InstantCopy 7 is available !!!

[MackemX]

http://pinnacle.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/pinnacle.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=OBUpfCC..

is that the oversize issue you are referring too above?

or is it the undersizing issue I am getting?

[Allanon]

MY HISTORY IN DVD....Instant copy is the only one program working in my dvd player...Dvdxcopy,dvd2one and sonic my dvd have failed...At the beginning i thinking is a media problem...My Atlantis land 2000e dvd player recognize the disk as dvd but running continuosly and the movie not start.I have tried with dvdxcopy,with dvd2one and sonic my dvd (with a movie created with tmpenc 2.59) the same result...I have tried with Instant copy 7 source hd, destination sony dru500a with the same media (a that's write dvd 2x), i have lowered the quality of extra with registry key and the result is great!The only difference is the write speed (medium for instant copy,but i don't say if "medium" is 1x or 2x-2x for the other).All work fine!!!the dvd created with dvdxcopy working bad with sony dvd player of my friends (the disk running continuosly and the menu start randomly but in very rare case...),but the same movie created with dvd2one (all with that's write 2x media) working fine...I think not exist the best program or media for create a compatible dvd,but everyone have to find the program the media and the system for his home dvd player...

[MackemX]

is that my previous post making this thread 3 foot wide?

[NightWing]

If you me me MackemX there was a link to a review in German in this thread around page 3 to 6 that if my old college German and Babbelfish were correct that they know of a under problem. But no word on when it will be corrected.

Some of the problem listed on ther help board have never seen.

[MackemX]

good news again on my 8 % theory as I've completed Disc 2 of Back To The Future

only 48MB shy of the 4489MB barrier when IC had finished with it as I used 7.5% instead of 8%, would have only been 27MB if I had used 8%

I'm gonna post more info in the link to the post above

I'm gonna try a different disc now

[q1aqza]

I'm a bit confused here then.... I thought the big thing about IC7 was this ability OVER DVD2one. The ability to keep certain titles or not keep them which you can't do in DVD2one. For example I want to keep say the MENU and both DTS and 5.1 so I can choose between them and DVD2one won't let you do this. IC7 lets you do this, but now you are saying that it may or may not work depending on the titleset I take out.

Or am I not getting something here which is quite possible. What I want to do is keep the MENU so I can keep both high end audio (DTS and 5.1) and choose between them when I want. I don't want all the other extra crap. So knowing what I want, what is the best process???

Lastly, you say you KEEP the extra titlesets, but lower the compression on them. I don't see a way to change the compression PER titleset. How do you do this in IC7?

Thanks so much
Alan

Play the DVD first in IFOEdit and play the main movie from the Title Menu for a couple of minutes. Exit out of DVD player mode and it will tell you the titlesets that it navigated in order to play just the main movie. If it justs says Title 1 (or whichever Titleset number the main movie is) then it is highly likely that you could remove all other titlesets without affecting Navigation.

If on the other hand the IFOEdit DVD player tells you that it also played something like Titleset 5 (which may be something like a logo or a Dolby Digital trailer) then for navigation your player will expect to see Titleset 5 before it plays the main movie, so you will need to keep Titlesets 1 and 5 and could remove the others. Similarly you can expand on this and check the titlesets for any other options you wish to keep, e.g. Chapter menus which have been known to occasionally use a separate titleset for the transition between menu and the scene selected.

[dc91gt]

having done a few more test with instant copy, I've come to this conclusion.

the quality is very good, however it's so damn slow that, for me at least,
is only worthwhile for DVDs that have mulitple episodes like the sopranos
or band of brothers, etc.

For everything else I'll stick to dvdone or my hand rolled CCE encodes.

-d

[q1aqza]

having done a few more test with instant copy, I've come to this conclusion.

the quality is very good, however it's so damn slow that, for me at least,
is only worthwhile for DVDs that have mulitple episodes like the sopranos
or band of brothers, etc.

For everything else I'll stick to dvdone or my hand rolled CCE encodes.

-d

So far with my limited testing I have to agree. I've only just started trying DVD2ONE (fully working V1.0) and Instant Copy Trial. To my eyes the difference in quality is so minimal that I couldn't tell the difference when I did a little experiment by getting my wife put in the copied discs with my back turned so I didn't know which was which. I actually chose correctly but hey I had a 50% chance of being right didn't I Or some people might think that subconsiously I spotted the difference :P

Also, so far I haven't had single problem with DVD2ONE whereas I couldn't get PIC to do Spartacus, it kept crashing on the analysis stage. Spartacus is just over 3 hours and DVD2ONE did it in 20 minutes which I think is bloody awesome.

