InstantCopy 7 is available !!!

[IvIark]

Since when the AUDIO_TS folder is needed to make a full compiliant DVD?? I have tons of DVDs (real ones not backup) that don't have that folder and played them on a lot of DVD players without any trouble at all.

Erm, since now! A fully compliant DVD must includes an AUDIO_TS folder and some players require it. I have a number of DVDs that don't have an AUDIO_TS folder and one of my friends players won't play them.

We're talking about making the disks as compliant as possible here so that they will work for every eventuality so it makes sense to me to include it for an extra 15 seconds work.

From Sonic Software support:

AUDIO_TS

This folder is reserved for the upcoming DVD-Audio specification and is not used currently. This folder should always be empty but is required to be there for a valid DVDVolume.

All audio, video, subpicture and navigational data are stored in the Video_ts folder per the DVD Video specification.

Same line from Pioneer support pages and they have a pretty good standing in the DVD Forum.

[aaron10]

Hymes,

I'm jumping in here midstream and am not quite sure what has transipred to date. Is the raw material playing on you computer in one of your PC's dedicated players? That is, put all the files in a VIDEO_TS folder and click the VIDEO_TS.IFO file in the folder, launching your PC's DVD player (e.g., WinDVD or P*DVD) and playing the movie, which will let us know wherther the raw files are okay navigation-wise?

Once you burn to disc and insert it in your PC, does it fire up your PC's dedicated DVD player. This will tell us whether the disc has a problem or whether the burn had a problem. If not, then it becomes a compliancy issue with your standalone. Now, if you've used the same authoring software as in the past (without updates), then I'm at a loss for the moment. But these are my considerations as I do a quick run through..

[ProfessorX]

I've been using Instant Copy 7 for a couple of days now and I think it's awesome. I've used DVD2ONE which I also think is a great application but the fact that you can backup a DVD and keep all menu features intact is great. I used it on a DVD-9 that was over 8GB and the DVD backup looked flawless even though it was compressed onto a 4.7GB DVD+R. (it was burned to a Memorex DVD+R disc with a Sony DRU-500a). Another good thing about PIC is that you only need 2 programs; a DVD decoder (such as DVD Decrypter or Smartripper) and PIC - that's it. PIC will help you remove any unnecessary language and subtitle tracks and it will also reduce the size of VOB files that aren't part of the main movie. The fact that it burns the final DVD for you is also a plus. Pinnacle has really scored with this program.

[hymes]

Hymes,

I'm jumping in here midstream and am not quite sure what has transipred to date. Is the raw material playing on you computer in one of your PC's dedicated players? That is, put all the files in a VIDEO_TS folder and click the VIDEO_TS.IFO file in the folder, launching your PC's DVD player (e.g., WinDVD or P*DVD) and playing the movie, which will let us know wherther the raw files are okay navigation-wise?

Once you burn to disc and insert it in your PC, does it fire up your PC's dedicated DVD player. This will tell us whether the disc has a problem or whether the burn had a problem. If not, then it becomes a compliancy issue with your standalone. Now, if you've used the same authoring software as in the past (without updates), then I'm at a loss for the moment. But these are my considerations as I do a quick run through..

YES, the dvd that acts as described and won't play in the DVD player(s) WILL play in my computer using PowerDVD. Any yes, I have been using the same RecordNOW max software the whole time. The ONLY difference this time is using InstantCopy versus DVD2one. I do NOT think it is the RecordNOW having a problem. In fact if you notice I have mentioned that even RecordNOW complains about the "format" but I can turn this error check off and continue. So something is happening at the InstantCopy phase.... again, using the same DVD Decrypter and RecordMax for the front and back end.

Any suggestions?

[JDaCunha]

What is the deal here? InstantCopy does not do DVD to DVD back!!!!!!!!!!

[mrbass]

Ok this was NEVER a bug..but a bug in people like me recommending to rip in File Mode. Rip in ISO mode in dvddecrypter and be sure to check AUDIO_TS folder and voila you have a fully compliant DVD.

Since when the AUDIO_TS folder is needed to make a full compiliant DVD?? I have tons of DVDs (real ones not backup) that don't have that folder and played them on a lot of DVD players without any trouble at all.

Erm, since now! A fully compliant DVD must includes an AUDIO_TS folder and some players require it. I have a number of DVDs that don't have an AUDIO_TS folder and one of my friends players won't play them.

We're talking about making the disks as compliant as possible here so that they will work for every eventuality so it makes sense to me to include it for an extra 15 seconds work.

From Sonic Software support:

AUDIO_TS

This folder is reserved for the upcoming DVD-Audio specification and is not used currently. This folder should always be empty but is required to be there for a valid DVDVolume.

All audio, video, subpicture and navigational data are stored in the Video_ts folder per the DVD Video specification.

