPPC, not you, I never mentioned the ability of TMPGEnc, I was referring to the compasions between dvd2one and CCE.

Exactly my point. And comments were made about the cost of CCE. And if cost is the issue, then TMPGenc provides the quality as much less cost, albeit more time for the software to encode, but you don't need to sit there and watch it.

My point you clearly missed was I don't have the ability to compare dvd2one, TMPGEnc and CCE purely on the basis on financies.

That's BS. You can use a trial version of CCE for testing. You will get a watermark. This doesn't cost anything. As far as I know, TMPGenc still has trial versions for mpeg2 encoding, although I can't be positive. There are probably freeware downloads of the old 1.x version that had unlimited mpeg2 out there, although it has some bugs. There's a CCE trial in any case, which you should have known with as much time as you spend here.

JasonK seems to be the Thread Basher patrol wandering around.

jxsim, it looks like you agee with me, but I'm not sure where that comment comes from. I've had limited time to post here at all recently, but try to educate members of this forum with the facts.

[thxkid]

you all forgot DVDxCOPY its better than any of them cause it makes a 1:1 exact copy and best of its only $79 at your local frys, keeps are your crap and no you don't have to always need to split it to 2 DVD's plus there are ways are around spliting the movie on DVD's bigger than 4.4 gigs, ever heard of combining a couple programs, everyone here thinks its one or the other, try to combine a couple to use, talk about one track minds here on these forums. They are all good products (excepy instant copy, just for the reason I have not tried it so I'll give it it a I don't know vote on it) but the rest work great for the needs I have and anything I have done on the 3 look great on my 36in.

[Vegeta_RVPPC]

To each is own, TMPGE is too damn slow, DVDxCopy isn't to damn bad, I just hate using 2 discs.

[JasonK]

"everyone here thinks its one or the other, "

No, not everyone. You should'nt paint everyone with the same brush. I've backed up DVDs quite a few different way... "one or the other" doesn't apply to my thinking at all. However, DVDxcopy requires 2 disks for most recent releases and puts the 321 logo on the recordings. And yes, I'm aware of the workarounds to remove it, but it's annoying, and I don't "usually" want to use 2 dvds to back up 1 of my dvds.

[JasonK]

"To each is own, TMPGE is too damn slow"

It's not that slow on my system, you can leave it encoding in the background or while you're away from the computer, and takes only seconds to setup.