However, I'm still keeping an open mind, and I will persevere with more testing of PIC as I do prefer to keep most of the DVD structure/extras and I like the way you can reduce the quality of them to give more to the main movie.

[vampirexxi]

since everyone else seems to be putting their view of ic7 and dvd2one on here, here's mine:

i like menues, i like the extras (except for trailers for other movies) and ic7 is the easiest way for me to go.

and a 7.x gig 2 layer disk, from start of rip to end of writing is only about 3.5 hours for me. since i have 3 computers, leaving one run to do this is nothing to me. that and i can get homework done.

[xschr04]

After running out of the trial period here are the bugs I found:

- navigational errors
On some DVD's Intant Copy messes the navigation. Mainly when you want to go back to the main menu the playback freezes on both set-top and pc player. It even happens when no titles were removed, just the whole DVD was copied and automatically resized. From my experiences it couldn't be even solved with post - IFOUpdate & IFOEdit editing of the new IC7 files befoire burning them. The navigation must by messed directly in the VOB navigational streams which you can not fix with IFOUpdate & IFOEdit.

- For some strange reason the newly PIC7 transoced DVD has got different main menu format. On the original disc the main menu was in 16:9, now it is 4:3 pan-scan which hides some text. This happened on Fellowship Of The Rings 4 DVD version when copying any of the discs. Even when I tried different options when copying the menu.

Had someone the same experiences?

[LeveL_42]

Like others, I have problems keeping subtitles. I've tried two movies so far and no-go.

I've examined one DVD-R with Subrip. On the main movie, the subtitles are indeed Dutch.
On the extra's however, they are German, while the language indicated is still Nederlands (that is Dutch)......

However, when playing back this disc with my stand-alone (Toshiba) DVD player I do not see any of the subtitles. Also on my PC with PowerDVD XP, no subtitles are shown. On both, the available lanuages subtitles ARE correctly shown (i.e. when I press the subtitle button I get the language indications), but when I select one, nothing appears on screen....

[MackemX]

you probably need to remap the subtitles as you do with the audio when u strip them out
how you do it I don't know, but I know howto remap audio so I wonder if subs will be as easy to remap

ignore me if this isnt the problem

[LeveL_42]

you probably need to remap the subtitles as you do with the audio when u strip them out
how you do it I don't know, but I know howto remap audio so I wonder if subs will be as easy to remap

ignore me if this isnt the problem

Well I didn't do any re-mapping of audio and I don't have any problems with the audio. I did throw away some of the soundtracks (no need for German or French for me).

Do you mean that this could be a result of the "registry hack" ?
So if I use it without the hack it would be OK ? Worth a try, let me change is back and give it a go...

I'll let you know...

[MackemX]

you probably need to remap the subtitles as you do with the audio when u strip them out
how you do it I don't know, but I know howto remap audio so I wonder if subs will be as easy to remap

ignore me if this isnt the problem

Well I didn't do any re-mapping of audio and I don't have any problems with the audio. I did throw away some of the soundtracks (no need for German or French for me).

Do you mean that this could be a result of the "registry hack" ?
So if I use it without the hack it would be OK ? Worth a try, let me change is back and give it a go...

I'll let you know...

this isnt a result of the hack, IC doesnt seem to remap the audio & subs back to the correct numbered stream, it just delets them and makes a new order

so outta say 6 audio you strip 2,4 then the following happens to the streams

1=1
2=3
3=5
4=6
5=doesnt exist
6=doesnt exist

I stripped tracks 2&3 from 4 audio streams with Simpsons and then track 4 became track 2, so when I selected track 4 in the audio menu the audio played was defaulted to play track 1 as there is no track4, so I change the mapping of track 2 within ifoedit to play track 2 when track 4 was selected

I assume the subs may have the same effect, can anyone confirm this?

[leebo]

Using the full version with the hack, I haven't had any problems copying three discs.

The only change I've made is to strip out the French on all three discs.

[Timoleon]

I still have the SID error when the program checks the video at the beginning. Is this a bug? Ripping w/DVD Decrypter in ISO mode, then mounting w/Daemon tools does not seem to help either...