Same line from Pioneer support pages and they have a pretty good standing in the DVD Forum.

[Tilandra]

What is the deal here? InstantCopy does not do DVD to DVD back!!!!!!!!!!

Umm... what are you on about?

If you're saying InstantCopy doesn't do DVD to DVD-R backups, that's incorrect. It does them beautifully with menus intact. However, an encrypted DVD must first be unencrypted before IC can process it.

[nickel]

Why won't Instant Copy obey my file output size selection?

I'm working on K-19 as my test disc during my trial period. I've used IC on it three times.
First time, I de-selected all extras, dropped subs and audio (kept 5.1 and commentary). Reduced menus to minimum (30%) and amped the movie's quality up so that the size slider was at 4.67 GB and hit F5 to enable the OK button. Results: Instead of getting a final output of around 4,581,000KB, I got more like 4,150,000KB. So IC didn't pay attention to my setting.

Second try was to just do the whole DVD (as if I didn't have the reg hack) to see how it "should" work. I dropped the same subs and audio as before, but kept all title sets. Reduced quality of all extras to 30% and amped the movie up so that slider was at 4.67 GB. Results: Got the entire DVD at about 4,581,000KB as one would expect. Good... but I don't really want all the extras.

Then I thought maybe I needed to keep at least one extra for IC to be happy. So I kept only the trailer in addition to the movie (same settings for subs and audio as before). Put the slider at 4.67 GB. Again, the DVD came up short... only about 4,200,000KB instead of about 4,581,000KB.

Tonight I will try setting the slider up at 5 GB to see if the final output is closer to the real 4.7 GB target. I don't mind doing all this right now because I'm testing this thing out. But in the real world, if I buy this program, I don't want to have to make 3 or 4 test discs before I get a full output size every time.

What's up with that?

[scooby69]

I've just got the full version & i've done 4 dvds up to now. Oceans 11, not another teen movie,panic room, birthday girl. All look sweet and play even without the AUDIO_TS folder, but i'm playing around now to try and get the AUDIO_TS folder on Can say it's the best proggie i've used. All trailers and other crap down and the main title up as far as poss. Had a couple of mishaps where i took off the wrong sound and left DTS so i had none lolol, but deffo getting there.

Thumbs up to Pinnacle

[dc91gt]

in playing with instant copy last night, I'd have to say it's pass.

I couldn't find anyway to remove the junk - and just leave the pgc
and menu. I certainly wouldn't want to sacrifice the actual movie quality
so the extra junk can be squeezed on a dvd-r.

If it had the ability to select just the movie, one audio track and the menu it'd be worthwhile.

DvdOne is still faster.

-d

[SanderMan]

If it had the ability to select just the movie, one audio track and the menu it'd be worthwhile.

You can do this with Instantcopy. Just read the guide at https://www.videohelp.com/forum/userguides/141024.php

[dc91gt]

If it had the ability to select just the movie, one audio track and the menu it'd be worthwhile.

You can do this with Instantcopy. Just read the guide at https://www.videohelp.com/forum/userguides/141024.php

well thats what you get for not reading the instructions, lol.

in that case i change my vote to thumbs up.

-d

[joepic]

I couldn't find anyway to remove the junk - and just leave the pgc
and menu. I certainly wouldn't want to sacrifice the actual movie quality
so the extra junk can be squeezed on a dvd-r.

If it had the ability to select just the movie, one audio track and the menu it'd be worthwhile.

This is the GUIDE you need to use for IC7:
http://www.mrbass.org/instantcopy/

I also recommend getting the following support proggies:

1. Convert .PDI file to .ISO file - PDI2ISO_011.zip
2. Extract .PDI file to VIDEO_TS folder - PDIXTRACT.ZIP with GUI PDIGUI.ZIP

[jayman2]

Is InstantCopy 7 available yet in the USA and if so, where can I order it?

Thanks in advance.

[jopereira]

About my last post concerning VOBSRC.AX: I found the "problem".

If you install InstantCopy in a NTFS drive and try to produce the PDI image in a FAT32 you should have the same error I had...
Once I tried to create the image in another NTFS drive, everything worked like a charm.

Again, bad coding... These kind of bug shouldn't exist in a software from a house like Pinnacle!

But still is a great piece of software...

[vampirexxi]

i have the 7.0.0.80 version, not the 7.0.0.91 version. does anybody know where i can find an update? i've been searching pinnacle's site, but there doesn't seem to be one, yet in their question and answer section, a lot of their answers say to install the update. yet they don't have a link to it or anything.

i'm not asking for the program, i already have it. i haven't seen any errors on it yet, but i want to mess around w/ the movies only patch so i can leave out all the adds and stuff.

is there one on the german site by chance?

[hymes]

Hello, for those of you have been following or trying to help me resolve my InstantCopy problem I appreciate all your help.

I was finally able to get an InstantCopy DVD to work

Again, I used DVD Decoder for the RIP, the InstantCopy to do it's think (still magic to me) and go DIRECTLY to DVD. Well up until now the DVD wouldn't work in my players only in the computer DVD player. But I know that the MEDIA is OK and that they will play in my players as I have used DVD2one recently and it works. Back to the InstantCopy.....

I had been removing all the extra stuff, leaving the menu and BOTH audios to choose from. WELL what I did this last time is leave more TITLES and it worked!!! So I'm assuming that there are some titles in addition to the MAIN TITLE that you must leave for the navigation to work properly??? I cut out the directors crap, etc but instead of JUST leaving the main title, I left another one that had a few little things in it such as the copywrite notice, etc. and then it worked!!!

So can someone explain this?
Thanks again for all your help and feed back(s)
Alan

[IvIark]

had been removing all the extra stuff, leaving the menu and BOTH audios to choose from. WELL what I did this last time is leave more TITLES and it worked!!! So I'm assuming that there are some titles in addition to the MAIN TITLE that you must leave for the navigation to work properly??? I cut out the directors crap, etc but instead of JUST leaving the main title, I left another one that had a few little things in it such as the copywrite notice, etc. and then it worked!!!

Aha! There are definite navigations issues with IC7. I tried to cut out the initial copyright notices and initial unwanted clips from Blackadder and it seemed to work ok. When I tried it in my player though the audio was out of sync by the length of one of the clips I omitted!

It seems to be a problem if you try to take out a clip that it uses either when the disk is first inserted or before the main movie. I now leave all these clips in (at lower quality) and just remove special features that you have to specifically choose from the menu and then I don't have any problems.

Certainly these navigation errors can be removed with IFO edit if you don't mind the time it will take to work out what's what. Just use the same process that is a user guide on here somewhere for removing the "Backup Copy" notice put onto disks by DVDXCopy.

[NYPlayer]

hymes,

InstantCopy was not meant to remove titlesets. It allows you to remove audio tracks. If you are using the registry hack, then removing titles is sort of like playing russian roulette sometimes it will work sometimes it won't. You should just lower the compression of the titlsets and not remove them, unless you like wasting 2-3 hours of encoding.

[Antonio S.]

@NYPlayer:

InstantCopy was not meant to remove titlesets. It allows you to remove audio tracks. If you are using the registry hack, then removing titles is sort of like playing russian roulette sometimes it will work sometimes it won't. You should just lower the compression of the titlsets and not remove them, unless you like wasting 2-3 hours of encoding.

I totally agree with you!!!
I called technical department of Pinnacle System and had a conversation about InstantCopy, and they told me that this feature was dissable on purpose, because of incompatibilty problem with standalong players. They are working in this problem (and others bugs) and in a future release this option may be available...

Antonio S.

[hymes]

hymes,

InstantCopy was not meant to remove titlesets. It allows you to remove audio tracks. If you are using the registry hack, then removing titles is sort of like playing russian roulette sometimes it will work sometimes it won't. You should just lower the compression of the titlsets and not remove them, unless you like wasting 2-3 hours of encoding.

I'm a bit confused here then.... I thought the big thing about IC7 was this ability OVER DVD2one. The ability to keep certain titles or not keep them which you can't do in DVD2one. For example I want to keep say the MENU and both DTS and 5.1 so I can choose between them and DVD2one won't let you do this. IC7 lets you do this, but now you are saying that it may or may not work depending on the titleset I take out.

Or am I not getting something here which is quite possible. What I want to do is keep the MENU so I can keep both high end audio (DTS and 5.1) and choose between them when I want. I don't want all the other extra crap. So knowing what I want, what is the best process???

Lastly, you say you KEEP the extra titlesets, but lower the compression on them. I don't see a way to change the compression PER titleset. How do you do this in IC7?

Thanks so much
Alan

[puddy]

Ok this was NEVER a bug..but a bug in people like me recommending to rip in File Mode. Rip in ISO mode in dvddecrypter and be sure to check AUDIO_TS folder and voila you have a fully compliant DVD.

Did I miss where you explained what was so wrong about ripping in file mode? What can go wrong? What I mean is, what issues are solved by ripping in ISO mode instead of File mode?

Thanks for you help.

puddy

[hymes]

hymes,

InstantCopy was not meant to remove titlesets. It allows you to remove audio tracks. If you are using the registry hack, then removing titles is sort of like playing russian roulette sometimes it will work sometimes it won't. You should just lower the compression of the titlsets and not remove them, unless you like wasting 2-3 hours of encoding.