[puddy]

I still have the SID error when the program checks the video at the beginning. Is this a bug? Ripping w/DVD Decrypter in ISO mode, then mounting w/Daemon tools does not seem to help either...

This was solved in another thread. Set your desktop resolution to
32bit and it will work fine.

puddy

[senojscott]

I got a email today from Computers4Sure stating they shipped my order for IC7...? Anybody else or anybody hear anything?

[Bud]

I ordered from J&R Music World on 16 Feb 03, order was shipped on 20 Feb 03 and I received it on 24 Feb 03, I work overseas so for me that was great service. Instant COpy 7 works great. www.JandR.com

Bud

[ProfessorX]

Does anyone know if Instant Copy is capable of doing batch jobs? I would love to find a way to process a ripped DVD and then have it automatically start processing another without any intervention.

[LeveL_42]

you probably need to remap the subtitles as you do with the audio when u strip them out
how you do it I don't know, but I know howto remap audio so I wonder if subs will be as easy to remap

ignore me if this isnt the problem

Well I didn't do any re-mapping of audio and I don't have any problems with the audio. I did throw away some of the soundtracks (no need for German or French for me).

Do you mean that this could be a result of the "registry hack" ?
So if I use it without the hack it would be OK ? Worth a try, let me change is back and give it a go...

I'll let you know...

this isnt a result of the hack, IC doesnt seem to remap the audio & subs back to the correct numbered stream, it just delets them and makes a new order

so outta say 6 audio you strip 2,4 then the following happens to the streams

1=1
2=3
3=5
4=6
5=doesnt exist
6=doesnt exist

I stripped tracks 2&3 from 4 audio streams with Simpsons and then track 4 became track 2, so when I selected track 4 in the audio menu the audio played was defaulted to play track 1 as there is no track4, so I change the mapping of track 2 within ifoedit to play track 2 when track 4 was selected

I assume the subs may have the same effect, can anyone confirm this?

OK I got a response from toolman2k and he indicated that this is a problem within IC7. As soon as you delete one subtitle language, it makes a mess of all the ID's and your lost. Workaround for now is to KEEP ALL SUBTITLES.

I've tested it and it works ! Luckely subtitles don't take up too much space, but on the disc I tried there were about 20 or so languages so it is still a waiste of space, space you could better use for some extra quality.
We'll have to wait for Pinnacle (or should we say VOB) to repair this.

I wonder if it would also work if you keep all subtitles UPTO and INCLUDING the one you want and deleting the others.
I will give this a test, but looking at what Toolman2k says, it won't work either.

Another possible work-around might be using IfoEdit on the finished files ?
I have tried some things with IfoEdit before but not this, no idea how to do this.....I'm not a real expert, that's why I like IC7 so much !

[toolman2k]

I wonder if it would also work if you keep all subtitles UPTO and INCLUDING the one you want and deleting the others.
I will give this a test, but looking at what Toolman2k says, it won't work either.

i might have been unclear, it also works when u select all up until the sub you want.....it then just deletes the ones beloew it, but the mapping stays correct.

Another possible work-around might be using IfoEdit on the finished files ?
I have tried some things with IfoEdit before but not this, no idea how to do this.....I'm not a real expert, that's why I like IC7 so much !

sure u can try that, however i refuse to do so, instantcopy is not user firendly when u still have to fiddle around with other tools like ifoedit.if i want to do it the hard way, i wont use IC at all and stick to traditional methods.

[LeveL_42]

I wonder if it would also work if you keep all subtitles UPTO and INCLUDING the one you want and deleting the others.
I will give this a test, but looking at what Toolman2k says, it won't work either.

i might have been unclear, it also works when u select all up until the sub you want.....it then just deletes the ones beloew it, but the mapping stays correct.

Another possible work-around might be using IfoEdit on the finished files ?
I have tried some things with IfoEdit before but not this, no idea how to do this.....I'm not a real expert, that's why I like IC7 so much !

sure u can try that, however i refuse to do so, instantcopy is not user firendly when u still have to fiddle around with other tools like ifoedit.if i want to do it the hard way, i wont use IC at all and stick to traditional methods.

I agree, it's the ease of use combined with the stability and great quality that makes IC7 a great tool already. Up till very recently we had to fiddle with all these hard to use tools and therefore I actualy never bothered to make copies of DVD-9 discs.....but this has now changed
I'm sure this will be fixed in an update, shouldn't be too difficult to do I guess (Just renumbering the ID's I think....but again, I'm not an expert )

[MackemX]

i might have been unclear, it also works when u select all up until the sub you want.....it then just deletes the ones beloew it, but the mapping stays correct.

never thought of that, thanks

sure u can try that, however i refuse to do so, instantcopy is not user firendly when u still have to fiddle around with other tools like ifoedit.if i want to do it the hard way, i wont use IC at all and stick to traditional methods.

for those comfortable using Ifoedit, I strongly suggest you use Ifoedit BEFORE you give the files to IC
Do everything you would do the original way regarding stripping and rebuilding apsrt from the resencoding bit
then just stick it into IC and it gives excellent results
agreed IC is not user friendly when it comes to the stripping part but for the sake of 10-20mins prep with Ifoedit, it saves you a lot more work trying to retain the original DVD structure the 'TRADITIONAL' way (especially toughies)

when will people realise IC is NOT the complete ONE BUTTON PRESS product as of yet and is marketed as a 1:1 compression tool (probably never will be OBP and there will probably never be any other tool that works everytime either, due to the complex nature of some DVD structures), but is one helluva tool when it comes to fitting more than 4.37Gb onto a blank DVD

but use this tool after using ifoedit correctly (not just pressing delete playback!, but using MENU/VOB extras button) to strip the files and it is the best tool you can have to compress a DVD over 4.37Gb and maintain the original DVD structure!

as for audio and subs remapping, a few clicks in ifoedit sorts this problem out as all you do is create 'phantom' streams for the ones AFTER using IC and remap them

The only problem that I can say about IC is the missing 300MB but this can be accounted for by oversizing then pressing F5 to bypass the 4.32Gb limit

and if you are either still too small or too big then have a read of my suggestions here

www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/2big.htm

I feel people who refuse to use IC due to it's lack of ONE BUTTON PRESS, mustn't agree that it saves a lot of legwork when it comes to wanting to keep menu's & extras and probably dont use it to it's full potential alongside Ifoedit

your loss I say

[Timoleon]

I still have the SID error when the program checks the video at the beginning. Is this a bug? Ripping w/DVD Decrypter in ISO mode, then mounting w/Daemon tools does not seem to help either...

This was solved in another thread. Set your desktop resolution to
32bit and it will work fine.

puddy

Thanks, Puddy --- I was running my 17" LCD at 1280x1024 w/16bit colors. I changed it to 1024x768 w/32bit colors, and everything worked like a charm! Just finished "The Four Feathers", and everything, including the damned previews (purchased a "used" CD ) came out absolutely perfect. The quality is very high. Took about 4 hours --- converted the pdi files on the hard disk over to an iso and burned with Nero. Kudos to Pinnacle!!

[ret369]

Timoleon
why convert pdi to iso why don't you just burn with ic7??

[mrbass]

Timoleon
why convert pdi to iso why don't you just burn with ic7??

no need to...only if you wish to preview the quality of the transcoded video BEFORE you burn...other than that no other reason. PDITOOL is good for extract all files from a .pdi file set so you can do same thing and burn with your choice of dvd burner software, ifoedit touch it, etc.

[MackemX]

Timoleon
why convert pdi to iso why don't you just burn with ic7??

to test that IC has kept DVD structure and navigation is ok could be another reason

A good update for IC would be to include a DVD playback testing option before burning and maybe this is possible if they added to the preview function, something a bit like ULEAD DVD WORKSHOP's button preview function or give the extra option of producing either a normal ISO image or a VIDEO_TS folder

[jayman2]

I've used InstantCopy to make 3 VCDs so far. With each one of them, the video and audio go out sync after about 20 minutes of playing. Has anyone else found this problem? I have no such problems with making DVDs.

[Timoleon]

Timoleon
why convert pdi to iso why don't you just burn with ic7??

Good question
I felt pretty confident that an iso burnt with the latest Nero would be OK, so I wanted to verify that IC7 had transcoded the whole thing properly. I was a little hesitant to use IC7 itself for the burning until I felt that it had done all the other stuff right.

Tonight, though, I'm going to give "City By The Sea" a try, and I'll set up IC7 for the burn as well. ...let you know how it goes.

By the way, the pdi utility programs that have popped up in the last week or two seem very nice!