I'm a bit confused here then.... I thought the big thing about IC7 was this ability OVER DVD2one. The ability to keep certain titles or not keep them which you can't do in DVD2one. For example I want to keep say the MENU and both DTS and 5.1 so I can choose between them and DVD2one won't let you do this. IC7 lets you do this, but now you are saying that it may or may not work depending on the titleset I take out.

Or am I not getting something here which is quite possible. What I want to do is keep the MENU so I can keep both high end audio (DTS and 5.1) and choose between them when I want. I don't want all the other extra crap. So knowing what I want, what is the best process???

Lastly, you say you KEEP the extra titlesets, but lower the compression on them. I don't see a way to change the compression PER titleset. How do you do this in IC7?

Thanks so much
Alan

Oh, and as a followup to these questions, on DVD2one.....

What is the benefit of selecting MORE THAN ONE AUDIO?? If for example in DVD2one you select DTS and ACS5.1 what does this buy you? You need the menu to select the audio on the DVD, but DVD2one doesn't let you keep the menu, so how can you select? Why does it let you select more than one audio?

[mrbass]

Rip in .iso if you ever wanna see an AUDIO_TS folder. No need to say IC isn't DVD compliant.
http://www.mrbass.org/instantcopy/16audio_ts.png

[vampirexxi]

I too don't understand the whole rip in iso to make a compliant dvd. then you have to use daemon tools.

i do understand that to make a full 100% compliant dvd, you need an empty audio_ts folder. my dvd player is a cheap old shinsonic dvd-100 and it plays them fine w/o, but that's not the point.

go ahead and use dvd decryptor and rip in file mode, and rip all the files into a folder.

1. run ic7 and select to write to the hd.
2. convert to iso (takes like 10 min)
3. use isobuster (free) to extract iso to VIDEO_TS folder
4. if you use Gear Pro, you need just burn, it puts in the audio_ts folder
5. if you use nero, you have to make an AUDIO_TS folder.

this way you don't have to install daemon tools and run a virtual dvd drive.

you only need to rip in iso mode if you use daemon tools.

[DeepX]

Can anyone please tell me, if you need the audio-ts folder only with old players or also with new players?

Greetz Arno

[MackemX]

I too don't understand the whole rip in iso to make a compliant dvd. then you have to use daemon tools.

i do understand that to make a full 100% compliant dvd, you need an empty audio_ts folder. my dvd player is a cheap old shinsonic dvd-100 and it plays them fine w/o, but that's not the point.

go ahead and use dvd decryptor and rip in file mode, and rip all the files into a folder.

1. run ic7 and select to write to the hd.
2. convert to iso (takes like 10 min)
3. use isobuster (free) to extract iso to VIDEO_TS folder
4. if you use Gear Pro, you need just burn, it puts in the audio_ts folder
5. if you use nero, you have to make an AUDIO_TS folder.

this way you don't have to install daemon tools and run a virtual dvd drive.

you only need to rip in iso mode if you use daemon tools.

just a little mod to that list if you don't mind vampirexxi

1. run ic7 and select to write to the hd.
2. use pdixtract to extract PDI to VIDEO_TS folder
3. put in the audio_ts folder
4. use any software to burn

p.s. the later versions of Nero you can miss out step 3. as you just drop the files into the VIDEO_TS folder it creates when you use DVD-VIDEO mode (I know some people have an issue with this but it's worked ok for me everytime with over 50+ DVD's and other players), don;t use the wizard tho do it manually and tick ISO level 1 & ISO 9660 and untick Joilet mode in the ISO tab and everything should be fine

[nickel]

hymes,
Regarding your question about the benefit of more than one audio...

Let's say you keep DD5.1 and a director's commentary. You don't get a menu in DVD2ONE... so you just use the AUDIO button on your remote control while watching the movie to switch between audio tracks. Menu is not necessary for this.



ANYBODY know anything about InstantCopy resizing the movie smaller even though the slider is forced to 4.67 GB with the F5 key? This keeps happening to me.

[MackemX]

ANYBODY know anything about InstantCopy resizing the movie smaller even though the slider is forced to 4.67 GB with the F5 key? This keeps happening to me.

I've put a detailed post up below about the filesize issue and how it seems to be affected

I'm still in the testing stage but I reckon I've just about got it

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=461488#461488

[NightWing]

Far back in this thread, the German review I think, stated Pinnacel Sys had a problem with size and are looking at it. Thinks is on the last few line of the review.

Also here is the link to Pinnacle on line help { Europe section }. Click on "Please click here" and on the next page click on "InstantCopy" in the lower second column. There ar about 21 issues listed.

http://www.pinnaclesys.com/docsupport1.asp?division_id=1&langue_id=2&product_id=1153&p...py&page_id=74#

This may be a direct way to get there. Will need to still click on "Instantcopy" to open up the list.

http://www.pinnaclesys.com/wwwsupport/InteractiveSupport_le/uk/frameset.htm